"Your CCW Light" ???


March 10, 2003, 10:43 PM
Since I got my CCW permit, I have been thinking of getting a good quality mini flashlight to carry on my person.

I saw this article on NewsMax about so-called "personal LED lights".

Here is the link:


Does anyone carry one of these new "high tech" LED lights with their CCW, and if so, which one do you like?:confused:

Thanks for your opinions...

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March 10, 2003, 10:51 PM
I carry one of the clip-on miniature units attached to my keyring at all times, whether or not I'm armed. Comes in useful at the oddest times... Also, I got the model that can be switched to "on" permanently, rather than just flashed while a button is held down. This means I can leave that hand/finger free for weapon or other use if I have to

El Rojo
March 10, 2003, 11:14 PM
I carry a Surefire 3P (http://www.san.surefire.com/cgi-bin/main.pl?pgm=co_disp&func=displ&sesent=0,0&carfnbr=286). (note: Surefire discontinued the 3P and now offers the E1E Executive light in its place.) in my pocket with my spare magazine. They are handy little lights. Small enough to be comfortable enough to carry around, and just bright enough to light up threats withing night time shooting distances. If I knew there was going to be trouble in my home or out in the yard, I would take the Streamlight Stinger (http://www.streamlight-flashlights.com/streamlight-flashlights/stinger.html). I love the Stinger. Rechargable, super bright, and not very big.

I highly recommend you get a good flashlight. They are a bit expensive, but if you are serious enough to carry, you need to be serious enough to carry a light with you.

An intersting side note. Has anyone ever gone out and shot with your flashlight at night? A friend and I shot at night once while being timed. For some reason, when there is no light, you have to focus on the front sight. With my Glock 27 in the day light I often would throw one round off the target. At night while holding a flashlight, my groups were all good! Only one or two rounds in the 6 ring, the rest all 9's and 10's!

Will Fennell
March 10, 2003, 11:20 PM
I have a blue PHOTON II on my keychain at all times, and I carry a SUREFIRE e2e in the car during the day, and clipped in my pocket[weak side] @ night. These of course compliment my CCW.

Bedside handgun is a BERETTA VERTEC and I have a STREAMLIGHT M3 on it that I can either use as a weapons light, or detach and use as a handheld flashlight.

Double Naught Spy
March 10, 2003, 11:41 PM
Unless things have changed, I have yet to see an LED light that would be very good as a primary light to be used with a gun. I have two. One is an ANOVA that runs on 2 CR123 3v batteries and has 5 LEDs and one is a CMG Reactor light that has one LED and runs on two AAA batteries.

The odd thing about LED light is that it does not seem to shine as far. I know that sounds odd and while the lights look really bright, they do a poor job of illuminating at distances greater than about 10 yards and even then the quality of the lumination is not good.

What I have found LED lights good for is close-up work where you don't want to use a bright flashlight because of the amount of light reflected back at you from whatever you are working on. For example, LEDs are great for reading maps in the car at night. That are good navigation lights to light the path directly in front of you well enough. The are really good for use as a handy light should you have the power go out and need light for an extended amount of time. In other words, these are good when you don't need as much light and you don't need it for seeing off in the distance. The big benefit of LED lights is that they tend to drain batteries very slowly while in use, so they tend to be useful for a much greater amount of time before batteries need to be changed, plus the bulbs last for something like 100,000 hours and so you won't ever be changing one.

March 11, 2003, 12:30 AM
I don't have a CCW, but I do carry a light on me at all times. On my keychain I have an ARC AAA. This is a nifty LED, that is made of aluminum and has an anodized finish. Its a very bright light and the good part is that it uses AAA batteries, rather than a coin lithium battery.

On my body I sometimes carry either my Streamlight Scorpion or my Brinkman Legend LXi. Both use 123 batteries and are very bright lights. The Scorpions sell for about $30 w/ batteries and the Legend is $19 w/batteries @ Walmart. Both are good lights, but the Brinkman's bezel is much larger than the Scorpions. I also have an Insight M3 tactical light that goes with my G19, but can also be carried alone.

