Help with 9mm Pick


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rjk2475
March 11, 2005, 07:27 PM
have shot a 1911A1 SA and and a S&W K frame for nearly two decades; these guns are natural pointers for me. i would like to get a nine, but am overwhelmed with the array of choices. not having the time or facilities to try all, which ones are likely to be good fits relative to my 1911 and s&w K? thank you

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azrael
March 11, 2005, 07:32 PM
Well I would recommend the Springfield XD series...

armoredman
March 11, 2005, 07:46 PM
I know I sound like a broken record...CZ 75.

a454me
March 11, 2005, 07:52 PM
I say Glock 17 or 19 now that hi-caps are reasonable again . I was a diehard 1911 fan until I decided to try one , accurate , reliable , unbreakable and UGLY you just have to get over the ugly to appreciate one .

rjk2475
March 11, 2005, 08:32 PM
unfortuniately. i'm not able to adapt to a glock. barrel goes way high when i grip it. tried a cz 97b(?).45 trigger too far gun torques. the Xd9 does fit :) however, is this gun capable of better than average accuracy and reliablity?

faustulus
March 11, 2005, 08:36 PM
There is a universe of good 9mms out there and you have already received some great suggestions.
I would add the Browning Hi Power into the equation. I don't think you can get a better 9mm.
There is also the HK P7.
Beretta 92.
and of course the CZ 75.
But it would be hard to beat a Hi Power.

MrTuffPaws
March 11, 2005, 09:22 PM
Another vote for the XD. They have the same grip angle that they 1911s have.

modifiedbrowning
March 11, 2005, 09:27 PM
I'm a broken record, too, check out the Walther P99. Excellent pistol.

Boats
March 11, 2005, 09:32 PM
And the record skips again. . .

XD
CZ
BHP

Oops, new beat--Beretta 92

All are the most naturally pointing 9mms I have fired.

donkee
March 11, 2005, 09:42 PM
CZ, hiss-pop, CZ, pop, CZ, hiss, CZ..............

Bobarino
March 11, 2005, 09:42 PM
can you give us some more criteria for your 9mm? like full size/compact, SA or DA or DAO, steel or plastic, barrel length, single or double stack etc? that would help narrow it down a little more.

Bobby

cslinger
March 11, 2005, 09:50 PM
Sounds like a Browning High Power to me. Comfortable, Accurate, familiar manual of arms, classic.

And all that praise coming from the one gun nut in the Eastern Hemisphere who doesn't like the Highpower one darn bit, so it must be at least a pretty good gun. :rolleyes:

Gary G23
March 11, 2005, 09:59 PM
XD or CZ

rjk2475
March 11, 2005, 10:01 PM
full size,SA or DAO, steel(maybe poly)at least 4"" bbl,double stack. are you recommending a new Browning HP or one made by FN?

Majic
March 11, 2005, 10:29 PM
Simple, get a 1911 chambered in 9mm.

shep854
March 12, 2005, 12:24 AM
Another vote for a Hi-Power. It is an evolution of the 1911 design and has one of the slimmest double-stack grips around. CZ's are close, but they aren't quite as nice as the Hi-Power.

Sheslinger
March 12, 2005, 12:48 AM
An XD9 or a P99.

Pointman1776
March 12, 2005, 02:25 AM
9mm? Well, my friend, hard to beat a Sig Sauer:
P226: ST, R, or original
P228
P229
P239
P225
Take your pick...they are all amazing.

For polymer: SP2022 or SP2009.

I also love and high recommend (after the Sig): CZ 75BD or CZ-P01.

After that, it's an IMI/MRI Baby Eagle in 9mm, XD-9, or HK.

Cheers!

Shipwreck
March 12, 2005, 03:03 AM
I rented a P99 recently, and I thought I would like it. I wanted to like it. I wanted to buy one... Then I shot it. Hated it. Got another beretta, this time a stainless Vertec. Smooth gun. Less muzzle flip than the plastic framed guns.

Get a Beretta

Ala Dan
March 12, 2005, 08:08 AM
Greetings All-

Looks like Pointman 1776 has nailed it. A choice from the SIG-SAUER
Classic P-series line is the choice of wise men (and women). My personal
preference is the SIG P228.

Best Wishes,

seed
March 12, 2005, 08:36 AM
g19. Just my opinion.

ojibweindian
March 12, 2005, 08:56 AM
Cz 75.

