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Norm357
March 20, 2005, 01:42 PM
Yikes! I have been selling auto loaders off at an alarming rate to buy wheel guns. I am down to a Glock M23 and an old Browning High Power in my safe. Yet I have 27 S&W revolvers and one Ruger SP 101 (my primary carry gun). Should I consult a professional? :D

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pezo
March 20, 2005, 01:50 PM
I myself love all gun types, but for every auto loader pistol I at a time seem interested in their tends to be a particular revolver I want even more. Hence I wind up walking out with a wheelgun.

SnWnMe
March 20, 2005, 02:49 PM
Actually, it's people who like autoloaders who need help. They just don't know. I feel sorry for them.

I look at two shelves in every gun shop I visit. The 1911 shelf and the revolver shelf.

bean357
March 20, 2005, 05:24 PM
Norm357,
Wow. That is a great number of S&W prizes!
PLEASE notify/include me if you find help
I was told last night by hubby that I have a pistol habit. I said "no honey, they are REVOLVERS!" :D

Bear Gulch
March 20, 2005, 06:29 PM
I think that the past 20 years of auto hoopla has been proven false. There are lots of ufn wheel guns out there. My experience is that it is easier to get quick, nice groups with an auto, leading the neophyte shooter to think that revolvers are somehow defficient. DA shooting is an art that most folks lack the patience for.

FPrice
March 20, 2005, 06:31 PM
Should I consult a professional?

Yes you should consult a professional immediately!

I suggest Jerry Miculek or John Taffin. Either one of them can help you.

Dienekes
March 20, 2005, 07:55 PM
No--you are probably approaching enlightenment. Having "started out" with a 1911 circa 1959 and carried one as an LEO for a while, I did a forced "regression" to the .357 wheelgun. I can still make a case for a good 1911 when and where allowed, but the realities are that it will never make a comeback in the public sector and that "civilian" users are perhaps better served by a good revolver after all. Ed McGivern clearly demonstrated that it wasn't about the gun but about the operator.

I am still fond of the 1911 but shoot them infrequently now; whereas the .357 is an article of apparel. My Mk. III BHP is a keeper; a SIG 220 that is a safe queen and a Glock 17 passed through briefly before getting traded off for two nice Security Sixes.

I do not expect to be buying any more semiautos. But I am in the process of casting up 8000 .38 cal. SWC bullets.

munk
March 20, 2005, 08:39 PM
I look at two shelves in every gun shop I visit. The 1911 shelf and the revolver shelf.>>>> SnWnMe


The only semi autos I own are 1911 types.
The rest are revolvers, and two single shots.

Can't say it is what I was raised on because there weren't any handguns in my house. I had no indoctrination, no 'good old days'. When the time arrived I thought I might buy a handgun, I bought a revolver. I keep buying revolvers.

They are more practical out of doors than the semi, imho, but there is a intangible too. You can get a good deal of power out of the semi auto these days, so unless you're going for top end and hunting that isn't it.


I admire semi autos. They are fantastic machines.
There is an honesty for me in holding a revolver that is absent with a semi.


munk

bean357
March 20, 2005, 08:53 PM
Quotes: When the time arrived I thought I might buy a handgun, I bought a revolver. I keep buying revolvers.
There is an honesty for me in holding a revolver that is absent with a semi.

Thank you, munk!!! :D

medmo
March 20, 2005, 09:52 PM
Of course you do.... As the rest of us also need professional help. I have almost a 50/50 split between wheel guns and semi's. I enjoy both types of actions but only have wheel guns for hunting.

Old Fuff
March 20, 2005, 10:12 PM
The Old Fuff has generously decided to off his assistance to those of you who suffer from some mental syndrome that causes you to become unnaturally attracted to obsolescent forms of handguns such as revolvers. While this is an unhappy and sometimes tragic situation help is at hand.

As some of you know there is one among you on his forum one who has acquired a substantial amount of knowledge about this subject. Much of your distress is caused by a lack of handgun-esteem. Deep down you have a dread that you and your revolvers are inferior to the other more popular “magazine pistols.”

You must learn to point out the following when someone sneers at you at the range, at work, among friends, or wherever …

When was the last time you got hit on the head by ejected brass?

Do you have any burn scars on your arm where a hot case landed while you were wearing a short sleeve shirt?

How many times have you had to replace a defective magazine??

Do you ever use the terms “FTF” or FTE” when discussing your favorite sidearm??

How many parts in your revolver are made of plastic (excluding grips).

Was the west won by anyone with an autoloader??

Is it better to spray and pray, or simply hit your target straight off?

Who can name the automatic with a smoother double-action trigger pull then that found on an old, relatively inexpensive S&W model 10??

What self-loading pistol will handle the variety of loads and bullet shapes and weights that are digested by an ordinary .357 Magnum??

What kind of gun did dirty Harry have when he uttered those famous words, “make my day?”

Finely, which of those “other kinds of guns” can out-power an X-frame S&W chambered in 460 S&W Magnum?

