[fjolnirsson]

I picked this little gem up from Kim Du Toit's site.
Chills my blood, it does. At the same time, it makes me see through a RCOB.
As Kim says, just ignore the date on this, the socialist gun grabbing ninnies would impose this stuff tomorrow, if given a chance.....
It's a bit long, but if you can stand it, read through the whole thing. We owe it to ourselves to remember what the eventual goal is....

Handgun Control Inc. (http://members.aol.com/ussportmen/hciplan.htm)

[sharpie613]

I just read that myself...

I can't believe they wrote it down, though it does fit with what I know about what they want done. I hope the AWB going bye-bye was a wake-up call to these morons. They were the only ones who seemed to care...

[fjolnirsson]

Sharpie, I just left the East Bay in Dec. Where are you?

[YammyMonkey]

Oddly enough, I was both angered and very happy to read that. Angered that such things were proposed, and the insanity with which these people seem to function, but also happy that none of the stuff I read has passed.

[Bobothebigdog]

No need to worry. If they had their way they'd also have a large violent revolution to deal with. ;)

[S_O_Laban]

It's been some time since I've read the link....as others have mentioned, I went through a whole list of emotions.....everything from red hot anger to hilarious. It makes me think some people are just mentally ill and don't know it. :uhoh:

[Remington788]

Can you say "From my cold dead fingers" :cuss:

[Black Dragon]

This document has been passed around since the mid/late 1990's. I posted
it on TFL at one point and a bunch of people thought I was promoting it. I
got some real nasty e-mail and some phone calls that you would not believe -
From BOTH sides.

At that time I was told it was junk. Not to sure about it now. I'll have to see
if I have an electronic format of the document

[Black Dragon]

Here is the document from 1999
As it was passed to me at that time
****************************************************

The below was passed to me as legit and posted here for educational
purposes. The anti-gun organization(s) will never admit it due to the
extreme constitutional violations mentioned in their list, but I don't think
the constitution is very highly respected within their ranks!
"HCI" is an abbreviation for Handgun Control Incorporated


This is the complete HCI Agenda for the next five years, minus the cover.
This document is marked confidential on each page it was transcribed from.

[ All 11 pages this was transcribed from are marked CONFIDENTIAL by
Handgun Control Incorporated ]

After the meeting, the following ideas were the result of a brainstorming
session to guide the focus of gun control initiatives over the next five years.
These may not be politically feasible ideas for 1999, but we are confident
that with continued pressure we can achieve most if not all of these goals
within the next five years. The following list is condensed from our
meeting in which we considered the best ideas for public safety
expansion. The time is right for action.

FIVE YEAR PLAN:

LICENSES:

1 National Registration of all Handgun purchase
This is at the top of our list, however, the political climate may be right
to initiate this step immediately. Please refer to our memo outlining our
ideas on how this should be executed.

2 License for Rifle and Shotguns/MUST HAVE PREPURCHASE
APPROVAL PERMIT
We should take our cues from Great Britain. Strict licensing should be
mandatory for all firearms, whether handguns or not.

3 State Licenses for ownership of firearms/NO LISC,NO GUN
We want to take a workable idea from Great Britain, whereas, we should
require the states to issue strict licenses for possession and require the
licenses to be signed by at least three public officials - i.e. the police
chief, the city attorney and the mayor, for example, to eliminate
ownership by dangerous individuals. It is reasonable to require that all
individuals must prove to the signers that they require a firearm. This
should be attached to any legislation required purchasers to show a need
for a firearm.

4 Reduction of the number of guns to require an Arsenal license
Right now the proposed Arsenal licenses which Senator Fienstien should
be pushing for, requires an "Arsenal License" for those people who feel
they need more than 20 guns and 1000 rounds of ammunition. We feel that
number is too generous, due to the fact that any number of guns
constitutes a grave threat to the safety of the community, we suggest
strongly that this license limit be reduced to possession greater than 5
guns and 250 rounds of ammunition.

