[bfox]

I was at a new gunshop the other day.
I asked the guy for some lead bullets for reloading.
He says he does not get lead anymore
gets bullets like frangibles for indoor use.
That the EPA needs to step in and check out my Gunclub
Is lead banned at your indoor ranges ?
Thanks , Bill

[Standing Wolf]

I used to shoot once in a great while at an indoor range where lead was supposedly prohibited. Lots of shooters shot lead, anyway. The reason I didn't shoot there very often was that many of the shooters were young male illegal alien types who'd never heard of the four rules.

[HSMITH]

2000 rounds of lead in the last month, no problems, bought half of it at the indoor range too.

[braindead0]

A local indoor range hereabouts sells lead bullets (at a horrid price of course)....so they must still be okay here

[Poodleshooter]

No. If it was, there would be a lot less shooting.

[Master Blaster]

Sounds like this gunshop owner works for the VPC, they had a pamphlet last year on the deadly legacy of shooting, that had to do with the horrors of LEAD. The VPC wanted the EPA to shut down indoor ranges and outdoor ranges and reloading in general for the children of course.

Target master the local commercial range does not allow lead bullets if they are reloads, because the smoke fouls their filters in their INADEQUATE ventilation system.

The recommend Remmington UMC jacketed ammo though which has a soft lead exposed base that puts more lead in the air when fired than any hardcast bullet.

Wax lube smoke is not poisonous, lead smoke is.
Of course I would never argue the point with the Expert gunshop commandos that work there, nor would I ever shoot there again due to the unsafe gunhandling I witnessed there (renting full auto to the boys from the hood, ever see an MP5 fired sideways?)
:rolleyes: :o

[dan_s]

EPA does not view lead as a big problem on shooting ranges, as long as the range has a lead management plan in place to ensure the lead stays put, and an attempt is made to reclaim all or some part of it. Preventing lead mitigation may be as simple as spreading limestone to ensure the soil remains a little alkaline. Reclamation is not necessarily a big deal, as a range could use phytoremediation, which is a $20 dollar word for plants that absorb lead from the soil, which are then harvested, burned and the lead recycled.

If you go to the EPA web site and get the "Best Management Practices" document you will find some really good info and will clear up for you some of the more commonplace misconceptions..

Outdoor ranges that ban the use of lead may be doing so out a belief that this would prevent them from needing a lead management plan. But they would be forgetting about the lead already in the ground.. Lead in a shooting range is not considered a hazardous material if it is managed. But if the land is sold for another use, say housing, the existing lead would then become a factor, and someone could have a very hefty cleanup bill..

Indoor ranges are another matter, where airborne lead dust could lead to long term health problems. A range I use has restrictions on frangible or TMJ bullets. The restriction here has nothing to do with EPA...

[Mal H]

Lead might be banned by local ordinance, but I don't think the EPA is involved, yet. At the NRA range, it is allowed and I know they check for airborne lead frequently. I watched and quized the VA Dept. of Health guy doing the check one time. He said the air circulation and filtration at the NRA range was very good, but that that isn't the case at several other ranges in the area. He said nothing about any future banning of lead at ranges in VA.

[dan_s]

filtration at the NRA range was very good

Primary reason I go there (wish Blue Ridge would do something)

[blades67]

Not around here, but we don't have many of those gunshop commandos where I buy my lead bullets.:neener:

[swampgator]

The fellow that removes the lead from our bullet traps told that all lead ranges are much better environmentally than ranges that mix lead and "unleaded" ammo.

Seems that the pure lead can be recycled, while mixing the lead with the other metals in lead free ammo cause it considered toxic waste. Actually he said the lead could be separated from non lead materials but that it was cost prohibitive.