Thr.....lie Detector Test.....poll


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Topgun
March 12, 2005, 11:40 AM
You're out in the woods where you usually do your shooting. Suddenly..you come upon a derelict VEHICLE. It has no engine, is an old model, the tires are flat, all the dashboard stuff has been stolen, it's sitting on its rims, the glass is all shot out, and there are bullet holes all over it.

WHAT DO YOU DO?

:what: :eek: :D

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nordaim
March 12, 2005, 11:48 AM
I have to admit, yes I would shoot it.

I have an abandoned car out behind the barn where I live that I want to put a few rounds of 5.7x28mm SS192 rds through. Test the penetration through auto glass (windshield and side) as well as through body panels. Hmm... I am off Tuesday....

Nathaniel Firethorn
March 12, 2005, 11:48 AM
This is a trick question. I usually do my shooting at the range. :neener:

- pdmoderator

Sheslinger
March 12, 2005, 12:19 PM
As long as I am in an unpopulated area or gully or something with a solid backstop hell yeah. I've shot a car or two here and there, but in a quarry with walls on three sides.

Always be safe.

Actually the most fun I ever had was shooting a remote control tank with .22s when we were around 19. Once again good backstop, no houses close by etc.

That little tank took an amazing amount of .22 to put down. It was like little 120mm shells striking an Abrams.

Chris

cslinger
March 12, 2005, 12:29 PM
Yeah I did it again my feminine side is strong.

Chris :D

Cyanide_357
March 12, 2005, 12:37 PM
topgun, this target wouldn't be in WV would it? lol.. I highly doubt it... On one of my cousin's property in the back woods, there is a few old vehicles, and washers and crap. I've shot a few into a old vw bug. I also tested out my ss109 against a old steel I-beam. I was amazed that it actually pierced 1/2 inch steel.

Cyanide

BryanP
March 12, 2005, 12:41 PM
*BANG* *BANG* *BANG*

What?

Sindawe
March 12, 2005, 12:48 PM
WHAT DO YOU DO? Look for interesting effects of light and shadow on the carcass? Root about under the thing to see what kind of interesting critters can be flushed out for examination? Observe the area to see what the impact the derelict automobile has had on the environment, say vs. a rock of similar size.?

Shoot it? No. There is not sport in shooting the inanimate dead. Besides, in all likelyhood I've got a bag of "evil cans that need dispatching" with me.
:D

Topgun
March 12, 2005, 01:04 PM
This is a trick question. I usually do my shooting at the range.

What? There's no parkin lot at yer range?

KIDDING.....KIDDING......hmmmmm......

:what: :eek: :evil:

LaEscopeta
March 12, 2005, 01:11 PM
If it is my woods, and I know I have safety down range, I shoot the car. Someone else's woods and I have the owner's permission for general (safe) shooting, I shoot the car. I don't go on public land during hunting season, so I don't shoot anything if the car is on public land.

4v50 Gary
March 12, 2005, 01:24 PM
Nothing wrong with shooting a shot-up car, but I can find more worthy targets.

Rico567
March 12, 2005, 02:18 PM
First, the poll is a forced choice: King Id, is he a rat or a fink? What? Don't I get another choice? Maybe he is none of the above. No, I would not shoot at the abandoned vehicle; yes, I shoot at targets other than NRA approved. So- I won't respond to this poll.

Stevie-Ray
March 12, 2005, 02:26 PM
Since I have never shot at a car, or had a derelict car show up as an "approved" target of opportunity, I don't know what I'd do. Guess I'd have to be faced with the actual choice.

jefnvk
March 12, 2005, 02:27 PM
In my case, it is what I have done, not what I would do :uhoh:

Zach S
March 12, 2005, 02:42 PM
Shoot it? Nope. Not mine, dont know who it belongs too. The way my luck runs, someone got it for one specific part, for example a floorboard or a 1/4 thats not being reproduced (I've done it) and I'd wind up putting a bullethole in that part. It would have had to been put there recently, since I would be on my way to where I usually shoot.

Also, I'm a car guy. So when I look at this:
http://www.apincorporated.com/USAinUSA/28086.jpg

I see this instead:
http://classictrucksweb.com/features/0406cl_55ford_01_z.jpg

Depending on what kind of car was sitting there, I might not be able to force myself to shoot it, no matter how bad off it was.

Red Tornado
March 12, 2005, 02:49 PM
Sure, if I'm plinking in the woods and it appears to be a much used target. It's fair game.
RT

carebear
March 12, 2005, 03:08 PM
Nelson:

Shows what you know. Hey, check this out! (he shoots at an old car) That's my Dad's shooting car. Just three more payments and it's ours.

:evil:

jdkelly
March 12, 2005, 04:09 PM
Okay, I voted NRA targets only, but if that yellow truck was in the woods I'd waste it! :)


Respectfully,

jkelly

Phil Ca
March 12, 2005, 04:25 PM
Just suppose some perp placed the vehicle there inhopes that some one would shoot it full of holes to cover his crime, whatever it is? Then a few days later a deputy appears at your door and wants to talk about a vehicle in the woods all full of holes, what then? just playing devil's advocate here is all.

