Any half-decent, cheap .308 or 30-06 guns?


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Hellbore
March 14, 2005, 02:20 PM
I'm a college student so I'm looking for deals. What is a good bargain for a .308 or 30-06 rifle to use for deer hunting and target shooting?

Also, my nephew inherited a lever-action rifle recently. He says that the rifle says "Winchester 30-30" on it, but it also says 30-06. I don't get it, aren't 30-30 and 30-06 two different calibers? Which kind of ammo does this gun use ???

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nickthecanuck
March 14, 2005, 02:45 PM
I've seen NIB Remington 710 for around $350 with an el cheapo scope.

You could also go the milsurp route and get an Ishapor 2A for about $100.

nickthecanuck
March 14, 2005, 02:49 PM
Whoa, I just saw the last part of your question.

30-30 and 30-06 are two very different cartridges. I would bet money your rifle is a 30-30, that is the most popular lever action cartridge. I don't know why your rifle has two different cartridges on it; maybe you should take it to a gunsmith or more knowledgable person and ask about it.

WillBrayJr
March 14, 2005, 02:49 PM
Forget about the Remington 710 :barf: Remington has a new line of affordable rifles called the 700SPS. The MSRP is $520.00 so you're probably looking at $450.00 out the door.

EghtySx
March 14, 2005, 02:53 PM
I'd have to agree about the Rem 710. I don't see how anyone would be happy with that thing. They are cheap and they look and feel like it.

Hellbore
March 14, 2005, 03:00 PM
What about all these 30-06 Mausers I see? For example, the CDNN catalog has a Mauser model 98 for $369. Is that one any good?

Ash
March 14, 2005, 03:01 PM
The Savage 110 costs the same as the Remington 710 and is vastly superior. It ranks with the Model 700 and Winchester 70. Plus it comes with the superb accutrigger and can be upgraded any number of ways. The 710 is a throw away rifle, the Savage 110 is a lifetime rifle. Plus, the Savage is known for excellent accuracy, durability (has one of the best gas-control systems on the market), and you can change barrels out yourself without a gunsmith if you have the moxy.

Ash

Nathanael_Greene
March 14, 2005, 03:11 PM
I'd go a step further and suggest a used Savage. They're readily available in my neck of the woods (DFW area) for about $250, including a scope, out-the-door.

iamkris
March 14, 2005, 03:31 PM
+1 on the Savage with Accutrigger as a great value gun. All the accuracy and ruggedness you'll need based on your intended uses.

Per your nephew's question on the Win94...he's probably mistaken. Only likely Win lever gun chambered in 30-06 was the Win 95. There's always the possiblility someone rebarreled it but that seems like a long shot.

Hellbore
March 14, 2005, 03:39 PM
Interesting that you mention Savage... My dad has an old Savage. All I know about it is that he said it is a "38" savage. What does the 38 refer to? Does anyone know anything about this gun? He says he'll give it to me if I want it. It's what he used to hunt deer with.

oneshooter
March 14, 2005, 07:37 PM
How about a CMP Garand. 450$ 30-06, a piece of history in your hands. :D

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas
But workin in Mississippi :what:

rust collector
March 14, 2005, 08:43 PM
Savage 99s (lever action) have quite a following, and whether it's that or another Savage, it's always a hoot to shoot a family heirloom. Just have it checked out if it hasn't been shot for awhile, and keep it in good shope for your progeny.

Don't know what the 38 refers to--could be 308 or 358, I suppose. Bears looking into, in any event. And you can't beat the price.

Mannlicher
March 14, 2005, 08:59 PM
get out of the house, and visit pawn shops. so far as the 30/30--30/06 thing, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. its hard to belive anyone with any interest at all in guns can't tell the difference.

greg531mi
March 14, 2005, 09:42 PM
The Ishapoare Enfield and the Israeli Mauser are both in 308, great rifles for deer hunting....I bought mine at auction for $70 each!!! Great bores, and great bolt actions....

Norton
March 14, 2005, 09:52 PM
I'd second the motion on the Savage 110. I got mine for $200 and aside from it bruising the hell out of my shoulder (I really do need to put a pad on that thing) it's a great gun.