5 Arsenal License Fees/MIN $25000.00 DEPOSIT
It is not unreasonable to require a yearly fee for an Arsenal license to be
at least $300.00, with a cap of $1000.00. The money collected can be used
to defray the immense medical costs directly attributed to these deadly
weapons.

6 Limits on Arsenal Licensing/MAX WEAPONS CARRIED IN INVENTORY
No Arsenal Licensing to be permitted in COUNTIES/CITIES with populations
of more than 200,000.

7 Requirement of Federally Approved Storage Safes for all guns/ NO HOME STORAGE ALLOWED
We should follow Great Britain's lead on this. All licensed gun owners
should be required to have a storage safe which meets minimum federally
mandated requirements. This step would reduce the tragic accidents which
claim the lives of tens of thousands of children a year and make it more
difficult for burglars to steal the guns.

8 Inspection License/JUSTICE SUPPORTS NO WARRENT TO ENTER AND SEARCH
Another good revenue source would be mandatory inspection licensing of
all safes. Each safe would be registered with a specific serial number and
the serial numbers and types of weapons stored should be on file with
federal and state authorities. Since unannounced inspectors can insure
that all declared weapons are being properly stored, all safe licenses
should have an additional yearly fee to offset the cost of these spot inspections.

Public Safety Regulations:

9 Ban on Manufacturing in cities/counties with a population of
more than 200,000.
Guns are being built all the time and the number of licensed manufacturers
are too great to justify the threat to public safety. This is a small step to
reduce the number of these shops where anything, even machine guns, are
being built every day.

10 Banning all military style firearms/NO EXCEPTIONS
NATIONAL CONFISCATION PROGRAM SUPPORTED BY JANET
RENO-JUSTICE
The TOTAL National ban on all Assault Weapons, based on a point system
can be expanded to eventually cover any firearm with a remotely military
appearance. We feel that this aggressive appearance appeals to the type
of dangerous individuals who are a definite threat to public safety. We
hope that this point system can eventually be expanded to high powered
air guns and "paint ball" weapons, which can inflict great damage, and
with a little effort can be converted to real guns.

11 Banning of any Machine Gun Parts or parts which can be used
in a Machine Gun.
Periodicals such as "The Shotgun News" particularly cater to individuals
which wish to build illegal machine guns. If Senator Feinstein's
courageous section of the crime bill is successful in banning all machine
guns, except for police and military, then there would be no legitimate
need for Machine Gun parts except to build illegal weapons.

12 Banning the carrying a firearm anywhere but target range
or in transit from one to the other.
We should institute a federal mandate to the states to strictly regulate
the carrying of a firearm, even hunting.

13 Banning replacement parts (mfg., sale, possession, transfer,
installation) except barrel, trigger group.
Thousands of people are building illegal weapons every day. We can put a
dent in this by banning parts and parts kits, except whose items like the
barrel and trigger group, which are most likely to wear out due to use.

14 Elimination of the Curio Relic list, IE: MUZZLELOADERS,
CAP-BALL
A gun is a gun. Even an old gun can kill people. This is a loop hole in the
federal law which has allowed thousands of dangerous weapons to be
distributed unchecked. This regulation, if enacted, would automatically
eliminate the need for a Curio or Relic collector's license. All handguns,
rifles and shotguns would fall into the same category as their modern
counterparts.

15 Control of Ammunition belonging to Certain Surplus Firearms
Senator Moynihan has already proposed a tax or ban on .22 LR, 32 ACP, and
9 mm ammo, however, it has been pointed out to us that there is an
extreme proliferation of high powered surplus rifles (i.e. the Mosin-Nagant
series and Enfield series) in which the wholesale prices are as low as
$45-$75. We suggest that to control the proliferation of violence
associated with the large numbers of these types of weapons entering this
country that we ban the importation of their ammunition, 7.62x54R and
.303 R surplus ammunition.

16 Eventual Ban of Handgun Possession and TOTAL CONFISCATION
This may be closer to reality than many of us think. Handguns are
becoming increasingly unpopular and we think that within five years we
can enact a total ban on possession at the federal level.