As you can see by now, it is not you, but those others that need professional help … :evil: :D :D

Norm357
March 20, 2005, 10:31 PM
I want to be just like Old Fuff when I grow up! :D

sm
March 20, 2005, 10:39 PM
In all due respect...Old Fuff is just a old fool getting up in years. :eek: Old Fuff, sit down, be quiet and read on - willya?

Everything new is better, polymer is especially good. Look at the all rounds one can shoot before they have to reload. See how "purty" them new shiney gun boxes are?

Here is what you do - buy the new bottom feeders. OH short of cash and can't wait? Sell them old obsolete revolvers you have. Heck if you run out of room in the gun safe with the new semi-autos- just give them old revos away to make room.

Besides that old guy in AZ , rocking in a chair , mumbling about old guns, drooling on himself - well it seems to pacify him. He doesn't yell at the kids in the yard, he doesn't back over the neighbor's cats in his driveway repeatedly looking for something to occupy his time. He just sits there and piddles with these old guns and stays out of everyone's hair.

You would be doing Society a favor by sending these old revos to him.

Me? I need them for a "Research Project" I am working on.

;)

Old Fuff
March 20, 2005, 10:45 PM
>> I want to be just like Old Fuff when I grow up! <<

Ya' do .... ?? :what:

>> Besides that old guy in AZ , rocking in a chair , mumbling about old guns, drooling on himself - that wants them <<

Da................. :evil: :D :D

Bullet
March 20, 2005, 10:50 PM
"Should I consult a professional?"

I am a professional and 27 S&W revolvers is way to many. My professional advice is to ship at least 20 of them to me. This might make you feel better. I know I will.

sm
March 20, 2005, 10:53 PM
Old Fuff,


Where is my certificate?

Surely I have fulfilled all requirments by now. :evil:

Old Fuff
March 21, 2005, 12:02 AM
Oh yes, Grasshopper ....

You sure have done somethin ...... :eek: :eek: :eek: :uhoh: :D

Ben Shepherd
March 21, 2005, 09:01 PM
There is one RRREEAALL big reason I don't like semi's. I reload everything with a primer that I shoot, and I HATE chasing brass. :cuss:

Nevermind the general "power-factor" difference. :D

DHart
March 21, 2005, 11:32 PM
Sheesh, if you had asked me a couple of years ago when I was gobbling up Colt 1911's like candy if I was interested in revolvers, I'd have said, yeah I've got a few Smiths in the safe I haven't looked at in 20 years. Well now, it's the 1911's and BHP's that are being seriously ignored. My passion for revolvers (mostly S&W's with a smattering of Colts and Rugers) has steamrolled over my 1911 interest. I'm kind of hoping I can rekindle at least a little interest in those sweet bottom feeders, but I'm sure the revos are here to stay for me!

Here's the last 1911 in my safe that I handled - right after getting it back from John Harrison for the custom work:

http://www.legendportraits.com/Images/Guns/Colt1991a.jpg

http://www.legendportraits.com/Images/Guns/Colt1991e.jpg

Here's my favorite "revolver of the week":

http://www.legendportraits.com/Images/Guns/586R_2401.jpg

http://www.legendportraits.com/Images/Guns/586L_2403.jpg

Another great thing about revolvers...
you can buy at least two nice revolvers
for the price of one nice 1911...
sometimes three or four! ;)

Jack2427
March 22, 2005, 01:15 AM
Norm,

You may consult with me when you decide to rid yourself of that old BHP, I might even trade you a nice wheelgun for it. Sorry about the block. You are right about the revolvers, so is fluff, there is something about blued steel and wood that says "real gun".

I currently carry a BHP cause 9 & 45 are the most common available ammo in sandland. But my sometime hideout is a S&W 940, or even better a 547(blue steel, remember)? Unfortunately the 547 will not use moon clips, and they are what is needed for a combat revolver.

Wheel on!

DHart
March 22, 2005, 01:26 AM
Jack... blue steel and rich wood can be done with the BHP too! I've got two BHP's, both in .40, one is high polish blue and the other is Silver chrome (hard chrome). Semi autos don't get much better than BHP's. And the polished blue BHP is a gorgeous sight to behold. Reminds me that I need some nice wood grips for mine! Rock on... be safe... get home soon!

Stainz
March 22, 2005, 07:30 AM
Old Fuff,

You forgot my favorite reason to go 'roundgun'... no more excuses for not picking up your brass! Watch the elderly - or volumetrically challenged - range denizens shooting their evil-bootom-feeders. They'll tell you they can afford not to collect their brass for reloading... never admit they can't bend over that far. I am past 'mid-life', I really don't know any 112 year olds. And... my doc told me last month that if I gained another pound, I could have my own zipcode, so I shoot revolvers... and, as a retired teacher, I must reload to shoot.

My collection includes only bolt action and lever long guns, and all revolvers... well, there is that MKII. I cannot count it as an evil-bottom-feeder... it is just too much fun.

