Gun shop experience I will never forget


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wiski
March 17, 2005, 03:13 PM
Went to a new gun shop (new to me that is) to inquire about FFL transfer fees for Mil surplus Makarov 9x18 handguns. The owner told me that he would not sell any cheap guns because then all the “gang bangers” would be coming around for guns too. I asked if I look like a gang banger and got a strange look from him. I looked at another customer at his counter and said “do I”? She said no, that I look like a LEO friend of hers (another thread… looking like a cop I guess).

I then overheard the owner tell another customer that the 9x18 round is just like the 380ACP, and that all 9mm cartridges are the same diameter, only different length cases. I didn’t bother to correct him on that one.

Getting back to discussing Makarovs after the other folks left, he stated that he sold his Russian Mak for something like $600 because it was rare. This may be true as I do not yet know much about the build/import numbers of these pistols or the variants of said guns… but you gotta wonder.

Just then the Fed-Express guy arrives with several boxes. He opened up a box and showed me a brand new Five-seveN, and told me that it was the new fastest handgun round made. He mentioned (to himself I think) that it came with three “clips”, two in the case, and one in the pistol. This guy then did something that I still do not believe I saw. He picked up the handgun from the factory black plastic case, pointed it away from himself and me, and PULLED THE TRIGGER! He did this with the magazine still inserted in the gun and never checked to verify that it was indeed unloaded. Incredible.

Needless to say, I left… quickly.

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wasrjoe
March 17, 2005, 03:19 PM
$600 for a Russian Mak is most probably as much BS as everything he spouted off. I'm glad you made it out alive and with your sanity!

joebogey
March 17, 2005, 03:20 PM
Find another dealer.
And while you're searching the net for said dealer, check out this website.
About anything you wanna know about a Mak.

www.makarov.com

waktasz
March 17, 2005, 03:23 PM
Aren't all 9mm cartridges the same diameter. I'm confused, good think I shoot .40s :)

joebogey
March 17, 2005, 03:26 PM
Nope,
The Mak uses a 9x18,
While most common autos use 9x19

By the way, would that be 40s as in 40, 44, 45? LOL

Oh, and I forgot 41

dasmi
March 17, 2005, 03:29 PM
Diameter is the same, length of the catridge is not.

wasrjoe
March 17, 2005, 03:29 PM
The diameter of 9x18 is not truly 9mm (9.12 or something? I forget) and incompatable with most other "9mm" rounds.

jlwatts3
March 17, 2005, 03:30 PM
Isn't the 18 or 19 a reference to the length? He asked about diameter.

Redneck Revolver
March 17, 2005, 03:47 PM
my lord?!?!?! you can honestly get a license to sell weapons with that little knowledge base? sweet jesus..... :eek:

Lonestar.45
March 17, 2005, 04:09 PM
"The owner told me that he would not sell any cheap guns because then all the “gang bangers” would be coming around for guns too."

Wow, didn't know that milsurp Makarovs were the latest range among "gang bangers" these days. :scrutiny: What a moron. I'd have been out of there too as soon as I heard the $600 Mak story and saw the trigger pulling of a gun he never checked to see if it was loaded.

wiski
March 17, 2005, 04:18 PM
I just remembered another thing… he had a yellow sign that said “You can dry fire any gun in this shop. $75 fee.” Wonder if he put the cash in the till.

hkOrion
March 17, 2005, 04:18 PM
a time i went to a range in Florida with the best man at my wedding. We went in to rent some guns, and the guy behind the counter just took them out (while covering us with the muzzles) and handed them over. Didn't check to see if they were unloaded, and just gave them to us. It was a one day thing, so I went ahead and shot, but as soon as we got into the range my buddy asked me - "Didn't you tell me never to point these things at anyone?" I said "Yep". Chalk one up for the newbie :) . Suffice to say I'll never be back there...

swjr72
March 17, 2005, 04:23 PM
usually on gunbroker.com you can do a search for FFL's in your area Probably a lot safer than this guy

yesterdaysyouth
March 17, 2005, 05:05 PM
380, 9mm, 9x21,9mm largo,38 super,357 sig, and 9x23 use a .355 dia bullet...


9x18 ... .363 dia bullet...

Tom Servo
March 17, 2005, 05:06 PM
"The owner told me that he would not sell any cheap guns because then all the “gang bangers” would be coming around for guns too."
True story from a friend who used to work Duval County: A "gang-banger" type stole a Mak from someone's car. It was unloaded, so Pimp-Daddy G took it, and presumably seeing a reference to "9mm" on the slide, shoehorned some 9x19 rounds into the mag.

He was later pulled over and tried to engage the arresting officers with it. He pointed it at my friend, pulled the trigger, and the gun went bang. Only nothing came out the muzzle.

Things didn't end well for our thug friend that night :rolleyes:

Seriously, the big gang-banger guns are Glocks, cheap snubbies, and the Ring-of-Fire stuff. Not Eastern-Bloc holdovers from the Cold War. They want something they can take the magazine to Wal Mart and say, "hey, what fits in here." That's the extent of their expertise.

critter
March 17, 2005, 05:32 PM
I consider my local gun shop owner to be an extremely safe person. He ALWAYS checks a gun when he gets it from the case and again when you hand it back to be put back in the case.

The other day in his shop, I noticed him using a little plastic tool to put price tags on small items. When not making a tag, his trigger finger was appropriately along side the tool!

BTW, he IS NOT long suffering of gun waving fools who bring them in and wave the muzzle at everybody in the shop either!

flatdog
March 17, 2005, 05:45 PM
What is "Ring of fire stuff".