Personally I have always wanted to find a car that I could use various calibers on as test media. When I was about 12 or 13 a neighbor and i would carry his Stevens single shot bolt action up and over the hill to shoot. There was an old Model-T that was there for years and had aquired a nice patina of rust.

We lifted up the hood and used the engineblock as our target. We took the driver's door and used it as our shooting stand and safety shield. One of us would hold the door upright and take turns holding the rifle through the window. We would take aim and duck our heads and fire at the engine block. The .22LR bullets would richochet off the block and come back and hit the door. They never penetrated the door but it was great "sport" doing that little trick. Of course we never told our mothers of our venture. I believe that I must have been in my 40's or 50's before 'fessed up. :)

Kamicosmos
March 12, 2005, 04:34 PM
I don't wander around the woods shooting at whatever, so I'd pass on the car, simply because I wouldn't be there myself!

Now, if it was my woods I was wandering around in, and found a car...

...I'd be pretty damn ticked off!

Soap
March 12, 2005, 04:54 PM
I believe in property rights even if said property appears as trash to myself. As was said before, someone might have bought it for a specific part such as the fender for a restoration project. How would you feel if you were in that situation and there were a bunch of holes in your property? But then again, if it is parked on your property, get your AR and have fun!

Or how would you feel if someone axed a tree in your yard that was dead?

trickyasafox
March 12, 2005, 06:14 PM
i shot at one of my best buddy's house for about three years from 11-14, he actually had a shooting car in back, and we lit it up with about a brick of 22lr each every week, and yes it was probably the most fun target i've ever had in my entire life! so yes if it was on MY land i dont care who bought it for what, its on my property and ill do with it what i please. dont like it? dont stash your stuff on other people's land. . . . .

thorn726
March 12, 2005, 07:54 PM
i like Zach's response, if there is any hope at all for the car, leave it be.
but where i grew up in LI there were all these fireroads in the woods- we didnt think of it then, but most of the cars were propabably ditched stolen. some were just plain abandoned.
many people shot them up, they were pretty destroyed by the time we got to them.
we were very young, we used hammers , rocks, whatever.

the big problem is these days the vehicle is most likely stolen or crime related, so i would have to think i would not start shtooing at it, plus here in the forest where you can shoot, there are rules, i wouldnt take the chance of a ranger rolling up on me.
besides a car is so big, too easy. i get my "destruction" fun at work hauling junk.

yesterdaysyouth
March 12, 2005, 07:59 PM
are you kiddin me?? we've shot the truck we rode in to the range before... :p

welcome to ky, the teeth are few and far between... :neener:

Missourigunner
March 12, 2005, 08:45 PM
The old "Junker" that you unload on, could be someone elses property. I wouldn't want to explain why I shot it full of holes, even though other people did. :)

cracked butt
March 12, 2005, 08:52 PM
Doesn't take much skill to shoot something 6' high and 10' feet long, waste of good ammo.

I have been known to unload my muzzleloader at the end of a day of hunting at shelf fungi on a tree however.

Mr Bangdango
March 12, 2005, 09:41 PM
I used to shoot at a number of old junked vehicles that were left on the property I shot at all the time. There were a number of us that used the same "range" nice, isolated place in the middle of a large piece of private property. It got kinda boring after a while though. After about a year the owned decided to clean it up becouse those ol junkers became havens for snakes and what not. So we all got together to help tote them off to a junk yard.

Ankeny
March 12, 2005, 10:04 PM
When I was younger, yes I would shoot it. Now, I just leave it alone. It isn't my property and blasting the vehicle just seems to me like contributing to the litter and mess.

Mr. Kook
March 12, 2005, 10:34 PM
My land is not a junk yard. Trash left there would be disposed of in a manner of my chosing.

Hell yeah, I'd shoot at it.

If we're talking about an old rusted out junker why not? No self respecting crook would be dumb enough to steal it. Of course, if the vehicle I found were fairly new and obviously gutted, then I would call the appropriate authorities, and when they said it was my problem, I would shoot the hell out of it, and then haul it off.

Destroying things is fun. Why pass up the opportunity for a good time?

hrb02
March 12, 2005, 11:00 PM
Yeah, gotta say I'd do it. But only after making sure it was totally unusable and not on someone elses land.

Of course, here in the PRK I'd have to wait ten days before I was allowed to shoot the truck and another 30 days if I wanted to shoot it again. :banghead:

Zach S
March 13, 2005, 12:12 AM
Okay, I voted NRA targets only, but if that yellow truck was in the woods I'd waste it! I'm not crazy about the yelow either, the picture I had in my head was dark blue but I didnt want to search for that pic. Finding two pics of the "same" truck took enough clicking.

