[TheOtherOne]

I was doing some googling and came across this random bit of gun talk from the UK:

http://s7.invisionfree.com/The_Archive_Board/index.php?showtopic=37

It's old and the forum looks pretty much dead so I wouldn't even bother responding to that topic. It's great to here from those outside the U.S. that know what's best for America though. I can't wait to be like them. :D

[shermacman]

That was hysterical! Thank you for a badly needed belly laugh!
Just one observation, here we have the British commenting about the "troubles" with American gun ownership and the entire thread was written in the Queen's own English...


It was not written in German.


:scrutiny:

[G36-UK]

Good point. As I've said before, not all of us are like that.

Some are quite reasonable.

[Standing Wolf]

It was not written in German.

Remind them of it some time, eh? You'll never see faster, more frantic back-pedaling.

[Kamicosmos]

I spent some time in the UK. Whenever they would get to dogging on me about some American Law/policy/ideal I would just coldly respond in my best John Wayne voice with:

"Well, pardner, My great great great grandpappy killed your great great great grandpappy about 230 years ago over that very topic..." That would either get a laugh or end the conversation.

Although, I liked the Scots. They were much more open minded about America than the Londoners I worked with the first time I was there. Come to think of it, the Scots weren't to keen about the Londoners either! ;)

[nico]

That's amazing. They take the idiotic "blame video games, TV, and movies" logic from the right, and the idiotic "blame the tool" logic from the left and combine them into a huge pile of absurd crap.

[ProactiveReactionary]

after reading someone's comment about how we americans have a "psychotic attraction" towards guns, i stopped reading and closed the window.

i saw enough ignorance in that statement alone, i didnt need to read more.

[WVleo]

Hi, Thats why we had to lend those ???????s guns to help protect them from the Hun ! Should have let them all get marched into the camps ! How quickly they forget . I work in a cemetery and bury an American citizen weekly who fought to save those pukes ! Now they call us gun crazed ! Some great Empire a little Austrian Painter bitch slapped them to near destruction and B4 He hit them They offered Him anything for peace ! Good thing Chuchill was 1/2 American or they would all Be speaking German over there the spineless winey bitches !!!!!.........................WVleo

[Standing Wolf]

What would the English know about constitutions, anyway? They've never had one.

[giancarlo]

Scotland should be independent anyway. They shouldn't be part of the UK.
IMO

[Joejojoba111]

I agree with the sentiment of the title. The constitution Should be re-examined, and if amendments are warranted they should be pursued in a manner complying with the amending formulae. Nothing wrong with stopping and taking an introspective look around regularly. Of course the difficulties inherent to changing a constitution constitutionally dissuade attempts to do this.

I would much rather see legitimate attempt at an 'update' than subversion. Unfortunately subversion is soo much easier, and sooo much more likely to be successful, with a proven track record to date.

[Nitram68]

Why is it called the UK anyway? Isn't Ireland part of those islands but not part of the 'UK'. Shouldn't it be called AUK? (Almost United Kingdom) :evil:

[ZekeLuvs1911]

Hey WVleo, why don't you tell us how you really feel! :)

[Mornard]

That was some funny stuff, thank you. Now you also know why we'll have to come to their assistance again, in future.

[cpileri]

I agree the COTUS needs some updating.
A footnote or two after each article/ammendment for clarification like:

Am I: This article protects specifically the freedom to engage in political dissent anywhere in the United States, its protectorates, and territories. There are no restrictions: no cordoning off 'free speech zones', no specified areas for protesting need be designated since you can do so anywhere. You can call any president, congressperson, judge, cop, lawyer, etc a lying socialist bastard right to his face as loud and as angrily as you want and you cannot bve arrested nor even officially reprimanded for it. You can disagree with any policy or law from any legislative body or administration any time in any way you want as long as no physical harm is done.

Am II: What we the Framers of the Constitution mean here is that any citizen of the USA can own any firearm, blade, or any other implement of war currently available or that which will be developed in the future he or she desires and can carry it anywhere he or she wants, except as forbidden by the owner of private property on their own land. This shall not be construed to mean that the government in any form can forbid carrying such items in courthouses, the legislators place of business, or any other public edifice or area. This article is expressly made to allow the citizenry to overthrow with force a corrupt government or repel invading enemies, in addition to defend oneself and his/her holdings from criminals and to engage in the sporting uses of firearms ad libitum. Any item necessary to combat those threats and engage in those activities shall be legal for any citizen to own and carry on or about his person, or to store on his property in any manner he/she sees fit.