17 Banning of Any ammo that fits military guns (post 1945)
With the proliferation of high powered weapons, including semi -
automatics and automatics from World War II, we suggest following the
lead of Mexico, by prohibiting the sale, manufacture, possession or transfer
of any caliber fitting a military firearm in service with a recognized
military force after 1945.

Ammunition and Explosives:

18 Banning of any quantity of smokeless powder or black powder
which would constitute more than the equivalent of 100
rounds of ammunition.
With the bombing the World Trade Center, it has been made clear that we
must reinforce the above proposed regulation with this additional
notation. It is arguable that none has any real need to have so much
dangerous material on hand.

19 Ban on the possession of explosive powders of more than 1
kilogram at any one time.
Gun nuts are notorious for circumventing the intent of the law, so we can
reinforce the above proposed regulation with this additional notation. This
additional language can be useful in preventing "bomb-maker" and other
dangerous individuals.

20 Banning of High Powered Ammo or Wounding ammo
In addition to the banning of military calibers, there is a plethora of
dangerous rounds which are too high powered for sporting use. This
includes the highest calibers of pistol and rifle ammunition (of note are
the monster calibers for rifles and pistols, like the .50 caliber Desert
Eagle Bullet). We should not forget the lessons learned with the insidious
Black Talon Ammo. Hollow points, Glaser killing rounds and other types of
ammunition designed specifically for maiming should be prohibited.

21 A National License for Ammunition
This is an idea whose time has come. We should look at a Federal License
for purchasing of ammunition of all kinds. A special form should be
forwarded to a new federal office to track those who are purchasing too
much ammunition. Remember that a gun is useless without ammunition.

22 Banning or strict licensing of all re-loading components
Ammunition regulation laws can be regularly bypassed by home loaders,
creating an underground cottage industry of ammo manufacture.
Possession or purchase of re-loading equipment and machines should be
restricted and those who wish to use specially loaded ammunition can go
to a federally licensed 're-loader'.

23 National Registration of ammunition or ammo buyers
Fees collected from the national licenses should go towards a nationwide
database of ammo buyers, with a possible background check to eliminate
the purchase of dangerous ammo by felons or mental patients.

24 Requirement of special storage safe for ammunition and
licensing
Like the storage safe for guns, there should be a national requirement for
special safes to store ammo. These safes should be tamper proof and
fireproof and be registered themselves so that on the spot inspections can
be held. Again, the costs for these inspections can be absorbed by the
license fees.

GUN RANGES:

25 Restricting Gun Ranges to cities/counties with populations
less than 200,000
The obvious threat to public safety of shooting ranges and stray bullets
has been lost on many states and counties. We can initiate a federal
mandate or incentives to get states to prohibit any kind of shooting range
within a county with a population of more than 200,000.

26 Special Licensing of ranges
Those ranges which conform to the previous requirement should get
special licensing above and beyond that which is required now. Additional
each existing or new shooting range must get in writing the permission of
all property owners within a radius of seven miles.

27 Special Range Tax to visitors/ $1000.00 per year, per gun
Additional revenue can be a surtax on ranges, requiring the collection of a
minimum per gun. This can be in addition to required membership fees,
upon which the state and local governments get a sizable portion, to help
defray the immense cost of gun violence.

28 Waiting period for rentals on pistol ranges/2 weeks
It has been suggested in the past that felons can acquire pistols and other
automatic weapons without a background check by renting a gun on a
target range. Deranged individuals are basically being given a license to
'practice hunting humans' at these so called 'sporting ranges'. We think
that a national waiting period for gun rentals is yet another idea whose
time has come.

Activities which promote Gun Violence

29 Banning Gun Shows/totally
Illegal transfers and the sales of assault weapons and submachine guns is
a common event at these so called gun shows. A huge dent can be made in
the illegal trafficking of weapons by banning these shows altogether.