Hkmp5sd
March 13, 2005, 12:15 AM
*bang*bang*bang*

GRB
March 13, 2005, 12:33 AM
My uncle owned a small farm in upstate NY. At one point, way out in the woods, there were two old cars, real rust buckets. They had to have been out there well over 40 years by now, probably more than 50 years. I passed them in the woods literally hundreds of times in my hikes and during hunts. I never once took a shot at them even though they had quite a few bullet holes each.

A few times I had a look around the area where the cars had been abandoned. I found some nice bottles and some old rusty gas cans and a silver coin (quarter as I recall). Those bottles were worth a few bucks each. I am happy I was curious to look and see what else was left behind by the people who left the cars. I always had it in my mind I might find some bones too, maybe with some bullet holes that were made before the bones were left there, but they never turned up.

I can not say I'll only shoot at NRA targets, but shooting at old cars just never thrilled me. Some of those old rusty cans I found sure got shot full of holes by me, love to see em dance....

ExtremeDooty
March 13, 2005, 12:36 AM
I had a refrigerator present itself under much the same circumstances. My buddy and I found out that a 44mag would go all the way through it.
I always keep a magic marker in my ammo bag to draw small targets on big things whenver needed.

i shot at one of my best buddy's house for about three years from 11-14,

I hope nobody was home when you were doing this. :what: You have a very understanding buddy.

landon74
March 13, 2005, 12:37 AM
I'd be forced, in the name of pseudoscience, to conduct my own penetration tests. :D

ZeroX
March 13, 2005, 12:52 AM
Light 'er up, I would.

Lennyjoe
March 13, 2005, 01:30 AM
abandoned vehicles is not uncommon here in the Sonoran Desert.

The closer to the border the more abandoned vehicles you see.

Last year alone I found 6 vehicles stripped and shot to hell.

Not uncommon for the smugglers to deliver their product (humans or drugs), steal a vehicle, drive to the border, abandon it and walk across back to Mexico.

TimH
March 13, 2005, 08:31 AM
Maybe I would have uloaded on it when I was young but I doubt it. It doesn't belong to me, the property is mine. I walk by thinking "Gee someone could have fixed that up nice". Now if the land is mine.......OPEN FIRE

Seraph
March 13, 2005, 08:37 AM
I wouldn't go shooting up someone else's property, but if I knew that it was indeed a derelict, and not a project, I would definitely haul it to where I could legally do some informal ballistics evaluation.

BlkHawk73
March 13, 2005, 08:49 AM
Not becasue of the "NRA target only" part, but I'd keep walkin'. Shotin some old completely shot out scrap pile of a car does nothing for me. Kinda like shooting a target at the range that already been used for shotgun patterning, why?

ID_shooting
March 13, 2005, 08:54 AM
I posted that I wold walk on by and only shoot at NRA targets, but that is not completely true. I do shoot at other things, and have shot at cars. But these "other" items were brought out specifically to shoot and were packed out when done.

Chut1st
March 13, 2005, 03:24 PM
Need more options. I wouldn't shoot at a car on someone else's land but if it's on my place, it's fair game. We'll shoot at just about any safe target . . . paper, wood blocks, clay pigeons and my favorite with a .454 Casull, a 5 gallon plastic jug full of water. Since the new propane tanks with mandatory check valves have come out, we've shot API (from a safe distance and with appropriate back- and side-berms) at a few old-style tanks that are cheaper to replace than to retrofit.

A local range has cars, appliances and assorted other nonconventional targets set up for the semiannual machinegun shoots.

Majic
March 13, 2005, 05:40 PM
Depending on the model I would ask the land owner if they would like to sell it. Could make a great project restoring it.

fletcher
March 13, 2005, 05:41 PM
^^ Agreed. I wouldn't shoot it unless it was on mine or a friend's land.

Stoney
March 13, 2005, 07:33 PM
If it was a 73 Vega Notchback, I'd go back home for more ammo.That was my first car, and I still want some payback. :cuss:

Texian Pistolero
March 13, 2005, 07:41 PM
Over ten years ago, a friend and I were cruising the backwoods of western PA.

We were both carrying scoped bolt action centerfire.

We looked down a hollow at a ratty old abandoned couch in a junkpile, about 200 yards away, with its back to us.

My buddy raised his rifle, thinking about busting a cap,

just for grins.

He thought meebee, meebee not.

He lowered his rifle.

Just then a hobo/bum got up from the couch, his back to us, and stretched.

He never saw us, unzipped, and started to pee.

I think about that from time to time,

wondering, what if?

Keyster
March 13, 2005, 08:14 PM
Maybe I am just a wuss, but I would pass on old junk targets.
I have spent too much time and effort picking up other peoples junk. :cuss:

Now, if the clowns that left the junk were available.

K.

Detritus
March 13, 2005, 11:28 PM
will only shoot at a junk target i KNOW has not lingering value to it's owner (ie owner is me or someone that i know personally/is there shooting the thing and encouraging others to do so.)

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