The next light on my list is a Surefire E2. Its smaller than the Scorpion or Legend and is brighter too.

March 11, 2003, 01:26 AM
I recommend a Surefire 6P variant. Comes in several flavors 60 or 120 lumen light.

You can also get the polymer version for around 30 bucks. I have four 6P Surefire variants. Bar none the best tactical light that you can buy!

March 11, 2003, 01:39 AM
Surefire makes some nice lights!...and tough too :) Plus, they have really nice customer service.

March 11, 2003, 03:26 AM
I just ordered online a couple of those ASP lights mentioned in the NewsMax article.

I going to clip one to my keychain and keep the extra one in my vehicle.:D

March 11, 2003, 08:08 AM
Streamlight Scorpion but I am thinking about a Surefire 6p.

March 11, 2003, 08:18 AM
Scorpion is an excellent light but the rubber "boot" makes pocket carry a little starnge at times so it stays in the safe. I like the Surefire 6p but it doesn't have a clip. I settled on a E2. It is small and has a clip. If I had it to do again, I would buy the E2e because the clip allows for you to clip the light farther into something with less chance to fall out.


March 11, 2003, 11:00 AM
Streamlight Scorpion.

I don't wear tight pants so the rubber sleeve doesn't cause a problem.

I've had it for a few months now and haven't replaced the batteries yet since I just use it briefly when needed. CR123As can be found for $1-$2ea so it's not terrible expensive. Still I think I'm going to get a Photon LED to use when I don't need a whole lot of light. I find the Scorpion is too bright alot of times if I'm trying to look at something really close up.

March 11, 2003, 11:56 AM
I'm looking to get a Surefire 6P or their Nitrolon G2Z for work use, but the daily carry light that has recently caught my eye is from Streamlight.

They've just come out with an LED keychain like similar in looks to ASP's OC keychain. Basically, it's a five-inch aluminum housing with a keychain on one end and some bulbs on the other. This would work as a light source for pre-tripping a vehicle before route or as a defensive kubotan in CQC situations. Like other's have already said, the LED isn't super bright like a surefire, but the long battery life and medium illumination is great for other applications. And being able to use it defensively is a good thing.

edited to add ( www.streamlight.com/batonlite.htm )

El Tejon
March 11, 2003, 01:10 PM
Like Preacherman, I carry a "bug" (aka Photon II) on my keychain and have a bug attached to a Fenwick fly fishing clippers (I took the clippers off and attached the bug) that can be worn inside a jacket or pocket. But, I suspect, Preacher and I have similar influences.

Very handy things to have. Even useful for finding young & nubile ear ring at cozy French restaurant downtown.:p She either thought I was cool, or a geek (remember "ultimate belt" of Comic Book Guy's). Yeah, I know, a geek.

Kentucky Rifle
March 11, 2003, 02:26 PM
I keep a Photon 2 on the key ring of my Leatherman "Squirt". It's always with me. But sometimes I carry a Palight. The Pal has four settings. The Palight is perfect for a carry on bag. (ALWAYS take a small carry on bag with your meds and a change of socks and drawers. You'll realize the importance of a carry on bag when [not "IF"] the airline loses your luggage!) On the "off" setting, the Pal's LED always slightly glows. I can always find it. It provides enough light to read my watch or get the correct pill out of a medicine bottle. Once your eyes get used to the dark, the soft glow of the Pal even will let you find the light switch or light your way to the rest room without disturbing anyone else. The medium setting is actually pretty bright and the bright setting is REALLY bright. The Pal has a lens so the beam reaches out quite far.
The Palight is powered by one 9 volt radio battery and is supposed to glow for two years on the "off" setting. 200 hours on the medium setting and 20 hours on the high setting. It even has a strobe setting. (Only runs eight hours on that one.) The body of the Pal is rubber and dropping it is no problem. My Palights are about all I use any more. The LED is supposed to be good for 100,000 hours and the battery is commonly found and inexpensive and lasts a long time. For a "normal" flashlight, it's about all I need. Incredibly, the Pal costs less than $20.00!


shadow 1
March 11, 2003, 04:50 PM
Surefire just came out with new lights for 03, a model the same size as an E2E, which houses the regular tungsten lamp and three LED's called the Digital Plus model, it's quite cool, plus they also have introduced a model called Digital Lumamax, an all LED light. I believe they are now available from the website, may have to look under new products. I may have mixed up the two so check it out a www.surefire.com

By the way, I carry on a daily basis an E2E with an TID attachment in a kydez carrier I got from www.tadgear.com, along with my G23

March 11, 2003, 04:50 PM
It's the Surefire e2e for me.

