Is the U.N. Worthwhile?


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cheygriz
March 9, 2003, 10:09 PM
What do you think?

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bad_dad_brad
March 9, 2003, 10:16 PM
Yes. But frankly, get rid of the veto power in the security council. I think you need a security council, but veto power of one member is stupid.

Remember the only way the U.N. went into Korea was because the Soviet Union walked out before the vote. Of course, they did it on purpose to make sure they had their little proxie war, and in retrospect, it worked well for them.

The U.N. does a lot of good things that never make the papers.

Of course, if a State disagrees with the U.N. they should be free to go it alone.

schild
March 9, 2003, 10:24 PM
www.getusout.org

TheLastBoyScout
March 9, 2003, 10:26 PM
:cuss: the UN! without american beans, bullets, bombs and blood backing up their silly @$$ ideas, they ain't nothin.

Blackhawk
March 9, 2003, 10:35 PM
It's a self-important debating society with an amazing talent to spend our money while spitting in our face.

Ala Dan
March 9, 2003, 10:37 PM
I voted NO- Get the U.S. out of the UN!

It seems as though Secretary General Koffie Annan
has major differences with the United States Of
America. And France, Oh Well- see how well they
like jumping from an aircraft without a parachute!

Best Wishes,

MitchSchaft
March 9, 2003, 10:44 PM
What schild said.

clem
March 9, 2003, 10:49 PM
NO, get the US OUT! They are nothing but a bunch of blood suckers.
Get out and give them 48 hours to leave America.
If they are still here after 48 hours arrest them as spies.
Then after 48 hours, tear the friggin building down.

Bastards!

Dave R
March 9, 2003, 11:00 PM
The UN really, really wants to become a World Government. That is a very, very dangerous ambition.

The US is flirting with legitimizing that goal when we act as though we must have UN approval to defend ourselves from terrorists.

Gary H
March 9, 2003, 11:01 PM
Stay in the U.N. and veto anything that might be adverse to our interests.

Get the U.N. out of the U.S.

Pay membership based on population. We are 1/24th of the worlds population, so our yearly fees should be 1/24th of all membership fees.

Make the French representatives wear pink skirts, except for the women... They just might be the ones to wear the pants.

JPM70535
March 9, 2003, 11:29 PM
Get the U.S. out of the U.N. as rapidly as is humanly possible, cut off all funding, Give them 30 days to get out of the U.S. and take their DEBATE SOCIETY somewhere where the pacifist drivel that seems to be the mainstay of every meeting will be more appreciated, LIKE FRANCE.

I have absolutely no use for any organization whose overriding interest is the creation of one world government with every nation being an equal partner and having an equal say.
Today there is only one super power in the world and we are it.


YEA THOUGH I WALK THROUGH THE VALLEY OF THE SHADOW OF DEATH, I SHALL FEAR NO EVIL.

FOR I AM THE MEANEST *** IN THE VALLEY!

Tamara
March 9, 2003, 11:51 PM
I'd have warmer feelings towards the organization if I could think of one worthwhile thing they've done in the last 50+ years...

Still thinking...

There must be something...

Ooh! Wait! Think of how much revenue would be lost by NYC cabbies who make their living shuttling the non-English-speakers of the Absurdistan delegation to JFK by way of Bangor, Maine! :eek:

geegee
March 10, 2003, 12:01 AM
More than 50 years ago, my mother and father both worked for the U.N. It was in Germany immediately after the Second World War. My father had spent the entire war in a German Slave Labor camp, having been taken as a young teenager from his home in Yugoslavia (as he says, "If not for Mr. Hitler, I may have never seen Germany."). My mother was working in a civilian capacity, attached to the British Army.

Because of the fact that my father spoke 5 or 6 languages fluently, and since there were millions of DP's (displaced persons) wandering the European continent with no home to return to, the United Nations Relief Organization (UNRO) served a vital function. Many of these people were in the process of trying to reunite with family members, or just find out what the fate was of lost family members. Anyone possessing the language skills of my father was in high demand, for obvious reasons.

My mother had a high ranking administrative position and was very familiar with the workings of the British Army. She was working with them and the new U.N. in an attempt to aid in the the reconstruction of a war torn Europe (she was also present at the Nuremberg Trials, and has given me some fascinating first person accounts).

To my reckoning, that's the last example I've ever heard about the U.N. getting something right. Once the dust settled and most of these folks either re-settled back to their country of origin, or in the case of what was left of Euorpean Jewery, relocated to Israel, the U.N. quickly became what it is today: a group of self congratulatory, impotent, socialist windbags, whose major goals are to shake down the United States for as much dough as possible, derail any constructive reforms lead by the United States, and finally to enjoy "living large" in New York City, while their fellow countrymen live out their lives in their 2nd or 3rd rate countries. :cuss:

I don't remember what Monty Python movie had this scene, but as a castle was being stormed from the front gates, a guard looks down on them, and spitting strongly says in a heavy French accent "Ah speet in yahr direct-shun!" Exactly. :barf: geegee

Coronach
March 10, 2003, 12:11 AM
No. The UN has just turned itself into the League of Nations.