30 Banning of military reenactments/under subversion of govt.
laws
The questionable "historical" value of these events has escaped public
scrutiny for too long. Many of these so called historical events are mere
excuses for gun nuts to blast the countryside with automatic weapons.
What is to keep them from loading live bullets and having those stray
bullets kill innocent children? What lives in the future will be lost due to
this paramilitary training going on right under our noses? We propose the
prohibition of Survivalist / paramilitary, World War I and World War II and
Civil War Re-enactment's on federal land, and hope to encourage the states
to prohibit them from state and county lands as well.

31 Making unlawful the assembly of more than 4 armed
individuals who are not peace officers or military
Since most hunting parties consist of four, we recognize the need to
eliminate the currently legal assembly of shooters for paramilitary
training on private lands. This is just one good suggestion for our
elimination of the "gun culture" from the mainstream.

32 Eliminate hunting on all public lands.
Blood sports are an anathema to a civilized society, however, it has been a
political reality that the hunters and their ilk have too strong of a
strangle hold on Congress. We feel that the impending defeat of high tech
assault "killing machines" will open the door to restrictions. With the
diminishing number of hunters, we feel that perhaps in five years we can
open up much more of our country to campers and hikers, and eliminate the
threat to families out camping, by looking at much more restrictions as to
what parcels of land will allow hunting. This will not infringe on right to
hunt on private land.

33 Making Gun Owners Records and Photos matter of public
record
We would have to assemble a legal team, in order to investigate the
balance of the right to privacy and the right to safeguard public. We fully
endorse the photographing and fingerprinting of all gun owners, however,
these records are usually relegated to law enforcement only. We think that
it would be a good idea to make these records public, so that the
communities can have the knowledge of who poses a danger to their
community before disaster strikes. We realize that this proposal would
probably be controversial, thus a long public affairs campaign would have
to be initiated in order to build public support and ease the transition of
such an idea. We feel that this idea has merit, and can be justified via
the past publication of the names of water wasters during the drought,
customers for prostitution, and deadbeat parents who are delinquent on
child support.

34 Random Police Checks for Weapons (like sobriety
checkpoints) WITHOUT WARRENTS OR REASONABLE CAUSE.
This idea was floated before in California in 1998, where some thought it
would be a great deterrent to gang related crimes for police to do sweeps
for gang weapons. Right now this idea may have some resistance, however,
the political climate can become right to initiate these random vehicle
stop and checks at all levels and in all types of neighborhoods. If we
continue to mainstream the pressure we can make this a reality.

THE NEXT FIFTEEN YEARS:

With all that is going on, who knows what is possible in the next few
years? With murders in the streets, and the public fed up, and the once
mighty thugs of the Gun Lobby whimpering in impotence we have an
opportunity to change the face of America for the better! Previously we
thought that it would take at least a century to eliminate dangerous
weapons and guns from the public hands, but now with allies in the White
House and Congress, we can accelerate this trend, and make the barbaric
NRA extinct!!!

Here are some ideas to consider for the long term:

Banning of military accouterments
Essential to the Neanderthal gun culture are the typical military clothing,
camouflage, pouches, and gear, boots and other combat gear. They
euphemistically refer to this as 'militaria'. Elimination of the future sale
of these items will cripple the culture of violence well into the 21st
century.

Stricter guidelines for violence in television and the movies
We should look at the possibility of victims of violence by copying an act
on television and the movie or video screen, suing the makers of such
shows for compensation to their suffering. If the industry cannot regulate
itself, we may have to eventually look at an independent branch of
government, to determine which scenes cause more harm than good to the
public and regulate the numbers of violent acts portayed.

The total Elimination of arms from Society
We cannot survive into the 21st century unless we remember the need to
expand our wave to new thinking to the total disarmament of America.
With much of the public disarmed we can become more like Great Britain,
where we can also eliminate the need for much of our police to be armed.
This would take a long time, however, a concerted public relations
campaign can pressure local law enforcement to give up their arms, when
the time comes. Weapons, would be still available to special units like
SWAT or the military.