Very bright, but still small enough to carry conveniently. I'd like to see one of the e1's for comparison.

March 11, 2003, 04:56 PM
I recently learned quite a bit about LEDs from the candlepowerforum....I have a photon II on my key chain andi t is almost as bright as my 3 LED attitude light that takes four AAA batteries....LED bulbs vary in quality and the photon is about the best out of the key chain lights...tactically, LEDs are not as practical because they flood but don't throw a blinding beam like a good high output lamp...but the upside is battery life.....so for every day tasks the LEDs shine but for your weapon, stick to the surefire or scorpion......

March 11, 2003, 05:15 PM
I have a little Princeton Tec LED squeeze light on my keychain. It works well for finding keyholes, things dropped on the ground at night, etc. I have several other flashlights that I sometimes carry. I pretty much always carry a Surefire E2e.

March 11, 2003, 05:16 PM
Surefire E2e-HA. I just convinced my brother to get one and he couldn't be happier. I'm still using my old 6Z because I'm too broke to pick up an e2e to replace it with.


- Gabe

March 11, 2003, 07:20 PM
For CCW get a Surefire! LED lights just do not "throw" a beam of light ,they are great for illuminating close objects but anything at a distance you need a Surefire. I have both a Z-2 and a E2E and would recommend either. I carry the E2E almost daily just the right size of compactness and candlepower.

Zak Smith
March 11, 2003, 07:37 PM
Surefire E2E-HA. 60 Lumen bulb.


March 11, 2003, 08:33 PM
Surefire's are great I have an E2e-HA and want several more. However, I have just seen light/beam comparesons of Surefires vs the Princeton Tec Surge and I have to say I am impressed. and at less than $25 they are way cheaper than Surefires.

March 12, 2003, 12:28 PM
Surefire E2E-HA modified with bigger clip and lanyard.

March 12, 2003, 04:59 PM
Runt, can you tell us more about the larger clip.


The clip that comes with it is too small-- everyday activities unclip the clip!

March 12, 2003, 07:22 PM
Surefire 6p, goes with me everywhere. Without a doubt the best flashlight I've ever owned. :D :cool:

March 12, 2003, 08:57 PM
Hutch, do a search on the E2e Outdoorsperson. It looks like an E2e but has a longer clip

I think a lanyard may be a good idea.

March 13, 2003, 01:00 PM
Skunkabilly got it right - the E2E has an "Outdoorsman" model - it's the same as the regular E2E, but with a longer clip.

Mine had the original short clip and I broke it. They'll send a free replacement, but I didn't bother, because I like to carry my light tip (bulb) down IWB (easier for me to draw that way). I think their clip is rather cheesy anyway.

I had a bigger, wider steel clip that I attached by winding paracord around it, leaving enough cord to wrap around my fingers, and at the end to make it fit around my wrist. I'll have to do a couple pics to show you. Oleg has the Outdoorsman model, and I'll get him to photograph that also.

March 13, 2003, 01:11 PM
I think you need two lights.

A smaller light, I carry a Scorpion, or other such Streamlight or Surefire.

And a larger aircraft aluminum light, Streamlight/Maglight, that will double duty as an impact weapon. Train with both.

El Tejon.

I have shot at night. My first expereince with this was at My first personal defense course. On the third day when I was felling pretty cocky with my shooting abilities we went out that night and I couldn't hit anything for the first 30 rounds or so. Groups never did tighten up until the second night.:uhoh:

I shoot alot at evening/night now. Necessary training and just plain fun:D

March 13, 2003, 01:19 PM
Just got my Surefire G2 Nitrolon yesterday. For their cheapest model, I am very impressed. The standard 60 lumen light is very bright. I looked at the beam and was seeing spots for 10 minutes. I may order the P61 lamp for a scorching 120 lumens. With that much light at night, you may not need pepper spray!

