[TNGO]

Where is carry prohibited in these states? I'm assuming government property is forbidden, but where else?

[misANTHrope]

Don't know all the places offhand, but I'd check over at www.packing.org for a good list.

[countertop]

In Virginia, you'd be assuming wrong. You can carry on state government property - but not in courthouses, federal buildings, post offices, schools. You can't carry concealed in a restaurant that also serves alcohol but you can carry openly there. Also, if a location is posted as no carry, then you can't carry there (but if your carrying concealed, no one will know - and if you dont see the sign it doesn't apply to you and the worst that can happen is they someone sees your gun and security ask you to take your weapon off the property - which, of course will never happen if the gun is concealed (see where I am going . . . . ))

Check out packing. There are a few other estrictions, but that generally covers it.

[Bubbles]

You assume wrong, at least in VA. Concealed carry is ok in many public/gov't buildings such as libraries, recreation centers, parks, and municipal centers (where city/county legiscritters meet, General Assembly building, etc.). As of July 1 it will also be legal in public school parking lots.

It's not ok in restaurants that serve alcohol (open carry is legal, go figure), churches (while services are in session), courthouses, and jails.

[DMK]

Not sure about VA, but in NC it's: Any places that serve alcohol(including restaurants), schools, banks, federal or state govt. buildings, law enforcment offices, parades and any places that charge admission(probably intended for sporting events, but could mean movie theaters as well due to the way it's worded).

Churches are OK for CCW in NC.

Here's a link to the applicable NC Criminal Code:

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/ByArticle/Chapter_14/Article_35.html

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/ByArticle/Chapter_14/Article_54B.html

[JohnBT]

"In Virginia, you'd be assuming wrong. You can carry on state government property"

Unless of course you're a state employee with a permit and it's during working hours. Nasty old personnel regs. :(

John

[Zach S]

One thing DMK forgot to mention (although may be mentioned in the link) is any place that has the dreaded sign up. Every Arby's I've seen and both of the malls here in Asheville are the only things that come to mind.

[VARifleman]

It's legal in churches in VA IF you can provide sufficeint reason why you need to, or (of course) don't get caught.

[Shootcraps]

And there's nothing about jails in the VA law.

Church
School (not state colleges)
Courthouse
Any establishment that has an ABC license for on premises consumption (not just restaurants).


The other places like federal property and post offices are covered by federal law.

[Poodleshooter]

School (not state colleges)
Carry is allowed on all colleges and universities except Virginia Commonwealth University, where carry is prohibited. Arguably, that's probably the school near which you MOST need to carry.

[uvakat]

That is not entirely true. Most VA colleges and universities have rules against carrying. UVA does not allow it's students or employees to carry unless they are specially cleared by UPD. As a visiter there is probably not much they can do to you, but as a student carrying is a big no no.

[fletcher]

So in NC, if you have the restaraunt owner's (manager's?) permission, you can CCW?


§ 14‑269.3. Carrying weapons into assemblies and establishments where alcoholic beverages are sold and consumed.

(a) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry any gun, rifle, or pistol into any assembly where a fee has been charged for admission thereto, or into any establishment in which alcoholic beverages are sold and consumed. Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

(b) This section shall not apply to the following:

(1) A person exempted from the provisions of G.S. 14‑269;

(2) The owner or lessee of the premises or business establishment;

(3) A person participating in the event, if he is carrying a gun, rifle, or pistol with the permission of the owner, lessee, or person or organization sponsoring the event; and

(4) A person registered or hired as a security guard by the owner, lessee, or person or organization sponsoring the event. (1977, c. 1016, s. 1; 1981, c. 412, s. 4, c. 747, s. 66; 1993, c. 539, s. 165; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c).)

[countertop]

That is not entirely true. Most VA colleges and universities have rules against carrying. UVA does not allow it's students or employees to carry unless they are specially cleared by UPD. As a visiter there is probably not much they can do to you, but as a student carrying is a big no no.

How can that be - seems to me that in light of the premption bill that was just passed, as state entities they would need some special legislation to allow them to impose restrictions more stringent than the general state law on carrying.

Just wondering how they justify this . . . . I know its beena big fight out in Utah, perhaps its just an issue that hasn't been fully litigated in virginia yet.

[JohnBT]

"that's probably the school near which you MOST need to carry"

Actually, you're probably safer walking around VCU than UVA. I'm not comparing Richmond and C-ville, just the campus areas.