However, we should remain in the UN.

Why?

Easy. As long as we're in the UN, we can stop them from doing anything and everything by exercising our veto in the security council.

Yes, the UN is pointless at best, dangerous at worst. But as long was we maintain a veto on the security council, we can get them to do what we want when we're able, and just ignore them when we aren't.

Useful idiots.

Mike

Slotback
March 10, 2003, 12:38 AM
The UN is a waste of space in New York. Why should we let all of those Third World idiots into our country to bad mouth us in the first place?

Skunkabilly
March 10, 2003, 12:42 AM
AFAIK one of my coworkers stayed at a UN-run refugee camp somewhere in Southeast Asia after he escaped from Vietnam. He was a ARVN (South?) Vietnamese lieutenant and was a POW for 8 years.

One heck of a story. Forgot what country the camp was in (Thailand, Philippines?), not sure what exactly what the UN's role was for folks that wanted to escape the Commie regime?

Nanook
March 10, 2003, 08:33 AM
I too would like the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US. They are a waste of space in NYC. All they seem to do is badmouth the people that are bankrolling their little debating society.
And that reminds me, has there ever been a UN secretary-general that wasn't from the Third World? Why is that? I think the closest they came was Dag Hammerskold (spelling?) way back in the '50's who was from a Scandinavian country. Now it's someone like Annan from an African pesthole, trying to run the world when his own country doesn't even have indoor plumbing. :cuss:

foghornl
March 10, 2003, 08:42 AM
I cannot give my opinion, for this is "The High Road", but I am sure most can figure it out very quickly.

BTW, can anyone think of why the 9-11-2001 bunch hit the World Trade Center insted of the UN building? ? ? ?


Makes ya go "Hmmmmmmmm........"



p.s. Here is a hint on my UN opinion:cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

Jack19
March 10, 2003, 08:45 AM
Why the US, with no Constitutional requirement to do so, has mired itself in the messes of the third world Marxists and Socialists is beyond me.

US out of the UN, UN out of the US!!!

geegee, I think that was "fart" in your general direction, even more appropriate. LOL :evil:

geegee
March 10, 2003, 09:39 AM
Jack19: Come to think of it, that was the line! :D geegee

.45Ruger
March 10, 2003, 08:29 PM
The U.N. is just an excuse for third world dictators to bash the U.S. and feel important in the world stage.

ahadams
March 10, 2003, 10:22 PM
at least the league of nations finally realized they were irrelevant -something the un seems chronically incapable of understanding. The sooner we're out of it (and it's off American soil) the sooner their whole house of cards collapses, and the better off the world will be.

chaim
March 10, 2003, 11:22 PM
And that reminds me, has there ever been a UN secretary-general that wasn't from the Third World? Why is that? I think the closest they came was Dag Hammerskold (spelling?) way back in the '50's who was from a Scandinavian country. Hey, can't forget that highpoint in UN history when they had Kurt Waldheim (SP?). You know the guy, the one who became very controversial when he became Prime Minister (or equivelent, I'm not sure what they have there off hand) of Austria because of his Nazi past. Click your heels, shout "Seig Heil", commit war crimes, and so long as they are against Jews, Russians, Poles or Americans you have a future in the UN.:cuss:

shooten
March 10, 2003, 11:33 PM
The most interesting thing that I've read about the UN in the past week is that the man that the US trusted to develop the framework (eg. security council, veto power) was a spy for the USSR. The deck was stacked from the beginning. Alger Hiss had a large role as well. Someone here said that the USSR wasn't present for the Korean war vote, it probably wasn't was an accident. We need to speak softly and carry a big stick (veto power).

To make this shooting related, I passed my hunting safety class last weekend and am looking forward to a wild boar hunt this year.

Scott

Nightfall
March 10, 2003, 11:53 PM
About 300 U.S. Marines stationed at Twenty-Nine Palms, California, got a reality check in 1994 when they were required to participate in a "Combat Arms Survey" asking how they felt about statements such as:

"The President of the United States has the authority to pass his responsibilities as Commander-in-Chief to the UN Secretary General";
"I would swear to the following code: 'I am a United Nations fighting person...'"; and
"I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government."

Wow. I say stay in the UN, and help keep it in check. Prevent a New World Order, and if it gets to the point that they're asking for the keys to the US to start a world wide governement... kick 'em out and tell 'em Molon Labe.

waterdog
March 11, 2003, 12:45 AM
Hmmm... looks close, ((NOT))

waterdog

bad_dad_brad
March 11, 2003, 01:26 AM
Most of the responses on THR have expressed a sort of xenophobic attitude towards the rest of the world and the U.N. I am disappointed in your attitudes.

Folks, that is not how the world works anymore. The U.S. can not continue a way of life for you, it's citizens, without the rest of the world to contribute to your benefit and vice versa. Grow up please. Please. We have to lead, and your small attitudes of isolation-ship don't contribute. Please educate yourselves.

