Closest Thing to a CA-legal M16/AR..


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Kenshin
March 7, 2005, 09:24 PM
that doesn't put a hole in my wallet?

Edit: Yes, i know of the CA-legal FAL's, but they are expensive.

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Number 6
March 7, 2005, 09:35 PM
Kel Tec Su-16.

Kenshin
March 7, 2005, 10:01 PM
Which one, Alpha, Bravo, or Charlie-A?

BTW, what is the MSRP of CA model?

railroader
March 7, 2005, 10:40 PM
I got my su-16a online. After ffl fees and shipping it was $470 out the door. Mark

jcs271
March 7, 2005, 10:53 PM
Ruger Mini-14 !!!!!

TexasRifleman
March 7, 2005, 11:15 PM
Well, the closes thing to a CA legal AR is, well, an AR.

It's not exactly the same, but it is. I know that makes no sense, so go take a look.

Fab 10 (http://www.quarterbore.com/ar15m16/fab10.htm)

Sven
March 7, 2005, 11:18 PM
I'd get the Kel-Tec SU16b pr SI16ca (coming soon).

Note: this is more of a survival type weapon. An AR can be accurized to an incredible degree... if you think you may move out of state someday, consider the FAB10 lower receiver. It allows you to build a fixed, 10 round mag AR with all the other bells and whistles.... move out of state, just swap lower receivers.

My plan is to use this for a NM style (stock service rifle) practice gun, for when I go visit to shoot out of state. "Hey Buddy, can I borrow your lower receiver for a couple weeks?"

Hkmp5sd
March 7, 2005, 11:19 PM
Here is a CA legal FAB-10 put together by El Rojo.

http://home.bak.rr.com/elrojo14/pictures/cab10b.JPG

Sven
March 7, 2005, 11:24 PM
I'm sorry, but the fake magazine... it almost makes it HARDER on me to have a fake mag on there than just to accept the reality. Then again, don't some slow-fire positions use the magazine as support? Hrm.

Would it be legal to add on a 20 round USGI mag, altered permanently beforehand to only hold 10 rounds? I guess could ask CA DOJ.

Number 6
March 8, 2005, 12:15 AM
Which one, Alpha, Bravo, or Charlie-A?

I would go with the CA version. You get a threaded barrel, better sights, and a dust cover, all of which the Alpha version does not have. That being said, I own an Alpha version and love it, the CA version just has some modifications that I would prefer to be on my Alpha version.

BTW, what is the MSRP of CA model?

MSRP $740

El Rojo
March 8, 2005, 02:50 AM
I recognize that gun! If you are on a budget, the SU-16 is the way to go. I just got mine and was pleased with it. I haven't shot it as much as I would like and will be doing that soon.

The FAB-10 is more of a hold out type gun that you have just so you can dream about someday the PRK changing the laws and swapping that FAB-10 lower out with a real lower. I like my FAB-10 and my two uppers for it. The 20" V-match upper is great for squirrels and coyotes and the 11.5/5.5 commando upper is cool with a red dot on it for close in. However, nothing is more depressing than cooking off 10 rounds out of that upper and then hearing the click of the hammer on an empty chamber. That is where the SU-16 comes in. I can actually shoot up to thirty rounds in it! Of course I bought a bunch of AR15 mags before the ban because I anticipated buying an rifle that would accept AR15 mags someday. Prove that I didn't! :D

Yes the fake magazine is completely impractical, but darn it, it makes me feel better. I wouldn't advise trying to alter the gun to accept a fixed 20 rounder. Shoeless Ventures already informed me that by drilling two holes in the bottom of my mag well for the fake mag to attach, I voided my DOJ letter. I am not worried about it because it still is a ten round fixed centerfire rifle, but it would take a lot of work to remove the solid casting in the mag well and then add a fixed 20 rounder to the gun. I wouldn't mess with it myself. A SU-16 is easier and most certainly legal.

shooter94
March 8, 2005, 05:51 AM
Is to move!

Justang
March 8, 2005, 02:24 PM
Other than both shoot the .223 the Mini is nothing like the AR.

Move, like we all haven't heard that a bazillion times before. :rolleyes:


I've thought about a Fab10, it'd be cool to have and shoot, but the idea ticks me off. One day we will be free.

TexasRifleman
March 8, 2005, 02:38 PM
Would it be legal to add on a 20 round USGI mag, altered permanently beforehand to only hold 10 rounds? I guess could ask CA DOJ.

No, that's a high-cap in ********** speak, as crazy as it sounds.

I guess the best advice otherwise is to get a bolt action, or pack up and move :(

cookekdjr
March 8, 2005, 03:36 PM
California-legal Ar-15? Here you go:

MatthewVanitas
March 8, 2005, 04:20 PM
I actually saw a man come into a shop in Yucca Valley and look over a NEF single-shot rifle just like you show (but with Tasco scope). He then asked the owner's husband "can I get high-cap mags for this"?

The owner scowled and said "no", and then just sat there. I kept waiting for him to explain, but he never did.

So, I walked up to the guy, explained how a break-action doesn't take magazines at all, regardless of capacity. Showed him how to work the action, etc. Wrote "www.thehighroad.org" on the back of the store's business card. He ended up deciding that it was a pretty cool rifle at a good price, and that he was okay with single shot, so he bought it. Still ticks me off that the owner wouldn't take ten seconds to explain the rifle to an obvious newbie, so I'm quite glad that they're turning the business over to their son this year.

http://www.kel-tec.com/images/su16cside.jpg
Above pic is SU-16C, the CA variant is the same but with a fixed stock. Note improved sights, front sight post over gastube for stability, case-deflecting charging handle, etc.

Oh, and getting back to topic: SU-16CA seems to be what you're looking for. If cash is short, then an SKS ($200 and under) or M1 Garand through CMP (approx $340). Not that those last two resemble an M16, but since you mentioned CA FALs, I suppose you might be open to anything militaristic. Cheers, -MV

50 Shooter
March 8, 2005, 04:53 PM
I would buy a Kel-Tec before I paid for any of the OVERPRICED lowers that are out there. Give me a break, those things are selling for two to three times what they're worth.

Heck I would buy a POS mini-14 before I wasted money on any of those lowers. Another thing I can't believe is that people are actually thinking of buying a Hesse/Vulcan Ca. lower! :banghead:

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