March 13, 2003, 08:23 PM
I had a Mini Maglite in a neat little belt pouch but it has gotten to where it doesn't want to work unless you tap it on stuff:cuss: . So I'm looking for a replacement!:eek:

March 14, 2003, 10:52 AM
For personal light just to see stuff with, a Photon or Pelican LED on the key ring. For serious light, SF or Streamlight in the 6P/Scorpion family. SF has a high-output lamp assembly for the 6P-Z series that cranks 120 lumens. It eats those $5 batteries rather quickly tho.

March 14, 2003, 10:55 AM
The batteries arent that expensive anymore -- Surefire is selling them for $15 for 12!

May 18, 2004, 05:12 PM
I carry a Pila GL2 every where I go. Neat little light. Has an 80 lumen Xenon bulb for the main lamp and the tailcap is a 5 lumen LED lamp for those times when you don't want a miniature sun. about the same length as a 6P but a bit thicker.

May 18, 2004, 06:53 PM
I carry a Surefire 6P with me everywhere. I'm gonna pick up the 120 lumen lamp as soon as the local shop gets some in, I can't even imagine how bright that is gonna be :D

May 27, 2004, 04:23 PM
I bought a G2 Nitrolon as my first tactical light. Great price, great light. But I keep accidentally activating the thing in my pant pocket! I see that they sell a switch upgrade that looks to be more resistant to this kind of accidental activation, but it's only available fo the higher end models:


Is this the only solution to my problem? going with a higher end flashlight. My aching bank account!

May 27, 2004, 04:57 PM
I use a Glock light - on my Beretta! :eek: It fits, was cheap (compared to the M3s and others anyway), and works. 2 CR123s. - around 60-70 lumens (my estimate).

I often carry a Streamlight "TwinTask" with both LED and 74 lumen Xenon bulb. It works well for what I do with it but the switch would be difficult to index in a REAL emergency. I might get something brighter later.


May 27, 2004, 07:10 PM
Top one sits on my night stand with 120 lumen bulb

The bottom E2D goes with me just about everywere.


May 27, 2004, 07:40 PM
Surefire G2Z on my nightstand. I also carry it when I am out at night, plus take it with me on all trips.

May 27, 2004, 08:11 PM

I am pretty sure that the tailcaps and bazels for the 6P will also fit on the Nitrolon series.

Get ahold of Grant at G&R Tactical, or post in his for sale add to confirm this.

His email is :

May 28, 2004, 10:08 AM
JB Hunter,

Thanks for the tip. I called SureFire instead because I wanted to check out what their customer service was like. The answered the phone promptly. The 6P tailcaps do fit the G2 Nitrolon, but by themself they cost more than the light does. So I think I am going to keep the Nitorolon in a holster in the car as backup.

I ordered a Streamlight Baton (for the keychain), a Pelican M6 LED and a bunch of batteries last night from brightguy.com. If the Pelican doesn't have the light output that I want I'll use it as a camping light, which would make a great application for it regardless, and buy a Surefire G2Z or E2D for daily carry.

May 28, 2004, 09:53 PM
I have an Arc AAA on my keychain and carry a Surefire L4 body with a KL1 head (15 lumens for 3 hours, 2 CR123 batts) wherever I go. I carry the KL1 for longer life as opposed to brightness.

In my bag I always have a Surefire L4 readily accessible.

June 3, 2004, 05:48 PM
I usually carry a Surefire E2E clipped in the weak side pocket.

I also have a M3 on the Glock 23 and a SF G2 for the house. Also keep a G2 in the vehicle also ,with extra batteries.

Mil Novecientos Once
June 4, 2004, 09:29 PM
I have a Mag-Lite Solitaire (http://www.maglite.com/product.asp?psc=1AAACELL&pt=R) on my keychain and carry a Scorpion at night.

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