Chawbaccer
March 14, 2005, 10:31 PM
If yo got a Walmart there you should find a good deal on a Weatherby Vanguard, or the Savage 110.
You should also find a NEF-H&R single shot for about $170. Very good gun too.
Please don't consider the Rem 710.

Snaps
March 14, 2005, 11:06 PM
I bought my 700 for 325 last year. I tore it apart as soon as i got it but it's a decent price I think.

MrMurphy
March 14, 2005, 11:22 PM
I work in a large gunshop and we've got dozens and dozens of used (both heavily and lightly) bolt actions in .30-06, .308, .270, etc, most around $275-400 depending on who made them, if it has a scope, age, condition, etc. Check your local shop's used rack.

JShirley
March 15, 2005, 12:06 AM
Byron has found some absolutely incredible deals at the local gunshop- like the Parker-Hale customized 7mm Magnum Mauser he found w/ scope for some ridiculously low price. :banghead: :)

Fumbler
March 15, 2005, 12:32 AM
Hows this for rediculously low; WhiteKnight got a Sagave 110 from Walmart for $75.
I wish I was there :banghead:

icecon
March 15, 2005, 01:00 AM
Go with a Savage 110. The only thing about a Savage is they do not have all the fancy cosmetic features that many of the more expensive rifles have. There is nothing cheap about the function or out of box accuracy with them.
I would not hesitate to buy a used one to save a few extra bucks.

Fumbler
March 15, 2005, 01:56 AM
I think I'd spend the extra $50 for a NEF Handi-rifle ($214 at Walmart).
They're more popular and have a good reputation as well as more accessories.

Hellbore
March 15, 2005, 02:32 AM
OK I heard wrong, I asked my dad again, and it's not a 38 savage. He said it is a "300 savage".

I looked at the gun tonight and it says "Savage model 99" on it and it doesn't say what caliber, so I have to assume my dad is right about the 300 part. And yes, it is a lever action, which I find very cool.

Is this a decent caliber? The gun intrigues me because it has some sort of rotary bullet holder inside of it. I think that's kind of cool. It's a very slim and sleek looking gun.

If I was going to get another Savage, would I get 30-06 or 308? I kind of want a 22" or so barrel so probably 308 right? I heard 30-06 needs a longer barrel, more like 24"... Is this true?

ftierson
March 15, 2005, 02:46 AM
Try a Howa Lightning (1500)... They're great guns, and they're reasonably priced. Wal-Mart did have some Weatherby Vanguards (which, of course, are made by Howa) for really cheap prices, and they're great guns too.

If you can get a Savage 110 series rifle for some of the prices mentioned above, it would be a great buy...

Personally, I think that the Howas are much prettier than the Savages (and I have a Savage 112FV which I like very much too, so don't throw rotten tomatoes at me).

The Howas are still prettier...

Gohon
March 15, 2005, 02:58 AM
Hellbore I'm not sure where your getting all your gun information from but a trip to your local shooting club or gun range is a good place to start.

First thing is don't worry about what looks cool because cool doesn't shoot worth a darn. You really should try out some different calibers and styles of guns to see what really fits you and how you feel about shooting them before making your mind up. Have you ever shot a 30-06 or 308 for that matter. For some people and I'm one of them, even though the 30-06 is not known as a punishing gun if the stock doesn't fit me right the 06 will knock the dog fire out of me. On the other hand if it fits me correctly and usually that means a straight stock for me, I can shoot it all day with no problem.

Just as a side not the Savage 99's are great guns in my opinion but they are no longer made. If I were you and your Dad didn't intend to pass the one he has along to you in the future, I would try to buy it from him. If you do by chance stumble upon a Savage 99 in .308 you had better snap it up because that is all the gun you will ever need for hunting up to and including Elk. Hell, there are a lot of Moose that fall to that round every year.

1911user
March 15, 2005, 03:13 AM
300 savage is an older round that is somewhat lower in power than a .308 but otherwise fairly similar and very useful for deer-sized game. You wouldn't have any problem reloading ammo for it IMO; ammo components and load data are available.

