Whats Your Holy Grail


March 21, 2005, 02:34 PM
I know it changes from time to time, but for me..

Unbubbaed matching no muzzle extension no overstamp Swede 94 carbine.....


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March 21, 2005, 02:41 PM
For me it would be a collection of HK firearms. I would love to have a P7M8, a HK91, PSG-1, MP-5 and a HK-53.

I have already told my wife that if we ever win the lottery, I am going hog wild and picking up atleast one of each :evil:


Old Fuff
March 21, 2005, 02:43 PM
Original, not refinished, 95 percent or better, S&W .44 Special Triple Lock. (.44 Hand Ejector, 1st. model) 4-inch barrel would be nice. Not priced over $500.00 would be too ...

And of course with the matching box ... :D

March 21, 2005, 02:46 PM
Mine changes as well, but I keep coming back to the not-minty-fresh-but-not-abused-either M1A1 Thompson.

Snake Eyes
March 21, 2005, 02:51 PM
Danish Military Contract Sig 210 for under $1500 (I actually passed up one in 97% condition for $1100 at a gunshow 5 years ago....to buy a 6" Python)

A matched, NIB set of Colt Boas

A matched set of Colt Python "Snake Eyes", in the display case (I have the stainless one....I carry it. Silly me.)

A Colt Aircrewman (Never even seen one for sale. Hell, I've never seen one PERIOD.)

A matched set of Yost full house job Colt Commanders in .38 Super (Oh, wait, he's actually building those....I just need the $8000....)

And the beat goes on.....

March 21, 2005, 02:52 PM
Full auto MG-42. That has been my Holy Grail for some time.

March 21, 2005, 02:53 PM
I'd say a full auto AKM or MP-5 or something along those lines. Of course an automatic Sig 550 would be cool too. I can dream huh.

Henry Bowman
March 21, 2005, 02:54 PM
1) Barrett .50 (any model, but one of the semis would be my choice)

2) Thompson SMG

Zeke Menuar
March 21, 2005, 02:55 PM
Walther P38, pre-1943 all matching numbers.

A real honest to goodness Mosin-Nagant sniper rifle, not one of those cobbled up fakes from Inter-Ordinance.


March 21, 2005, 02:55 PM
Consecutive Browning Hi-Powers


consecutive Colt Series 70s (wait.... already found those).


loose cannon
March 21, 2005, 02:59 PM
a g18;the most drastic of plastic!! or a bulgie milled ak with the 4th selector position.or a american 180 for when im feelin cheep.

March 21, 2005, 03:06 PM
I, too, must go with the M1A1 Thompson.

March 21, 2005, 03:07 PM

March 21, 2005, 03:09 PM
A 1903 Mannlicher Schoenauer carbine (not set on year, just that style) in 6.5x54. I turned down a very pretty one in 8mm last year. They only wanted $1000. I should've bought it...

Last time I saw one, it was over $2k.


March 21, 2005, 03:09 PM
A dirty, but good condition Winchester Model 70XTR in .243. Under $300.

50 Freak
March 21, 2005, 03:09 PM
Vulcan Backpack minigun like Jess had in Predator. :evil: :evil: :evil:

March 21, 2005, 03:14 PM
Gov't Model of 45.

Ithaca, US&S, Rand, or Singer.

Not gonna be real picky, anyone of the above. :D

March 21, 2005, 03:23 PM
Nothing exciting.

Nickel finish Belgium Browning Hi-Power born in 72.

Vern Humphrey
March 21, 2005, 03:26 PM
Hmmm . . .

A Colt New Service Shooting Master in .45 Colt.
A pre-64 Winchester Model 70 Featherweight in 7X57.
A Lefevre 12 ga side-by-side

By the way, "Holy Grail" is really "Chroil Fail" -- the vat of the Dagda Mor (a Celtic god.) A wounded warrior who bathed in it would be healed "even if he were three days dead. It would be a GREAT thing to find! :D

March 21, 2005, 03:29 PM
The little Stevens single shot that my dad bought me as my first gun.

March 21, 2005, 03:30 PM
Authentic, traceable, WWII Snipe rifle, in this preference

Mosin Nagant

March 21, 2005, 03:32 PM
Ten tens.


March 21, 2005, 03:36 PM
The little Stevens single shot that my dad bought me as my first gun.