Control of Dangerous literature (Bomb making, machinegun
conversions, etc...)
Too much irresponsible material is purportedly covered by the 1st
Amendment, however, the time will come when our nation has to agree
that some literature does not belong in a safe society, like instruction
manuals on how to kill, or how to make homemade explosives, or nuclear
bombs. We must realize that there can be such as thing as too much
freedom where such literature poses a serious threat to the public safety.

1999 sounds the death knell for the bully tactics of the NRA and the
culture of violence in America!!

We are pressing on all fronts and much of this can become reality sooner
than we expect. With the loss of power and clout of the NRA and their
various smaller crony orginizations crumbling to dust, we can eliminate a
200 year old license to murder into history, and enter the 21st century a
safer place for our children and our children's children.

* Elimination of the Department of Civil Marksmanship, long considered a
sacred cow and a dinosaur from the Cold War years (Thank you Mr.
Clinton!!!).

* Ban on possession of a firearm within a home located within 1000 feet
of a school yard.

* Ban on all realistic replicas/toy guns or non-firearms capable of being
rendered realistic.

* The right of victims of gun violence to sue manufacturers and dealers
to be affirmed and perhaps, aided with money from government
programs.

* Taxes on ammo, Dealers licenses & guns to offset the medical costs to
society.

and...

* the eventual ban of all semi-automatics (regardless of when made or
caliber).

[beerslurpy]

1994 SOUNDS THE DEATH KNELL FOR THE BULLY TACTICS OF THE NRA AND THE CULTURE OF VIOLENCE IN AMERICA

More like a death knell for their friends in congress who got thrown out of office for voting for the AWB. 10 years later I own more guns and ammo than I ever would have imagined.

[answerguy]

Unless someone can provide a link showing this actually came from Hand Gun Control I will have a hard time believe the authenticity of the document.

It seems to be alot like the papers Dan Rather said were 'proof' of Bush having been AWOL. Forgeries of what may have been true.

[Missourigunner]

Pure B.S. More ranting from Sarah Brady, showing their ignorance.

[TarpleyG]

Range Tax: $85 per person, per visit
Did anyone catch this little tidbit near the end? If they can't get the guns they'll just make it too expensive to use them I guess. IMO, another civil war would break out before something like this would happen. But, if they get it piecemeal, we may not see it until it's too late.

Greg

[nico]

I'd be interrested to see a paper trail too (although it'd probably be very hard to find). I don't doubt that a lot of the info is accurate, but it can't be used to sway a fence sitter without proof of the actual source. The rather analogy was pretty good.

TarpleyG, according to the list that was posted here, they also want to ban camoflauge.

[Boats]

Is that from the desk of Dan Rather? :evil:

[NukemJim]

"Unless someone can provide a link showing this actually came from Hand Gun Control I will have a hard time believe the authenticity of the document. "

+1

NukemJim

[Rico567]

+2
I agree with "answerguy" and "NukemJim."

I'm not buying this unless I see its provenance verified, and authoritatively. There are too many things in this document that seem fishy, and the writer(s) display too much technical knowledge of firearms and related matters to be antis.

If this has been made up, folks, a la the infamous "Protocols of the Elders of Zion," or, to cite a more recent example, CBS' fake "Bush National Guard Documents," imagine how damaging such a thing could be to the RKBA cause!

(Not that I don't believe that there are those who dream about such things....)

[Black Dragon]

I don't think most people believe in this. This is an internet rumor that has
been around for the past 6 or more years. I've never seen an internet link
to any of this. I do have a paper copy that has all sorts of HCI information
on it but anyone could have created that on any post 1972 printer :p
Some of this crap is coming true in some way, shape or form, but so are the
Foretellings of Nostradomus. Events can be bent to match almost anything.

Read it. Take it with a grain of salt and move on.

[S Roper]

Is this sort of like the "Jesuit Extreme Oath of Induction?"

Banning reenactments? Give me a break! Notice how the two version of the document have several differences. It's clear to me that this is a fake and not a very convincing one.

[OF]

My understanding is that this is BS. Not that they wouldn't push it all through if they could, but this is not an official document from HCI (bradycampaign) and never was.