JShirley
March 15, 2005, 03:35 AM
Yep. 300 Savage (http://www.ammobank.com/cgi-bin/cshop/store/gaugeshow.tam?pagenumber%2Eptx=1&cartridge%5Fgauge%2Ectx=%2E300%20Savage) is an excellent deer cartridge. I'll have an 99 someday, though I yearn for one in 250-3000. :)

John

oneslowgun
March 15, 2005, 03:56 AM
Something to consider, and most people miss this.... A lot of cartridge/bullet testing you see in the "Gun Rags", is done with a Savage 110 or variant. When you see those glossy pics of some nice tight groups, and read about how "This cartridge/bullet/powder" is "the best for..." whatever... Take a second to look at what rifle was used for the testing. Like as not, it was a Savage.

Hellbore
March 15, 2005, 05:07 AM
I would like to shop the local gun stores and pawn shops... However, I noticed on my Dad's Savage that it doesn't seem to say anywhere what caliber it is.

What's a good way for me to tell what ammo a rifle shoots, if the guy at the shop doesn't know? (i.e. if it's some pawn shop owner who doesn't know)

MrMurphy
March 15, 2005, 08:58 AM
There will always be a marking somewhere on the barrel or reciever that shows the caliber. Trust me. Having handled over 400 rifles in the last couple days trying to find a couple dozen .30-06s and .223s for a pair of guys in a shop with THOUSANDS of weapons, I had to inspect a LOT.

Usually, left side of the rifle, just ahead of the reciever, where the manufacturer's name is, there'll also be listed the caliber.

RoyG
March 15, 2005, 08:58 AM
Has anyone tried the Mossberg ATR 100 (http://www.mossberg.com/atr/100_atr.htm) yet?

You can pick one up at wallymart for under $250 plus tax.

Been on my may buy list for a little while...

kennedy
March 15, 2005, 10:13 AM
just found a savage mod 116(stainless) in 30-06 only 5 boxes of ammo thru it for $275 still thinking about it. would it have the adjustable trigger?

Ash
March 15, 2005, 10:23 AM
The 100ATR is basically the Charter Arms Field King reborn, which was a decent rifle. I would personally rate it better than the 710, but in the same class. For $100 less (okay, $80 less when you add the same scope), it is a better deal.

Now, I have never fired a 710. I looked at it, wanted it, and then held it and lost any desire to own it. I didn't have to drive a Yugo to know I would not want one (even before they revealed as the pieces of crap they were). In the same manner, I can look at the 710, which is a dead end as far as rifles go. It is as good as you can get it. There are no better models of 710. There can be no upgrading, no improving the trigger or stock, nothing. It is built cheap, not just inexpensively, but CHEAP. But, it is priced at the same level as the Savage 110XP, which has an almost infinitely better trigger, better construction, better bolt (much safer bolt as well in the event of case failure), smoother feed (no need for plastic to dress up a crappy reciever), can can be upgraded down the road should the shooter want more. When you get a Savage, you have all the room you need to improve it cosmetically or ergonomically.

With the 710, that's it, that's all you get. Nothing else. The magazine attachment is weak, the bolt depends no plastic inserts to operate properly, and the trigger is nothing to talk about. For the same price of a Savage, it is piece of crap.

Now, if the 710 were the price of the Mossberg ATR, then it would be different. I would still not like it, but at least it would be priced less. Hi-Points are cheaply made firearms that are ugly and have no future, but they are at least priced that way. But nobody would buy a Hi Point that was the price of a CZ-75. The Remingotn 710 is like Smith and Wesson introducing a pistol built just like the Hi Point but charging the same price as the CZ-75. Folks might brag that their pistol shot well, but the fact remains it would not be worth the price.

The Emperor has no Clothes.

Ash

Ash
March 15, 2005, 10:27 AM
You can tell immediately if it has the accutrigger just by looking at it. Otherwise, you will need to remove the action from the stock and look at the trigger to see if it has adjustment screws. The Savage-made trigger will have two screws on the trigger itself and one on the housing (to adjust weight). A timney will be very similar, but the leaf-spring used by Savage will be discarded in favor of a coil housed within the trigger itself. As a result, it will have three adjustment screws on the trigger, one in front of the blade like the factory adjustable to change let-off, and two behind, one to adjust over-travel and the other to adjust weight of pull. The factory trigger cannot be adjusted for over-travel, but that isn't really a problem. I cannot vouch for the SharpShooterSupply trigger as I have never used one.