Seraph
March 12, 2005, 09:16 AM
CZ 75B or CZ 75SA

LoadedDrum
March 12, 2005, 09:22 AM
Baby Eagle

Pilot
March 12, 2005, 09:43 AM
Bhp
Bhp
Bhp
Cz-75
Hk P7

Bobarino
March 12, 2005, 08:09 PM
since i'm an HK fan, i'll throw in my 2 HK cents. the USP full size might fit the bill. it can be had in DA, SA or DAO has a 4.5 in BBL, is double stack and reliable as a hammer. pricey but worth every penny in my ever-so-humble-yet-always-correct opinion.

Bobby

PX15
March 12, 2005, 08:10 PM
Sig P239....... :)

XD Niner
March 12, 2005, 10:15 PM
Another enthusiastic vote for the XD-9. Mine has been great and the ergonomics are much closer to my 1911 than most of the other wonder nines especially the Glock. I have over 4000 rounds through mine with total reliability.

DMF
March 12, 2005, 10:32 PM
Range gun for plinking? Competition like IDPA? Carry? All three?

What do you want to do with this gun?

If it's for carry I would go with a Sig or Glock - Sig 228 or 239, G26 or G19.

If you're not going to carry it well that opens up your choices. Full size Sig or Glock, P226 or G17. Maybe a Hi-Power. CDNN has great deals on them from FN.

PaleRyder
March 12, 2005, 11:13 PM
If you like the 1911, a Browning Hi Power or a Star BM are your best choices. And, Stars are very inexpensive and reliable. A Star model B is the same size as a standard 1911 and both it and the BM are cock and lock style single action pistols.

natedog
March 13, 2005, 12:09 AM
Browning Hi-Power: The 9mm 1911 companion

Next up would be the XD; the grip is like a widebody 1911.

rjk2475
March 13, 2005, 12:54 AM
can you give me any data to support accuracy for the BHP and the XD9? thank you

natedog
March 13, 2005, 01:04 AM
From Mr. Stephen A. Camp's website: http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Accuracy.htm

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Accuracy_files/image008.jpg
These groups were fired with a factory barrel in a Mk III Hi Power at 15 yards. I submit that this is plenty accurate for a service pistol and would serve plenty good for protection needs, informal target competition, practical pistol competition, or small game hunting.

wardog
March 13, 2005, 01:26 AM
BHP
Any SIG
HK USP, compact or full size

Stratford Holdings
March 13, 2005, 01:39 AM
I just bought an XD9 Subcompact and it's decent. For a 3", it's pretty accurate, though I'm much more accurate with my .45's.

Like someone else said, get a 1911 in 9mm or the USP. I love both of those.

Tango Sierra
March 13, 2005, 03:30 AM
A lot of people here are forgetting you asked for point-ability closest to a 1911. From the SIG line only the P220 comes close to 1911 point-ability and P220 9s aren't always easy to find.

I find the CZ 75 points exactly the same as a 1911 but the stock CZ SA trigger sucks. Someday I'll have a trigger job done to mine.

The H&K USP is close but not quite a match and the Springfield XD is between a 1911 and a SIG P226 but closer to the 226.

None of these grips has the ergonomic feel of a 1911 but I feel the CZ comes closest albeit slightly fatter but not nearly as fat as the double stack SIGs.

FunGunner
March 13, 2005, 04:23 AM
In order

CZ 75B
FN SA HighPower
Sig P226
Beretta 92F

Marshall
March 13, 2005, 11:49 AM
No question on this one, an FN or Browning Hi-Power of course. The 9mm of all 9mm's. :)

PO2Hammer
March 13, 2005, 11:57 AM
I'll agree with Bobarino, if you want an indestructable 9mm with very soft recoil, the H&K USP is a real tough sumna beech.
The Sig P226 is sweet and smooth, can't go wrong there either.
Glocks are OK, but every range punk owns one.
Never shot a CZ or a BHP, classic designs though.
Not a Beretta fan.

rjk2475
March 13, 2005, 12:04 PM
great info guys. thank you

CougarRed
March 13, 2005, 01:22 PM
So many great 9mms to choose from.

I own an HK P7 PSP, and two Kahrs (one steel, one polymer). I don't think Kahrs have been mentioned on this thread. All 3 are accurate and reliable, although with the fixed barrel, the P7 is most accurate.

Also notice Steyrs have not been mentioned.

Lobotomy Boy
March 13, 2005, 01:25 PM
I agree with all the choices so far--all are excellent guns.