No, I'm not crying, there's just something in my eye! Dang you.

Makes me saying I would kill for a pair of Colt Pythons(one to shoot, one to look at) pretty shallow. But, I'll say it anyway.


March 21, 2005, 03:37 PM
SIG Sauer SSG 3000, level 2. Nikon 6694 on Badgers.

Engraved- Ultima Ratio Regum

Expensive, but worth it.

March 21, 2005, 03:38 PM
Three double rifles & a pair of Greener shotguns
A .303 British
A .425 Westely Richards
& a 4 bore

& the late 19th century safaris to enjoy them


March 21, 2005, 03:42 PM
I already have my "Holy Grail" of guns. It's my Bren Ten. There was never any gun I wanted more, and since the irst time I shot it, I've never felt the ridiculous sum I paod for it was unjustified.


Vern Humphrey
March 21, 2005, 03:44 PM
The little Stevens single shot that my dad bought me as my first gun.

Well, I HAVE a Stevens Favorite (made in the 1890s), and a Stevens #26 Crackshot (made about WWI) plus another Holy Grail .22, a Springfield M1922.

I also have 2 M1903A3s -- a Remington and a Smith-Corona (I lusted after one as a boy), and a Garand. Plus a Winchester Model 70 made in 1939 (in .30-06.)

I have a Colt Officers Model Target .22 and a Colt New Service (7 1/2" barrel, in .45 Colt.

I suppose my two M82 Kimbers fill the bill, too -- one in .22 LR and one in .22 Hornet.

So I have a bunch of Holy Grails already.

Brian Williams
March 21, 2005, 03:55 PM
The 1911 that was assigned to the USS Cowanesque, a Fleet oiler in WWII, My Dad was a Boatswains mate and piloted the Mail runs. During said Mail runs he routinely beat the others due to the fact that his the Boat mechanic installed the powerplant from a landing craft into his boat. While on these runs he and the Mailman would shoot at various Flotsam and Jetsam they passed with extra ammo they would hoard.

other than that an as issued Colt 1911a1 from 1943

March 21, 2005, 03:57 PM
A Marlin 336-ER in .356 Winchester.
An H&K MP10, 10mm Submachinegun

March 21, 2005, 03:59 PM
Colt 1903 in (preferred) .38 or .32. Too many B&W detective movies, I guess.

March 21, 2005, 04:07 PM
Singer-made M1911A1

bad LT
March 21, 2005, 04:07 PM
A take down Savage 99 in 308

March 21, 2005, 04:28 PM
I am dying to find a NIB Ruger 10/22 with a serial number in the 1-100 range.

March 21, 2005, 04:30 PM
Boy if we keep this thread going maybe someone will have someone elses hokly grail!

Call it the Ultimate Holy Grail Trading Thread!


Vern Humphrey
March 21, 2005, 04:40 PM
Boy if we keep this thread going maybe someone will have someone elses hokly grail!

Call it the Ultimate Holy Grail Trading Thread!

Okay, you know what I got and you know what I want. Anybody wanna talk some serious trading? :-)

March 21, 2005, 04:41 PM

CMP-Issued M14.

Converted to semi-auto and sold just like M1 Garands. Raises money for the government and gets guns paid for with our taxes into hands of honest citizens for an overall increase in homeland security.

March 21, 2005, 04:53 PM

March 21, 2005, 05:01 PM
Winchester Model 88 in .308... in nearly new condition, without the basketweave checkering. When my dad died, I became the owner of one (which didn't even have a full box of ammo through it). At the time, I didn't hunt, and the state in which I lived didn't even allow rifle-hunting for deer... so I sold it for some badly-needed rent money.

Now I'm older (almost twice as much), wiser, and more financially secure. I'm also saddened by the fact that I sold that rifle of Dad's. So, I look around for one like it. So far, I've seen lots and lots of Model 88s, but none have been quite right.


Sorry dad. :(

Snake Eyes
March 21, 2005, 05:02 PM
Boy if we keep this thread going maybe someone will have someone elses hokly grail!


March 21, 2005, 05:43 PM
My holy grail is a 6 1/2" Colt 45 ACP Clark PIN Gun that I used to own and shoot IPSC with. Blue slide and full lug comp melted in Bomar rear and undercut front blade on a sharpely checkered bright nickel Colt frame. I got the top and the bottom from two different places and put them together myself. I had to sell it when I fell on very hard times about 12 years ago.