Am III: The manner described by law shall be rendered null and void on a case-by-case basis if the property owner tells the soldier to leave.
IV: This means that a judge must sign the warrant and there will be no damage to the person or premises to be searched unless necessary to gain entry and then only after asking for permission to enter premises/ search a person has not resulted in peaceful cooperation. No suprise entries: the law enforcers engaged in these activities must always announce their prescence in such a way as to be unmistakeable to the occupants of a structure or area of property to be searched. Only the exact, specific item(s) on a warrant can be searched or seized and any warrant must contain an itemized list of such items so specifically designated as to leave no question that the proper item was obtained. Any vague description or phrase such as 'other items' renders the warrant null and void. If the warrant serving person(s) come to the wrong house and do anything other than remain outside the property/building, announce their presence, and do no damage; they have entered the premises illegally and shall be guilty of trespassing, claims of following proper procedure notwithstanding. You just better get it correct!
V. A person arrested must be charged within twenty-four consecutive hours of arrest or else be set free. All rights enjoyed by a free citizen shall be fully resotred to a person after his sentence for any crime has been served- including and especially the right to bear arms. The person accused of a crime, no matter how violent, cannot have his property confiscated without a warrant for seizure as delineated above. Just compensation is to mean full replacement value: i.e if a person's home is confiscated to build a road- the builder of the road shall only be acting legally if he buys the homeowner a new home and lands acceptable to the homeowner prior to claiming the area to be used for the road. If no agreement can be made, then the rights of the homeowner to stay where he is superceded that of the road builder. This applies in analogy to any potential situation or transaction between a property owner and any other person or entity.
VI. A person arrested and charged as in V above shall be tried in a court of law within twenty-four consecutive hours cumulative per crime charged. Prosecutors must have their case ready to go before arresting the person. All laws alledged to be broken must be made freely and publicly available to the accused, his counsel, and everyone else; and his trial shall be public at his request and his accuser must be present at the trial. There will be no secret laws, no secret courts, no secret trials, and no holding people indefinitely (or even longer than 24 hours, as above) without charges.
etc.
I could go on, but why bother. We all know what the constitution means. Unfortunately, so do those who mean to corrupt it. Even more unfortunately, not enough of the citizens of the US know what the FF meant and that fact allows corrupt politicians to get away with eroding the rights it protects.
C-

[misANTHrope]

There's a specific procedure allowed for in the Constitution by which it can be amended. I trust that that procedure allows for modifications to be done in the most appropriate manner. Therefore, I trust that any current version of the Constitution is the best, and I will continue to defend it to my last breath.

[Joejojoba111]

"I trust that any current version of the Constitution is the best, and I will continue to defend it to my last breath."

That's nice. Too bad it is 'interpreted' to mean something contradictory to the explicit original aims. The populace was supposed to be more powerful than the executive. My understanding is that the people should be debating whether or not to allow police to use new 'citizen-killer' bullets in the controversial 5-7 pistols they wish to purchase, while all free citizens may possess and publicly carry H&K MPSSD6 silenced machine pistols is they so desire.

[xdoctor]

The thing you have to remember is that these are the people who surrendered their weapons because the government told them to. They have set themselves up to become subjects, not citizens. They'll come arond in the end. Maybe.

[mons meg]

You know, in this day and age, the English really need to stop having a Queen. :rolleyes:

[shermacman]

The British are not citizens. They never have been, they are subjects of the Crown. They do not have a Constitution, they have never voted for one, they have never fought for one. And the only reason that they can sit around and pontificate about our Constitution is because we, the gun obsessed Americans, saved their bacon at least twice and probably three times, just last century.

They are free to do so in English. They don't live in German concentration camps or Russian gulags due to our military might and our willingness to use it for the good of others.

The Europeans are on the verge of approving a European "Constitution" that is more than 700 pages thick of pig sty dimensions (no, I am not making that up...) Our Constitution is a blueprint for freedom. Theirs is a bureaucratic pillow for them to rest upon, until it smothers the last of their spirit.

[Typhoon]

"America's gun problem?"

What problem? I don't have a problem with my guns. They behave quite nicely, in fact...

[Parallax]

^ I was just going to say that. What "gun problem" are they referring to :confused:

[DRZinn]

I have seen Americans who have a pistol located right next to their cutlery in their kitchen drawer.I wonder if they make cutlery blocks with a slot for a 1911.... Hate to take the time to open that drawer...

[DSRUPTV]

What a bunch of bozos (not all british, just the ones making the stupid comments). They don't live here so, first of all it isn't even their business how and why we have guns. Secondly, it's scary how many people we can find that do live here and share the same opinions.

[WhoKnowsWho]

There's only 14 members listed for the whole board.

Um, I guess with that small of a group, they have to agree with each other.

[UberPhLuBB]

I agree the COTUS needs some updating.
A footnote or two after each article/ammendment for clarification like:

...

Where is this from? Did you write all that?

[Parallax]

I agree the COTUS needs some updating.
A footnote or two after each article/ammendment for clarification like:
......

**** YEAH! :D

[pax]

Y'know, the opening post is so ironic it almost has to be purposeful.

History of the song he was complaining about, anyone? :confused: :rolleyes:

(Oh, and I'm moving this to L&P. Fits better there.)

pax