Ash

foghornl
March 15, 2005, 10:35 AM
I have a Mossberg ATR-100 in .30-06.

STILL haven't had a chance to fire it yet...One local range only allows center-fire rifle on Mon-Wed-Fri, and guess what...I work Mon-Fri.

Decent looking rifle, though...fit & finish are acceptable, 22" barrel has "Weaver" style scope bases already installed. Black synthetic stock. It looks a lot like the Savage 10-11 series, construction-wise, with 2-pillar bedding, free-float barrel, etc.

Got a bunch of ammo to try from 147-gr FMJ up to 220Gr Rem soft-point.

With some careful perusing of the close-outs, and hard bargaining since the barrel finish was scratched a bit from being in the rack, I was out the door for under $315 with rifle, Simmons Blazer 3-9x50 scope, sling, Uncle Mike's QD swivels, and Leupold Hi-Rise rings. Now, if it will hold minute-of-Bambi, I'm set.

Rifle alone was priced $244, got them (Wally World) to knock off $25 for the barrel finish scratches.

Poking around a bit on Remington's web site, the .300 Savage has a bit of an edge on the .30/30, but not not quite as hot as the .30-06, with about the same bullet weights {170 Gr in .30/30, 180 Gr in .300 Savage & .30-06}

.30/30 2200 FPS at the muzzle
.300 Savage 2350 FPS
.30-06 2700 FPS

So, if you have the .300 Savage,, you would be pretty well set for anything on the Continental US.

jefnvk
March 15, 2005, 11:34 AM
Savage. My friend got a 110 on closeout at a local gunshop for $200 NIB. He loves it, it shoots as good as my Remington 700.

I'd go with Ash on the 710. Never shot one, but I don't like it. I know of one shop that says they won't carry it. And when it is priced about the same (in some places, more) than the Savage combo, I don't know why people would buy it.

I also have a friend that has a Savage 99 in 300 Savage. That is a NICE gun. I would not hesitate to buy one if the price were right.

rust collector
March 15, 2005, 11:28 PM
If there is no caliber designation anywhere on the Model 99, better get a chamber cast to make sure. Most of the early ones were 250-3000 or 300 Savage, but don't even think about loading it if you aren't certain the ammo is right.

Dad should know, and probably has some ammo for it or empty cases that can be reloaded. Most civilian firearms bear a caliber legend, but I'm not familiar with 99s... Might have had a new barrel installed or a rechamber, so don't take any chances.

When it comes to .308s I'm a Tikka T3 fan, but it's a little outside the budget. There should be lots of good used rifles out there if time isn't critical. The 308 is a popular chambering because of the GI background, so just about any bolt action sold has included the 308 option. Then again, if the 99 is a 250 or 300 Savage, you've got a good deer gun and may want to think about a .223 for varmints and paper punching.

WhiteKnight
March 16, 2005, 12:15 AM
Hows this for rediculously low; WhiteKnight got a Sagave 110 from Walmart for $75

That wasn't me. :(
I think it was misanthrope.

Fumbler
March 16, 2005, 03:29 AM
You're right, it was him.

My memory sucks.

airbornekyle1
March 17, 2005, 12:45 AM
you should pick up the weatherby vanguard its msrp is $475.00 it comes in all sorts of calibers my favorite is the 7mm rem.mag. you can hunt everything from deer to grizzly.

rwc
March 17, 2005, 01:11 AM
Tikka T-3 in .308. Mine likes Hornady 165 gr. BTHP Match.

Have fun.

RoyG
May 2, 2005, 11:17 AM
foghornl,

I have a Mossberg ATR-100 in .30-06.

STILL haven't had a chance to fire it yet...One local range only allows center-fire rifle on Mon-Wed-Fri, and guess what...I work Mon-Fri.

Have you gotten to the range yet?