I do not have the serial# but I would know it if I saw it. :(

March 21, 2005, 05:49 PM
Boy if we keep this thread going maybe someone will have someone else's holy grail!As a matter of fact, I DO. I have a very sweet, un-bubbaed, non extended Swede 94. And no, it's not for sale. :neener:

Two of MY grails that I have found are a all matching SMLE MkIII with mag cut-off and volley sights and a hooked quillion 1907 bayonet.

Now I'm looking for a Mole 1907 SMLE bayonet.

March 21, 2005, 05:52 PM
All debts paid off, three months of cash in the bank, 1 year's worth of gold and silver bullion...oh, you meant guns. Well, I gotta take care of the first part first, having taken care of the guns already.

Maybe then a Bushie BAR-10, or an Armalite 180, or a nice H&K battle rifle...perhaps a Wilson Combat for fun.

March 21, 2005, 05:54 PM
i want the m16's that jesus and moses used to fight the romans at the red sea with.

March 21, 2005, 05:55 PM
A brand new, fresh off the rack, H und K MP5. Just a plain ol' 9mm straight stocked SMG. :D

Is that too much to ask?

March 21, 2005, 05:56 PM
My holy grail would be Patton's Ivory gripped pistols...both of them. Not replica's mind you, nope, only Patton's guns themselves will do.

Short of that, I'd take an origional Colt Walker....

March 21, 2005, 06:08 PM
Current Holy Grail is a Smith X-Frame in 460. ;)

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
March 21, 2005, 06:09 PM
I've heard through the family grapevine that distant cousins I have never met are in posession of my great-great grandfather's pistols and shotgun he used in the War of Northern Aggression (2nd. Lt, Co.F, 19th Texas Cavalry, Dismounted). I'd like to own them, seeing as how I am named for him.

Barring that, a nice, original Winchester 95 takedown in .30 Government would be high on the list.

I already have the 94 Swede :D , a 1916 CG.


March 21, 2005, 06:15 PM
Nice rabbit, rub it in


March 21, 2005, 06:18 PM
Something US with a traceable history to a major battle in WWII. Iwo Jima, Okinawa, Normandy, Hurtgen, Battle of the Bulge, etc.

Another would be the M1 rifle my Grandpa had while in the Marines. Never in any conflicts, just a vacation to California for a few years, but it was still his rifle. OTOH, he told me if I ever found it, not to buy it, because it was a piece of junk :rolleyes:

Lastly would be an MP40, or if ammo were available, an Stg-44

March 21, 2005, 06:27 PM
Select fire M14 , sounds like alot of fun. Street sweeper drum magazine fed semi auto shotgun, cause they arnt gonna start making em anymore, so called destructive device labeling. :( . or how about select fire BAR.

Chris Rhines
March 21, 2005, 06:30 PM
GM cards in Limited and Production.

- Chris

March 21, 2005, 06:42 PM
LOL not sure if anyone else caught spacemanspiff's family guy reference.

"im petey the pistol, are you lonely?" little boy "yea!" "hold me, when you squeeze me i make bad people go away!"

March 21, 2005, 06:52 PM
I would some day like to have a fitted .470 Nitro Express double rifle. Been drooling for one for years, but can't part with that much cash. :(

It would give me an excuse to go back to Africa on for another safari. ;)

March 21, 2005, 06:53 PM
Holy Grail?? hmmm mine are much simpler than others :D

4in Colt Python (before Colt forgot how to blue a revolver)

Smith model 27 registered

G41 or G42 whichever w/glass (WWII semi-auto sniper rifle)

A full house custom rifle or carbine

A full house custom Gov't model

Mauser 96(?) Broomhandle (shootergrade)

Luger 9mm (shooter grade)

Colt 1917 .45 acp revolver in 80+% condition

Remington Double Barrell shotty with cobalt blue steel and a hair trigger :neener:

Original (WWII) Mauser sniper rifle w/glass in 90% condition

m3 grease gun

March 21, 2005, 06:54 PM
Original First Issue Colt AR-15 SP1 just like in the book The Black Rifle II. I'll probably never see another one. Some poor soul lost this one in a pawn in CA.