- Gabe

[Highland Ranger]

What's the shock and mystery here . . . . anyti-gun groups want all the guns out of civillian hands.

Period.

Was it ever any other way?

[jefnvk]

Well, the good news is that I could legally call my place jefnvk's Armory :D

The bad news is is that it would cost me up to $1000/year :(

Once I hit the immediate ban on .22LR, I didn't know whether to laugh or cry :confused:

[Farnham]

That's just absolutely ridiculous...fake or not, it sounds like a room full of future-Kerry/poli-sci-major-soon-to-be-bagboys/dope-smoking-idiots cranked this out under the influence of some serious psychedelics.

Man, I can't stop laughing... :D :D :D

OMG...make it stop, MAKE IT STOP!!!

[RangerHAAF]

These are just the candid thoughts of liberal Democrats coming mainly from the anti-gun strongholds of California, Massachusetts and Illinois. They overreached too soon in 1994 and their "buddies" in Congress paid for it with their political lives. I don't think I'm overstating what happened. Do any of you? I don't believe that Bill Clinton would have pushed the issue if he had known what the cost was going to be.

[FPrice]

Personally I believe that this document is the product of the fertile mind of someone trying to start a problem where we already know one exists.

Not that anti-gun zealots would not like it to happen mind you. But having this all in one nice, neat little document smells fishy.

[beerslurpy]

I been googlin'....

meeting notes? looks like an earlier draft of the above document (http://www.varmintal.com/hci.htm)

oh noes, it was a hoax!

SAF basically points out that... (http://www.saf.org/JFPP13ch1.htm) HCI and friends dont really have long term goals- they respond short-term to media events. They didnt go after military style weapons when they were popular in the 70s or when they were used in crime during the 80s, only after the media brought them up repeatedly after Stockton.

So basically the 5 year plan is a hoax, since there is no way they would plan ahead nearly 3 election cycles to a time when they wont even know what gun topic will be hot in the news.

[R.H. Lee]

They can have my gun(s), after they dig through a pile of empty brass to find my body, then pry it from my cold, dead fingers. :fire:

It would be a 1911 instead of a Glock, but you get the point:
http://www.smjman.com/images/year_3/now_you_can_have_it1.jpg

[Harry Tuttle]

the original posting:
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 01:04:47 -0800
From: Jeff Chan <chan>
To: ca-firearms, firearms-politics@ns1.rutgers.edu
Subject: More: HCI Master Plan

I now have the cover sheet, addendum & some additional materials
from the HCI master plan circulated earlier. This is not scanned;
I typed it as accurately as possible, including some inconsistencies,
like "fundraiser" vs "fund raiser".

By the way, last count there were about 100,000 paid HCI members.
They supposedly count as members anyone who has called for
information or favorably answered their phone poll.

Additional materials included in the packet I got, but not typed
below include:

1. A fee schedule (what to do with the money from all the
registration & licensing schemes, including legal action against
gun owners),
2. "A Quick Guide to Arguing with the Gun Zealots" (debate points)

First is the distribution sheet:
-----
[appears to be standard letterhead for the Los Angeles office,
stamped: IMPORTANT, CONFIDENTIAL, received 12/30/93; next to
distribution list is handwritten: "UPDATE DIST. LIST!"]

http://rkba.org/antis/hci-master


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**** THESE DOCUMENTS ARE PROBABLY FRAUDULENT. DO NOT USE. ****
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[I now doubt that these documents are authentic.
They were given to me around the timestamp indicated
by a person in Palo Alto, California who used the
name Francis Hamada.

These documents may have been part of a deliberate
disinformation campaign, or an attempt to discredit
the validity of pro-rights information. This finding
is based on a detailed physical analysis of my copy
of the document and other circumstances surrounding
the acquisition of it.

Therefore please do not use this information as
authoritative! I include it here as a matter of
historical interest and as a possible example of
a counter-intelligence operation of the anti-rights
side. -- Jeff C.]