John

[uvakat]

Sadly JohnBT you are probably right. I mean with our own serial rapist and the amount of armed robberies of students lately, Richmond might even be safer. Countertop, the universities can pretty much do what they want. If you are not a student or an employee then they may just ask you to leave if they find out. Unfortunately, here at Mr. Jefferson's University, even if one of your actions are legal in the state of Virginia, you can get brought up on charges on Judicial or Honor committes. These committies are student run (most likely not by pro-gun students) who can have a range of options including expulsion. UVA's justification probably comes from these committies. Even if you get caught and University Police cannot do anything since you have a legal carry permit, judicial committe can still expel you. I guess that's the reason most of us refuse to carry on campus. I think that a student at JMU is starting to fight for carry there, but so far I haven't heard anything here... (sorry if this doesn't make much sense... it's after midnight and I've been studying for too long)

[countertop]

I think the JMU example is what I ment by the issue not being fully litigated yet

[Catuela]

Good info here guys. Also if you work at place that serves alchohol you can carry in the place you work(if I read it correctly)

Another good place to talk to to Virginians that know a good a deal on the subject can be found at www.vagunowners.com

-Will

[spartacus2002]

Unfortunately, here at Mr. Jefferson's University, even if one of your actions are legal in the state of Virginia, you can get brought up on charges on Judicial or Honor committes. These committies are student run (most likely not by pro-gun students) who can have a range of options including expulsion. UVA's justification probably comes from these committies. Even if you get caught and University Police cannot do anything since you have a legal carry permit, judicial committe can still expel you.

How in the &*#$ are these "student" committees allowed to expel a student who is complying with VA law? I'd tell them to go pound sand.

[The Undertoad]

Spartacus - same thing here at William and Mary (Mr. Jefferson's alma mater... ;) )

Welcome aboard uvakat...

[Poodleshooter]

That is not entirely true. Most VA colleges and universities have rules against carrying. UVA does not allow it's students or employees to carry unless they are specially cleared by UPD. As a visiter there is probably not much they can do to you, but as a student carrying is a big no no.
Hi UVAkat,
Welcome to THR from another Cville local. I work in town. I'm assuming you're a member at RRPC?
As you mentioned, I'm not a student, so UVA and other state colleges and universities except for VCU can't do a darn thing to throw me off of their property for carrying. :D My clarification was for shootcraps post about colleges in VA.
VCU has a specific section in VA administrative code, prohibiting carry by anyone on it's campus. It's 8VAC90-10-50 (Virginia Administrative Code, same as the old state parks provision which was shot down). It's not in Virginia Code,but it makes little difference as it still carries force of law. Violation is prosecuted via the trespass charge.

[spartacus2002]

I'm a William and Mary grad, so I understand all about how UVA is Thomas Jefferson's (failed) attempt to recreate the glory of his alma mater :neener:

[uvakat]

spartacus... it's called you sign your life and 2nd amendment rights away to get a prized jeffersonian education... and I'm going to ignore the W&M comment :rolleyes:
undertod... thanks for the welcome... much appreciated. Are you still a student at W&M?
poodleshooter... thanks for the welcome... thankfully I'm graduating in May and hopefully will move to a more gun friendly part of the state

[JohnBT]

I was going to attend UVA, but I decided that I couldn't drink enough to fit in.

John
VA Tech Class of '72

P.S. - C-ville was such a nice little town in the '50s and early '60s. I remember my dad, uncle and grandfather buying guns at the hardware store...the one on the mall that's now the Hardware Store Restaurant. My mom buying pieces of Johnson Bros. Blue Willow china there. It was packed in barrels of sawdust. I remember when the train station was a train station and not a office building at the end of the mall. Oh well, life goes on.

I don't think I would have had any fun at UVA with my relatives riding herd on me.

John

[The Undertoad]

uvakat - yep, I'm a senior too. Can't wait to get out! :D

[Poodleshooter]

JohnBT-It still is a nice town....to work in :D
It's alright if you pack heat,and don't read the local alternative periodicals too much and get your blood boiling.
The Hardware Store is an ok restaurant now. The old pharmacy with it's soda counter in the back is still kicking along down on the mall. The Paramount is running again.
Then again, back then you had CWP, not CHP's and they were discretionary issue only. Some things are better now.

[uvakat]

it really is a nice town... just don't hang around UVA students too much... I swear the reaction I get when I wear my .22 earings around.. lol they look at me like I'm from another less progressive universe. I swear it's a beautiful place... just take the liberals out of here and don't read the newspapers and I'll be a happy girl :p