March 21, 2005, 06:58 PM
S&W k22 and S&W 29. Just watched Magnum Force this morning.

Vern Humphrey
March 21, 2005, 07:02 PM
Did I mention Bigfoot Wallace, my custom '03 Springfield in .35 Brown-Whelen, built by CW Fitch in Phoenix in the late '60s or early '70s? :p

March 21, 2005, 07:04 PM
Vickers .303 watercooled
BAR 1918A2
M1A1 Thompson

Classic iron.


March 21, 2005, 07:05 PM
An original Russian Dragunov, 7.62x54r of course.

March 21, 2005, 07:49 PM
I would have to say a M2 or "Ma Duce" if you prefer. It would have to be a straight military issue and retain it's full auto, for this is the one weapon that commands respect unlike any other, and my all time favorite to fire.

Also one of my other personal favs that I carried while serving a M249 S.A.W. I always liked the fact that if you are all out of belt ammo you could always grab some mags off a less than "lively" buddy to finish the job.

March 21, 2005, 07:53 PM
a nice 1918 B.A.R.

March 21, 2005, 07:56 PM
Original First Issue Colt AR-15 SP1

Looks like I might have your Holy Grail. :)

Black Snowman
March 21, 2005, 08:03 PM
A fully stocked machine shop capable of producing experimental weapons and misc parts for my vehicles :evil:

March 21, 2005, 08:14 PM
A fixed-stock MP5. Nothing fancy, just that.

A Micro Uzi. Select-fire, with folding stock and nylon strap so I can hold onto the darn thing.

An M40A1.

A fully stocked machine shop right next to Black Snowman's. :D

A CMP M14.

A CMP M1 Garand.

March 21, 2005, 08:39 PM
H&K usp - Variant #1 - full sized model - Hi-cap - chambered in 10mm.


March 21, 2005, 08:53 PM
The clean 50 ft. slow fire pistol target...

I've got to agree... dangit... :banghead:
I've gotten close, but never shot a perfect round.

Dave Markowitz
March 21, 2005, 09:05 PM

Ok, seriously:

S&W Model 27 with 5" barrel (or better yet, a pre-Model 27).

Pre-Model 17 K-22.

Pre-Model 14 K-38.

TVM .54 flintlock left handed Lancaster-style long rifle with a really nice curly maple stock.

Colt Combat Commander in .38 Super.

March 21, 2005, 09:10 PM
Here are a coupla those Dave ...........



If you happen to have a spare X-Frame Smith in .460 - do drop me a line! LOL :D


March 21, 2005, 09:44 PM
M1A1 Thompson and Singer 1911A1.

Dream on!

March 22, 2005, 10:24 AM
I would have to say a M2 or "Ma Duce" if you prefer.

Crewchief, I was waiting for someone else to come up with this one, since I've wanted one for years. Plus a ring mount to go on my 5 ton 6x6, of course.

Given the price of a full auto ma deuce, I'd even settle for one of the semi-auto models for the time being.

March 22, 2005, 10:38 AM
Another Colt Police Positive Mk V. If only I'd have known that they would only manufacture them for a year I'd have bought two. :(

Haven't seen another one since - not at the range, the gun shops, online, etc. Nowhere.

W Turner
March 22, 2005, 11:03 AM
Ed Brown Cobra Carry in 10mm

HK MP5-10

S&W .38/44 LNIB with matching box

Colt series 70 Gov't Model in .38 Super

Bushmaster in .308

S/A M1A Scout Squad

M1 Garand that is documented to have been used in a major battle....I would give it to my grandfather

Pre '64 Winchester in .270

Wild West Gun's Co-Pilot in .45-70


March 22, 2005, 11:24 AM

The pictured rifle is not an "original first issue" that is a later production SP1. The OFI are limited to the first run of approx 2,000 rifles that were sold to keep Colt going until they could nail down the gov contracts. These OFI rifles have very rare features including M-16 bolt carriers with no forward assist marks, hard chrome bolts, no trap door single screw butt plate, etc..

I actually already a OFI SP1l. I recon wild was looking for the grails we don't own, in which case that would be a 2 or 3 digit Garand. I know of 2 three digit garands and one is for sale.

