Abused Universal M1 Carbine


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Magnuumpwr
March 14, 2005, 11:31 PM
Guys, I need some help here. Awhile back I was wondering around a pawn shop and noticed this M1 carbine, barrel down in a trash can. Being me, I picked the rifle up and inspected it. The trigger guard was broken off but looked fine other than that. The owner of the shop said that the gun fired but would not fire consecutively. If you are familar with guns you can guess what was wrong with it already. :o I paid the guy $25 for it and left. The sear problem has been corrected, but the trigger housing is hounding me. Anyone know where I might be able to find a replacement one short of buying another rifle?

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Infidel
March 14, 2005, 11:55 PM
Have you tried http://www.sarcoinc.com/m1c.html ?

(Front door,-- http://www.sarcoinc.com/ )

Grump
March 15, 2005, 12:36 AM
Question is, how much, if any, different is the Universal trigger housing assembly from the USGI units? I've never been around a field stripped Universal Carbine... :confused:

Magnuumpwr
March 15, 2005, 12:39 AM
Infidel, not sure if you noticed but it needs to be a Universal. From what I have read the mil. surplus will not work on my rifle. If I am unsuccessful in finding one, I'll probably just buy one of the mils and do some work to mate them together and miter the stock to match.

Magnuumpwr
March 15, 2005, 12:42 AM
Hey guys, give me till tomorrow and I will strip my rifle and post some pics of the housing along with some mil housings for comparison.

Third_Rail
March 15, 2005, 12:43 AM
That is a DEAL. Good find, I'm certain you'll be able to fix it up no problem.

musher
March 15, 2005, 12:48 AM
rumour has it that you can modify a usgi m2 housing to work

http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-40.html

might be worth an email to this ebay guy to see who made his 'non-usgi' trigger housing.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=585&item=6517683373&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

masp7
March 15, 2005, 01:02 AM
Try Jack First-
http://www.jackfirstgun.com/index.html

or

Numrich Arms-
http://www.e-gunparts.com/

Infidel
March 15, 2005, 02:36 AM
not sure if you noticed but it needs to be a Universal. From what I have read the mil. surplus will not work on my rifle.

Oops. My bad. Sorry. I kinda blipped over that part....

Magnuumpwr
March 15, 2005, 10:17 AM
Sorry about that Infidel, I didn't mean any offense by that, but everything I've read about the M1 carbines say that the parts are not interchangable.

Kramer Krazy
March 15, 2005, 10:26 AM
If you aren't worried about "looks", maybe someone can braze a guard onto the housing for you, or something similar.

Chipperman
March 16, 2005, 12:26 PM
Bah!

Trigger guards are for pansies!

:p

$25 is a great deal. Even if you throw $150 into it, you'll still be ahead.
Sounds like a fun project (if a little frustrating at times).
Good luck with it.

Navy joe
March 16, 2005, 12:42 PM
Well, good luck with it, my one experience is that Universals are pure crap. I bought one at a gunshow, my second gun, obviously not knowing what I know now. I drove to the range that day and put 500 rds through it...almost. Broke on about rd. 450. The area of the oprod that engages the boltlug cracked and started to come to pieces, not a quality part like a GI oprod where the recess for the bolt lug is substantial and milled out, rather than a piece of 1/8" stamped steel. That said, I still have the trigger housing with all internals, bolt, and rear sight, all can be yours if you need them. PM me if interested.

Magnuumpwr
March 17, 2005, 02:22 AM
Navy Joe, not sure if you got it, but I floated a PM to you yesterday. Posting this let you know I am interested, very interested!! :D

Glockster35
March 17, 2005, 03:22 PM
Magnuumpwr,

As I understand it (I also have a universal) if your carbine has one recoil (not sure if that's the technical term) then most USGI parts will fit. If you have two springs, you are SOL!

Again, I am not an expert, but this is what I have read and been told by those in the know.

Anyway if NavyJoe fails you, then try to find someone who will let you try their trigger group.

Good luck

Magnuumpwr
March 17, 2005, 03:39 PM
Glockster, my rifle belongs to the group in the later part of your statement. Hopefully the parts Joe has will be close enough to remedy my problem.

Ian Sean
March 18, 2005, 07:19 PM
Navy Joe Said:

The area of the oprod that engages the boltlug cracked and started to come to pieces

I fully agree, inspect this area clesly, also you may benefit from an entirly new spring kit, a friend had a universal, we cleaned her up (heavily fouled and abused over the years) Would not cycle worth a darn. We wound up changing out the springs. She is a reliable rifle now...just took a little work.

Wolf Springs (http://www.gunsprings.com/1ndex.html)

Look up rifles/m1 carbine, scroll down, last item is for universal (dual recoil spring). Note they also have new magazine springs.

Honestly I think you did well for $25...Good Luck! :)

g56
March 19, 2005, 12:28 AM
I bought a Universal in the late 60's, it has always functioned perfectly with military ball ammo, it doesn't feed soft points very well, I have had no problems with mine at all.

NH AR Shooter
March 19, 2005, 01:54 AM
If it is an early production Universal with the single recoil spring, it should be fine with GI replacement parts.

If it has the twin spring setup, its not compatible with much of anything.

And some of those with the Twin spring had a problem with firing out of battery. (Boom) :eek:

4v50 Gary
March 20, 2005, 05:34 PM
Look, it's a Universal and a shooter. Whack a piece of metal into shape fit it to the trigger housing. Afterwards silver solder it in place. File and paint makes it what it aint. :p

Joshua Hutchison
March 20, 2005, 05:55 PM
Well, may i ask why the universal departed from the GI design? im sorta curious because of the way it sounds that it had no purpose to be changed...

NH AR Shooter
March 21, 2005, 03:44 AM
Well, may i ask why the universal departed from the GI design? im sorta curious because of the way it sounds that it had no purpose to be changed...

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Plainfield made their carbine with GI receivers and GI spec parts, eventually Universal took over, these parts ran out, so Universal started making their own, and found a cheaper way to do it. The twin spring Universal only looks like a carbine, it is not, it is the reason Universal carbines have a bad rep.

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