Father Knows Best
May 2, 2005, 12:42 PM
Hellbore, if you want to get rid of that 99, send me a PM. I know a guy in Georgia who has been looking for one in 300 Savage. It's the rifle he hunted with as a teenager. I can't remember if it's the 99E or 99F he wants, but he'll pay top dollar for one in very good condition.

Secondly, any gun shop probably has a dozen or more bolt action deer rifles in stock right now. This is the off season, and they just don't sell. Guys come in almost every day wanting to sell their deer rifles, and most shops have so many on the rack they won't even consider it, for any price. Depending on where you are, .30-06, .308, .243 and 7mm are the most common. .30-06 is the cheapest in the southeast, just because there are so many of them and nobody seems to want them. Gun shops can't give away .30-06 bolt action sporters.

Use that to your advantage. Don't buy new. Shop for good used hunting rifles now, in the off season, while they're not moving. If the gun shop says the price is $400, offer $250. They may well take it just to move the darn thing.

In fact, the guy I mentioned who wants a 99 in 300 Savage works at the same gun shop as my dad. It's in Georgia just a little ways northwest of Atlanta. They've got a dozen or so bolt action hunting rifles, and they'd love to get rid of them. He'd probably give you one of them and some cash for that 99.

Joe Meyer
May 2, 2005, 12:47 PM
I have a Savage 110 in 30-06 . It is one great gun! :cool:

RoyG
August 5, 2005, 11:33 AM
foghornl

I have a Mossberg ATR-100 in .30-06.

Do you have a range report yet?

rgs1975
August 5, 2005, 01:15 PM
I've used my Enfield SMLE .303 for deer hunting and it works beautifully :) You can pick them up easily for under $100.

tuna
August 5, 2005, 02:23 PM
Looking at used guns, don't forget the "sleepers". My buddy asked me to clean his rifle and see if I could do anything about the trigger. The trigger was so bad he was willing to sell it to me dirt cheap, until I told him that his "Sears Mod 55" is really a Winchester Mod 70 with an ajustable trigger. He decided not to sell :banghead: :banghead:

Dr.Rob
August 5, 2005, 02:58 PM
Boy howdy...

Savage makes a fine rifle in bolt or lever action... you just don't see too many old timers parting with them (the model 99s) over time (a LONG time) the model 99 has a weak point where the stock connects to the action but only if the wood has had excess oil seep into it.

CZ USA makes a great line of true mauser actioned rifles at a reasonable price with nice features that make great hunting rifles, I'd give themn a good look over as well.

As far as really cheap... there are any number of rebarelled/sporting mausers available on the market as package deals for under $300, but if you want to buy NEW, check out your local Wal-Mart for 'package deals' and 'close out' sales.

I've hunted with Savage rifles exclusively for nearly 20 years. I highly recommend the 116 line.

CB900F
August 5, 2005, 03:24 PM
Hellbore;

Go back & re-read MrMurphy's post. I'll strongly second his suggestion.

900F

GunGoBoom
August 5, 2005, 09:44 PM
I saw a sporterized P17 Enfield at a recent gun show for $180, private collection! Talk about a great deal in a fine .30-06 rifle. Of course, had it not been sporterized, it would be worth $500 or more as a collectible. Beyond that, a Savage Stephens line turnbolt in .30-06 or .308 would be a heck of a good gun at about $250.

ajax
August 7, 2005, 12:40 AM
It seems savage gets a great big hooray but I would like to recomend that Charles Daly. I recently bought one new. I got the superior grade and i paid more than i would have for a field grade but it was worth every dime it looks good shoots great and i wouldn't trade it for a savage for any reason. I would imagine the field grade would be more your price range if your shootin for cheap. :)

GunGoBoom
August 7, 2005, 01:01 AM
How much for said Chuck Daly? And where from you bought? (tonto lingo)

CB900F
August 7, 2005, 08:24 AM
GunsGoBoom;

Earlier this year I purchased a Charles Daly LHB mini-Mauser in .223. It was also the superior grade. I believe I paid about $475.00 for it at the local gun emporium. Did a review on it here at THR, shouldn't be too hard to find.

I'm still working up loads for it, so it wouldn't be fair to comment on the accuracy.

900F

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