Need Help Identifying Rifle


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Henry455
March 7, 2005, 02:35 PM
This is another firearm I inherited from my Dad. I have no idea of maker or caliber. The only markings I can find are on the top left receiver: St.M.G. and below that 12.7 gr. Any help would be appreciated. Here are a few pics:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/Henry455/Unknown%20Rifle/Unknownrifle011A.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/Henry455/Unknown%20Rifle/Unknownrifle012A.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/Henry455/Unknown%20Rifle/Unknownrifle019A.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/Henry455/Unknown%20Rifle/Unknownrifle013A.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/Henry455/Unknown%20Rifle/Unknownrifle021A.jpg

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Harry Tuttle
March 7, 2005, 02:40 PM
nice figure

its a keeper

41mag
March 7, 2005, 02:51 PM
*drooling*

Steyr-Mannlicher rifles are beautiful.Your dad had excellent taste!

Dave Markowitz
March 7, 2005, 03:04 PM
Very nice rifle. That's a Mauser action, though, not a Mannlicher. It does have a Mannlicher-style stock, however. It appears to be a customer Mauser sporter built in Germany or Austria. Did your grandfather bring this back after WW2?

If it's not marked as to caliber the best way to find that out is to have a gunsmith make a chamber cast.

rockstar.esq
March 7, 2005, 03:54 PM
It looks like a mauser action in a Manlicher stock. Either way, it's a custom job. The double triggers are especially cool!

MrMurphy
March 7, 2005, 04:00 PM
Mauser action, with a Mannlicher-style "butterknife" bolt handle. Double Set Triggers and a Full (aka Mannlicher) stock.

Probably a pre-WW2 custom rifle. The 1903 Mannlicher was very popular before-after WW1 and pre-WW2 for European hunters, and a Mauser "clone" of it wouldn't be really that odd.

Probably made for a German or Austrian who preferred the Mauser action. They seemed to like the double set triggers and full Mannlicher stock more than anyone else.

Jim Watson
March 7, 2005, 04:02 PM
Probably 8x57 but a chamber cast is the only way to prove it.
12.7 grams is 196 grains, a common 8mm bullet weight.
Slug the bore, too. European sporting rifles were made for the .318" J bullet for a long time after the German army went to .323".

Harry Tuttle
March 7, 2005, 04:36 PM
Are those scope mounts on the reciever?

kind of a post WWII feature...

MrMurphy
March 7, 2005, 11:03 PM
Scopes have been on guns since the Civil War, they were not common everywhere pre-WW2 but were around. Even Jeff Cooper said so on his hunting guns pre-WW2 vs now, not much technologically has changed in many ways.

Jim K
March 8, 2005, 06:39 AM
St m G just means "Stahlmantell geschoss", or "Steel jacket bullet". It is part of the proof mark, as is the bullet weight, 12.7 grams (196 grains).

Odds are the action started out in life as a military rifle, but the military markings have been removed. It is probably one of the thousands of sporting rifles made in Germany after WWI (post-WWII is possible, but less likely) when one of the few ways for German gunsmiths to get hard currency and continue the bad habit of eating regular was to use one asset Germany had in abundance, military Mausers, and convert them to sporters for sale to Americans or for export to the U.S. and other countries.

The caliber could be something else, but the bullet weight of 12.7 grams indicates it is 8x57JS; the old 8x57J rifles were normally proofed with a 14.7 gram (226 grain) bullet. Still, slugging the bore and making a chamber cast would be a good idea; it could have been converted to something else later.

Jim

Nathanael_Greene
March 8, 2005, 10:55 AM
For what it's worth, I thought I'd seen a photo of a Heym SR20 that had double triggers, but now I can't find the link (it was some website in Germany).

hksw
March 8, 2005, 11:08 AM
http://www.germanguns.com/index.html

Henry455
March 8, 2005, 12:20 PM
Thanks guys for all you input. I have enclosed a few more pics to see if helps:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/Henry455/Unknown%20Rifle/Unknownrifle016a.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/Henry455/Unknown%20Rifle/Unknownrifle021A.jpg

g56
March 8, 2005, 03:16 PM
That is a really nice rifle, a definite keeper! :)

Nathanael_Greene
March 8, 2005, 04:11 PM
Ah...here's one. A Heym double-triggered 30-06:

http://www.waffen-seeber.de/waffen/ws152.htm

(I don't know what this proves in the overall scheme of things, but it demonstrates that Germans were producing double-triggered rifles fairly recently.)

This site has some interesting information; worth a look to see what Germans are paying for rifles. ($600+ for a used Winchester 94? Ouch.)

MilsurpShooter
March 8, 2005, 06:10 PM
Going by the styling of the bolt, IE the rear i'd say it's a type of mauser. The flat, pancaked, bolt is generally seen on Mausers with scopes. The bottom plate near the trigger has been customized for a quick release it appears. On stock Mausers it's necessary to insert something into a retaining hole and press down a spring, many use FMJ bullets for this.

The safety looks like a Turk or Swedish style mauser on a custom stock. Very nice customization in any case

rust collector
March 8, 2005, 07:11 PM
What a great thing-- a sturdy, well-crafted bit of practical art from your Dad. Don't you wish you'd had time to learn the provenance of this stately old piece? I know you will take great care of it, and hand it down you your offspring some day.

I hope you can find the scope that it wore. Those old claw mounts are pricey in their own right. Get the chamber cast and protect the metal that isn't exposed so it will be in good shape 60 or 80 years from now. And shoot it. That's what it's for.

Gewehr98
March 8, 2005, 11:12 PM
Of a previously military Mauser. Note the thumb cutout on the left side receiver rail - for stripper clip feeding. The stripper clip notch is still there in the rear receiver ring, just forward of the rear scope base.

Very svelte, the wood doesn't overwhelm the action. There's even a step down in the Mannlicher forend just forward of the rear leaf sight.

I'll go out on a limb and call it a '98 Mauser variant. You can confirm it for us by removing the bolt and seeing if there's a third safety lug back by the bolt handle.

But in it's current configuration, it's definitely worth more than a WWI military Gewehr98 or WWII Kar98K Mauser.

Like a Sedgely Sporter kind of worth more. ;)

(Can I be your friend? Is it in your will yet?)

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