Redneck Revolver
March 22, 2005, 12:03 PM
well i have a couple peoples holy grail. a sniper 91/30. not an originial i bought the mount and scope on ebay but they are ww2 original so its all russian parts.

anyways my holy grail i have already found, just dont have the money for it yet. a 1943 svt-40 with sniper mounts and 95-99% condition. $550. god is taunting me.....

other than that a fg42 ww2 would be nice, or doc holidays orginial sawwed of 10 gauge. and maybe a USAS12 :evil:

March 22, 2005, 12:18 PM
Original .44 Automag or a .475 Wildey.

I saw a couple engraved ones at the last gunshow for $1275 and $1475
just need to stick a crowbar in my wallet.

I do have a couple of my holy grails.


Colt Woodsman Match target MFG 1969 Unfired NIB

1945 Springfield Garand

March 22, 2005, 12:27 PM
Stainless CZ75B Compact, in 10mm, dehorned.

March 22, 2005, 12:28 PM
A trailer on the side of a shaded hill. Hot tub on the front porch. Out back is a reloading shed and a 100 yard range. Shade tree will have a tire swing in honor of something that can never happen.

Oh, you mean guns. Classic BAR and a deuce and 1/2 brimming full of factory fresh ammo. My back up would be a Thompson with another deuce and 1/2 loaded with 45 ACP.

pete f
March 22, 2005, 12:33 PM
"A take down Savage 99 in 308" gonna be looking for a long time, Savage never produced these. The takedowns only exist in the short version, Savage had to stretch the action a few hundredths to get the longer .308 to eject when unfired. Thus, your only options are 250 3000, 300 savage, 22 Hi power, 303 savage, 30 30, 32 40, and perhaps 38-55.

My holy grail might be a .358 lever safety safety 99.

a mini uzi with a can could be it too

an NIB MG 34 would be pretty high on the list.

March 22, 2005, 12:59 PM
Another vote for an MP5 in 10mm.

A S&W 1046 to complete the Smith 10mm auto collection.

A WW II era Thompson with da switch. :D

March 22, 2005, 01:55 PM
enough money to start my own arms company (F-TAC, Flint Tactical Arms Company)(but I guess that would include a full machine shop).

on the arms side of it, hhhmmm.

very diverse want list

from a beretta double rifle in 9.3x74 (an express ss06 to be exact)
to an authentic first production AR-18
and a hundred other rifles

Lobotomy Boy
March 22, 2005, 02:12 PM
1. Registry Model .357 Smith & Wesson
2. Colt Woodsman
3. WWII-era M1 Carbine, paratrooper model

March 22, 2005, 03:08 PM
Aww this is tough.

-Winchester 71
-That 30-40 1895 I didn't buy in ND, 'cause I'm an idiot.
-A full stocked Lancaster rifle in .54 by Mark Silver
-October country 8-bore double rifle.

March 22, 2005, 04:09 PM
M16 A2

March 22, 2005, 04:16 PM
Two items:

1. 1911A1 .45 ACP

2. M1 Garand

:) :)

March 22, 2005, 05:03 PM
I've already picked up a couple of my Grail items with the exception of:

A nice, but shootable S&W Triplelock .44Spl

Steve F
March 22, 2005, 06:15 PM
Winchester 1 of 1000:what: Drooooooool :cool:

March 22, 2005, 07:32 PM
A minty 1903 Mannlicher-Schoenauer 6.5X54 ( to match the ugly one I already have)
a nice Winchester Model 71 in .348
My Great GrandDad's Model 86 Winchester (darn cuz won't sell it)
a 4 inch Python

March 22, 2005, 07:46 PM
I want a Springfield Armory (the original Springfield Armory) M1911, circa 1914, in mint condition, if you please.

For now, though, I would be very, very happy with a nice Sistema, with Air Force winged crest, preferably.

Dave Markowitz
March 23, 2005, 09:55 AM
Here are a coupla those Dave ...........

Chris, you suck.


March 23, 2005, 09:59 AM
An original German Luger in .45 ACP.

March 23, 2005, 10:40 AM
A german Vierling in 12x12x9.3x22lr
One really expensive piece of work for all your hunting needs :evil:

"This is how with a few simple modifications you can turn one gun into 5 guns."

March 23, 2005, 10:49 AM
A minty 1903 Mannlicher-Schoenauer 6.5X54

Copycat. :p

I'm not sure if I want the 6.5 or something else. I already have a 6.5x55.