Stainz

Old Fuff
March 22, 2005, 10:10 AM
Stainz:

When I started that list I left off a number of things to incourage others, such as yourself, to add to it. I too would much rather "plink & play" with a revolver then a pistol. Picking up brass is no fun, but I always get mine on any formal shooting range - both to reload, and to police up my mess. The advantages here for a revolver are obvious. In addition it is unlikely your barss will be dinged or bent.

If your reloading includes lead bullets the barrel will stay in prime shape for a lifetime. While 9mm and .45 hardball are popular because they are inexpensive, they can also start eroding the bore just ahead of the chamber in as little as 2000 rounds. :eek:

Then there is fun to be had when someone steps up to the next station with a big-cap magazine pistol and starts doing triple-quadruple taps as fast as he can pull the trigger of his autoloader. When the targets get inspected his looks like a load of buckshot and mine usually (sometimes?) has the holes clustered somewhere near the middle. The quizzical look on the other party’s face is something to see … :evil:

Last but not least on these issues, an out-of-the-box revolver is often much more accurate then an ordinary pistol. Of course if one can spend $1,500 or more this may not be the case. But for those that are financially challenged I don’t believe they’re better values that a wheel-gun. Fortunately most buyers’ taste in handguns has shifted, and yesteryear’s best only command modest prices in many cases. :D

The Rabbi
March 22, 2005, 08:55 PM
I started off shooting IDPA with a SIG P239. I noticed a couple of the older guys using revolvers. Boy, they were good. They often beat the times of accomplished shooters--WHO WERE USING SEMI's!
I gradually went over to the dark side. I carry a Model 19 and a Model 38 Smith. I love the model 19 and think it was Smith's best revolver. I also like my steel Model 65 3" for its compact quality.
There is something about the double action pull that cannot be replicated in a semi. With a revo, you control the entire process (except the hammer releasing and striking the primer). With an auto you are merely an impediment to what the gun would do naturally.
Add to that the relative size to weight proportion (think of Smith's J-frame .357 and name a semi that can reliably deliver that kind of load in that size), cheap ammo if you're shooting .38spc and I dont know why anyone needs another gun.

DHart
March 22, 2005, 09:04 PM
The little Kahr PM9 delivers a pretty potent load (9mm +P) from an amazingly small, lightweight, and reliable launch pad... definitely gives a J-frame a run for it's money. But I love my J's too! ;)

Gary A
March 22, 2005, 09:22 PM
I don't have the knowledge of some of you. I don't have the experience of some of you. I sure don't have the "good taste" in guns of some of you. I've only been into handgunning for a decade or so and have gone through various phases while finding out what I like most. I had built up a pretty nice, small collection of Model 10s and a couple of nice 15s but ended up selling them off to a dealer because I needed to raise cash and they were marketable if not particularly valuable. I have bought, tried, and eventually traded off a number of autos of different types. The only guns I never would get rid of and which gradually accumulated were Ruger double-action revolvers, GPs and SPs. I didn't plan that and I don't claim them to be the best looking, most refined, most collectible, or anything else. I just came to realize I really, really like them and eventually realized that, since I didn't start real young, the best way to get as good as I can with some form of handgun was to use that form of handgun and then use it some more...and some more. I am trading a 9mm pistol for another Ruger this next week and still have a couple of things on my want list. I would even like to begin again on that Smith collection, though I'm not a collector. I can see the day when all, or nearly all, of my guns will be round in the middle. Wheelguns just feel "right" to me and have since the day I began shooting handguns. I like to at least think that all my handguns have some "purpose" or fill some role, and the .38/357 combination does 99 44/100% of anything I need a handgun to do. And, truth to tell, I don't really like magazines for no good reason.

ksnecktieman
March 22, 2005, 10:39 PM
Everyone has decisions to make. From what you said, I think you might be wise to put the autos in the safe, leave them there, and buy the wheel guns too. Variety is the spice of life. Guns do not get jealous if you play with another gun. Autos have their place, the same as wheel guns.

When I take a new shooter out the first gun they shoot is a ruger .22 target pistol. The multiple holes in a target are addictive. A new shooter can not shoot a revolver in double action as well as an auto loader. YES, many of us can shoot double action fast and accurately. We have many rounds down range, and many hours of practice.

IF you get a chance to teach someone to shoot, the first thing to do is make it fun. That means they need to hit the target regularly, and develop confidence. After they learn to shoot a little, are you going to hand them a .38 J frame, and say, this is what you NEED for defense? Maybe you would be better to hand them an autoloader, and say, Try this.

Bring them into the fold of shooters, and then let them graduate, or regress to wheelguns.

For me? I do not have the time or the inclination to master double action shooting with a wheel gun. My larger autoloaders will hit as far as I need to shoot in a defensive situation. I enjoy shooting them, and they work for me.

There is no right or wrong here, we all get to decide:)

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