The U.N. just needs to be tweaked a bit. It needs to grow up as well. It needs to throw of the last vestiges of childish socialism. It needs to embrace adult capitalism. It is a start. Don't discard the U.N. Change it. That is what I believe the Bush administration is trying to do. Vision backed by real economics.

Many of the countries of the world are just rabble, the teaming masses of ignorance. Call me arrogant, but I believe inside every person on the planet, there exists an American middle class person just waiting to be born. We just need to help them feed and educate themselves.

There has never been a country in the history of the planet like America. They hate us because our system works. We have a real massive and true middle class! The first ever in the history of mankind. But they are just jealous. They want to be middle class too. Who wouldn't?

The U.N. security council's vote should be weighted on GNP per capita with a little bit of population weight thrown in. But just because you have a billion poor people, should not outweigh that I have 200 million in the middle class.

At this point in history, the fulcrum will either balance towards anarchy, or it will balance towards Pax Americana. It is a delicate balance to be sure, but I think we will win out, and clearly the world will be a better place for it. We have a chance to lead the world, and I am afraid the U.N. in a new Americanized venue, is the way to do it.

schild
March 11, 2003, 08:07 AM
The UN will cease to exist without U.S. backing.

www.getusout.org

jmbg29
March 11, 2003, 02:20 PM
GET US OUT! THEN KICK THEM OUT!!! :fire: :cuss:

ball3006
March 11, 2003, 02:49 PM
of the USA but stay a member just to keep an eye on the rascals....chris3

Trisha
March 11, 2003, 03:02 PM
The UN has no reason for existence as their original legitimacy evaporated with the fall of the Iron Curtain and the dissolution of the USSR.

The bureaucratic conglomerate created a new cause, irregardless of any charter or authority, one where the UN becomes a World Government. This flies in the face of valid soverign autonomy, a basic concept to any individual nation.

This seems not to faze the UN one whit - and they continue to pursue their flavor of global unification - to their mediocre and frightening designs, with horrifying ineficency.

No. No UN. No to the WorldBank. No to the World Health Organization.

After all, an elephant is a mouse, as designed by committee.

Trisha

CZ-75
March 11, 2003, 03:59 PM
Why should we let all of those Third World idiots into our country to bad mouth us in the first place?


Or to commit fraud, murder, rape and use diplomatic immunity to evade it all.

Not to mention tens of millions of dollars of parking and traffic violations, either.



Not that we shouldn't have some sort of world representative body for all nations to meet, but these sorts of places become corrupt and useless.

Were the US to bail, I wouldn't expect the UN to last long.

Another organization could take its place until it becomes useless and corrupt.

Imagine a body where only one nation can impede the will of every other nation because it has an overriding veto? That isn't corrupt????????

Or that major economic powers like Germany and Japan (sorry, you lost) don't have authority equal to France.

Or that a massive "democracy" like India doesn't carry the same weight as an authoritarian kleptocracy like China?

Sean Smith
March 11, 2003, 04:30 PM
To answer the question: not really. But we need to stay in so we can veto everything.

Being on a UN peacekeeping mission in Macedonia was... interesting. There was a US battalion, and a "Nordic battalion" of Finns, Swedes, and so forth. We got along great, and took turns throwing parties for each other and drinking together. Meanwhile, both units totally ignored the "orders" from the UN headquarters. The US was blunt about it ("We aren't doing that. See you next week, jerky."), and Nordbat was nice about it ("We will get back to you to comply promptly when you grow a brain."), but both were about as "under UN command" as they were cross-dressing hockey goalies. There is a profound lesson about international relations there, somewhere.

Then there was the formal dinner at UN headquarters... drunk Vikings and Americans, oh my! :evil:

Chris Rhines
March 11, 2003, 04:34 PM
The "forum for nations to meet and debate" became obsolete with the invention of the fax machine.

Nothing else the UN does is even remotely legitimate.

Pull out of the UN, tell them to shove their membership debt, raze the UN building and build a shooting range on the land, and ignore them.

- Chris

Average Guy
March 11, 2003, 08:28 PM
We got along great, and took turns throwing parties for each other and drinking together.
Sean, that sounds like a hoot. My favorite memories of service overseas are of partying with our host country counterparts. A grunt is a grunt the world over.


I say we revoke the travel privileges of all the diplodinks, then evacuate the building and turn it into low-cost housing. (I don't hate all "furrners" [hey, my dad's one], just the rich ones who think we owe them something.)

Minute_Of_Torso
March 11, 2003, 10:40 PM
Get US out NOW!!!

What a joke . . . a dangerous, totalitarian, elitist, evil joke . . . but a joke just the same.

YankeeRebel
March 12, 2003, 12:11 PM
PoiDog,

I thhink I remember reading somewhere that Slick Willie, aka William J. Clinton-former President of the U.S.A., is working very hard to becme the next secretary general of the U.N. Should he make it he will be the first S.G. from a developed nation. That will be something having him there and his loving wife as a senator. But, think about what a hunting ground he will have for interns.

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