I picked the CZ75B over the Browning HP and Glock 34 because it was considerably less money than either. I like the CZ, but it has some issues with the sear-hammer arrangement. Hopefully CZ will straighten it out for me. If so, I will feel differently, but as of right now I wish I had gone with either the Browning or the Glock.

I notice there isn't a single recommendation for the Beretta 92.

rjk2475
March 13, 2005, 05:25 PM
so which bhp is the best choice? what can i expect to pay? will it need after market enhancements/upgrades? thank you

Marshall
March 13, 2005, 06:37 PM
Which BHP? Depends what you want. I like single action so I suggest, if looking at FN-USA, the SA over a DA although, the SFS is intriging. All of the FN's are just like Brownings MKIII.

If looking at the Browning named ones, I like them all! The standard with adjustable sights is so damn classic it's hard not to buy one but they are more easily scratched up or worn. The MKIII is probably the most popular because it is the least expensive and it also has a good reliable finish. The Practical is probably my overall favorite because of the silver chromed frame and the two tone look. You also get a commander style hammer and Pachmayr grips. Although, I replaced the Pachmayrs on mine.

If you decide on a MKIII, it doesn't matter if it's Browning or FN, they're the same. Get the least expensive, which will be the FN.

Browning Hi-Powers (http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/category.asp?value=007B)

FN's website is currently under construction.

rjk2475
March 13, 2005, 07:25 PM
Marshall: the standard appears to have better sights than the MIII. is this so?

Pilot
March 13, 2005, 07:50 PM
If you want a BHP for carry, do not get the standard model with the very high, Millet adjustable sights, although I've seen some new models with a "melted in" adjustable sights which makes the rear and front sights lower profile. They actually look pretty good for carry. The MK III is a great all around choice. The matte finish is durable and the standard sights are fine. CDNN has MK III's BHP's for $399. Expect to pay $350 or so for a CZ-75B, and $700 up for a used, yes used HK P7. There ares still some German Police refurbs around in the $700 range. They are all great choices.

phantomak47
March 13, 2005, 07:55 PM
Sig 226 hands down.

Marshall
March 14, 2005, 11:47 AM
Marshall: the standard appears to have better sights than the MIII. is this so?

Hi rjk....,

Well, better for what? Rhetorical question. ;)

Yes, the standard has what I would call better sights because they are adjustable and will give you the ability to adjust your point of impact to point of aim better than the sights on the MKIII and Practical version.

Are they better for carry? No. The adjustable sights are too big to make them a better option than the fixed sights for carrying purposes. I think the adjustables look damn nice on the Hi-Power and are really functional as well. But, the three white dot fixed sights, actually a center square and two rear vertical rectangles, sure allow you to pick them up fast and are much more easily slid in and out of a holster. Having both myself, I would fall on the side of the fixed sights, if I could only have one.

If you have never had a Hi-Power in your hands, do yourself a huge favor and go try one on, you'll fall in love.

Best to you,
Marshall :)

jonnyc
March 14, 2005, 11:56 AM
For commonality, pointability, and simplicity...
Browning Hi Power.

Big Gay Al
March 14, 2005, 12:50 PM
If you like the 1911 style, but want a higher capacity 9mm, I'd look at the Taurus line. I have two of theirs, the full size PT-92 which looks a lot like the Beretta 92, except the safety is on the frame instead of the slide, and moves in the same style as the 1911.

And I have the mid-sized PT-911, it's safety also is on the frame.

With the AWB having gone away, the capacity of the PT-92/99 series is now 17 rounds, and the PT-911 holds 15. I love both of mine. I've had the PT-92 since 1992, and it has NEVER malfunctioned on me. The PT-911 I just got this year, and it has not malfunctioned on me either. I've put 200+ rounds through it so far.

dghboy315
March 14, 2005, 12:52 PM
Beretta 92 series

Big Gay Al
March 14, 2005, 02:26 PM
I'd go with the Taurus PT-92/99. It's cheaper in cost, and for someone used to the 1911 style safety, it works the same way. The Beretta 92, with the slide mounted safety works just the opposite.

rjk2475
March 14, 2005, 05:18 PM
The Beretta 92, with the slide mounted safety works just the opposite. :barf:

didn't know that.

Big Gay Al
March 14, 2005, 07:10 PM
Yup. On the standard Beretta 92 with the slide mounted safety, it's UP for off, and DOWN for safe, the complete opposite of how the safety on the 1911 AND the Taurus PT-92/99 works. THAT is the major reason I went with Taurus. That, and they typically cost less than Beretta.

I've had my PT-92 for 13+ years, and it has never failed to operate.

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