March 23, 2005, 10:57 AM
A blued, 3 1/2 inch Smith & Wesson pre-Model 27 made in 1953. I want it in excellent condition but not new so I can shoot it. Find it for me Wild, please.

P.S. Do you think you could find it really cheap?

Redneck Revolver
March 23, 2005, 11:53 AM
i second the .45 acp original german luger.

March 23, 2005, 11:56 AM
S&W Model of 1950

March 23, 2005, 12:27 PM
Thompson, BAR, Barret Semi.

March 23, 2005, 01:01 PM
Mine would be a GA Precision in .308 or .300 WSM, teflon'd green, with a McMillan A5 stock 50% green, 25% brown, 25% tan swirl, Badger rail and rings, and a Nightforce 5.5-22X50 on top. And a Jet supressor, if it ain't too much to ask. :D

March 23, 2005, 01:47 PM
For more than one firearm, I'd have to say any and all five screw Smith and Wessons, in pristine condition.

For one gun, and one only?

Drake National Match 1911 pistol.

March 23, 2005, 04:37 PM
The .38 Super was introduced in 1929 in the famous Colt Government Model 1911 auto pistol. At the time of its introduction the .38 Super was the most powerful auto pistol cartridge in the world. Colt is the only major American gun maker who has produced .38 Super pistols. The .38 Super is one of the most powerful and flat-shooting cartridges available for auto-loading pistols. "

That's what I want. Getting one in MA would be no small feat.


March 23, 2005, 04:42 PM
Getting one in MA would be no small feat.

???? Why cant ya get one in Mass?


March 23, 2005, 07:25 PM
And I saw one at a gun show!
A beautifuly engraved, with outstanding wood, mint, Westley Richards.

Couldn't quite cover the $42,000 asking price though. :what: :(

A close second would be the Turnbull restored Winchester 1886 in .45-70 I saw at the same show. If I save my pennies that one is a realistic goal some day.

March 23, 2005, 08:23 PM
well heheh i am a gijoe collector, so i have many "grails"
BUT- weapon wise- uhhhh,.......
i would like to find {ammo} for a certain device someone i know has but we have never been able to use.

that, and a large enough target.

March 23, 2005, 08:34 PM
Took me nearly 20 years, but I finally found mine about a month ago....a Winchester 52B Sporter (1948) in mint condition.



March 23, 2005, 08:37 PM
How about a real blond with a Rolls.

March 23, 2005, 10:02 PM
It might just very well be this one:


March 23, 2005, 10:56 PM
???? Why cant ya get one in Mass?

Because our Attorney General Tom Riley has not deemed them safe enough for the peasants. :banghead: Any handgun sold in MA must be MA compliant AND be on the Atorney General's approved roster and although most handguns are by far safe enough to make the roster most manufacturers could care less if they can sell their handguns in MA and don't bother to submit pistols for testing. (And I don't blame them.)
Here's a quote from Springfield Armory, "WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF GOING THROUGH THE MASSACHUSETTS CERTIFICATION PROCESS because the laws and regulations are not clear".

Here is a page that shows many of the handguns we are not allowed to buy....

The only ways I could get one are if someone moves here from another state and wishes to sell it or if some in MA has owned one since before the rule went into effect and wishes to sell it. It sucks. I don't like it. I vote. I'm active. I own a home in this state and I'm not gonna change things by myself so :banghead: .


March 23, 2005, 11:09 PM

March 23, 2005, 11:33 PM
It's just too bad that I'd need to win the lottery to get one. But I can still hope and dream. :o


captain obvious
March 23, 2005, 11:42 PM
First on the [short] list would be a WWII Sturmgewehr 44 - whether or not ammo would be easily available.

I have already promised myself that should I win the lottery, or come into enough money somehow, my only "splurge" purchase would be a Fulton Armory M14 - I intend to get one, someday.

I already have one of my "grail guns," though; and thanks to Century Arms, at a reasonable price. The only relatives that I had that fought on the ground in WWII fought for the Germans, and my family has confirmed that four died at Stalingrad. I now have a [ruskie capture] 98k Mauser that could have been one of theirs.

Cool Hand Luke 22:36
March 24, 2005, 12:44 AM
Thompson SMG, full auto.

Or the actual Holy Grail, that would be cool also.

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