Thanks :)

flatdog

jamz
March 17, 2005, 05:47 PM
Taiwanese- Phillipino?


http://www.volcanolive.com/rof.html


-James

RobW
March 17, 2005, 07:30 PM
Looks like this guy's shop will not survive too long. EVERY new shooter is so precious, that I just could get overboard, hearing of such "Gun-Shop-Owners" loathing prospective customers away (especially women).

High intelligence needed for sawing off the branch you are sitting on! :banghead:

rem
March 17, 2005, 07:49 PM
gang-banger guns are...

"Gang-banger guns" are anything they can get their thieving, criminal hands on. As mentioned in your own post, bangers use maks. In this case unsuccessfully, but still.

ACP230
March 17, 2005, 08:00 PM
Back when Soviet Communism was a going concern, Makarovs were rare in the U.S. The guy might have got $600 for a Mak then.

hksw
March 17, 2005, 08:01 PM
Taiwanese- Phillipino?


http://www.volcanolive.com/rof.html


-James


I think in this particular case, Ring of Fire refers to the low cost gun manufacturers located in (roughly) a circle in southern California. These included Bryco, Lorcin, Davis, Raven, Jennings, and I think a couple of others. Not the 'Ring of Fire' that refers to the volcanic and tectonic plate activity of the Pacific region.

eagle45
March 17, 2005, 08:04 PM
Is this the only gun shop in the area? If not, what else does he sell to stay in business? :confused:

litman252
March 17, 2005, 08:36 PM
Come on over here and do a search http://wisconsinidpa.com/forum/index.php

I think most guys use a FFL in the central part of the state and swear by him.....
Tony

flatdog
March 17, 2005, 09:02 PM
Thanks gentlemen,for southern Cal "Ring of Fire" explanation. I knew about the Pacific Rim but couldn't make the connection between it and firearms.

I thought it might have something to do with a movie, video game or something.

Seems like a mighty poor analogy from here. How did they come up with that one?

flatdog

Standing Wolf
March 17, 2005, 09:14 PM
I think you should tell us the name and address of that hell hole so we can all avoid it like the plague.

The Rabbi
March 17, 2005, 09:15 PM
And here I was thinking Johnny Cash. What I get for living in Nashville.

Well, the owner did check to see if the chamber was empty. I'm not sure I'd recommend doing it that way though.

mbs357
March 18, 2005, 12:23 AM
Critter, lol.
I do the exact same thing with everything that has a trigger, especially my PC's joystick and drills (once after inserting a battery, I tried to rack the slide of the drill...), when I notice it, I give myself an imaginary cookie. =)

wiski
March 18, 2005, 03:51 PM
Quote: "Back when Soviet Communism was a going concern, Makarovs were rare in the U.S. The guy might have got $600 for a Mak then."

I never thought of that... makes sense to me. Supply and demand with collectors and all. The Makarov site is a great resource for information and entertainment. I will be browsing that one in great detail.

I have never been to this shop before, and will not return. He only sells guns, but really does not have any inventory to speak of other than his personal collection. I guess his speciality is ordering what you want. To his credit, he is retired (from what other job I did not ask) and doing what he likes to do. Hopfully he makes enough to pay the bills.

I was on the road, and whenever possible, I try to check out the local shops just to see what they have. Never know what I can't live without before I see it ya know. There are several shops and FFL holders in my home town that will transfer guns for a reasonable fee if I buy out of state. I will check out the IDPA site too.

Thanks for the tips one and all.

wiski
March 18, 2005, 03:55 PM
Here is the pistol that the shop owner made his big mistake with.

thanks Darkmind for the pic of your great new handgun. Looks like fun!

Lonestar.45
March 18, 2005, 03:57 PM
Quote: "Back when Soviet Communism was a going concern, Makarovs were rare in the U.S. The guy might have got $600 for a Mak then."

Funny story along those lines. I'm into SKS's these days. I picked up an unissued Yugo for $149 the other day. The funny part? I know a collector who collects SKS's, and back in the late '80s, you could not get a Yugo SKS, they were just too scarce in this country. He was trying to get one from every country that made them. The guy stumbled across a Yugo and picked it up for....$1,200! At the time, it was a great find, there were very very few even in the country and that's about what they ran. We all know how that turned out. Win some, lose some, eh?

standingbear
March 18, 2005, 04:13 PM
a bonified gun show commando.I wouldnt buy anything from him.

Missourigunner
March 18, 2005, 04:27 PM
To quote Bugs Bunny regarding this particular Dealer: " What a Maroon" :neener: :uhoh:

joebogey
March 18, 2005, 05:17 PM
There are a few Russian Maks I think, that are very scarce and might have easily commanded $600.00 at the time.
Most of the Russians in this country are the ones with the adjustable sights.

orionengnr
March 18, 2005, 07:10 PM
I was at a range in IL last winter, the guy in the next stall was trying out his new HK USP 9mm. I offered to let him try my HK P7 and after a brief familiarisation, he had a ball with it. He asked if I wanted to try his USP. Okay, he loads the mag, hands me the pistol and the mag. I insert the mag, let the slide fly...most of the way into battery. Withdraw slide, remove mag, and find that the idjit shop that sold it to him also sold him several boxes of ammo...some 9x19, some 9x18! Needless to say, we noted that the 9z18 is slightly larger in diameter and will not feed.

spacemanspiff
March 18, 2005, 07:21 PM
hmmmmm...... me thinks a makarov left for thieves to steal would actually be a good thing....provided there was no reference to "x18" or 'makarov' on the gun.

:evil:

Beren
March 18, 2005, 07:22 PM
I can give you the name and address of a gunstore that would be more than happy to sell you a stock, used Glock 21 for $500. It even has two ten round PRE-ban-expiration magazines. 10 round mags are an exclusive collector's item now, you know.

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