Another visit to the Box O' Truth


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longrifleman
March 21, 2005, 04:53 PM
Go here. (http://www.theboxotruth.com/8/)

The entire series is interesting if you haven't seen it.

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dasmi
March 21, 2005, 05:00 PM
4. I "racked" the shotgun several times during the tests, and no bystanders lost control of their bowels. Conclusion: Racking a shotgun will not make the bad guy faint.

Great quote :)

psyopspec
March 21, 2005, 05:11 PM
This is their most useful test yet - effect of heavy clothing on hollow point pistol rounds for those of you that haven't clicked the link. My own conclusion from the tests would be that in winter, when thick clothing is the norm, a large size hole is more important than the choice of FMJ or JHP.

jefnvk
March 21, 2005, 07:05 PM
Wish he would have tested the .25.

3rdpig
March 21, 2005, 07:15 PM
Makes me want to send him a box of PowRballs to test, since the hollow points are already plugged with a polymer ball one would think that clothing would have less of an impact on them than it would on regular hollowpoints. I love the box of truth tests!

WheelMan
March 21, 2005, 09:50 PM
The .32 acp in "full recoil" picture is pretty funny.

That page makes me want to build my own box of truth.

10 Ring Tao
March 21, 2005, 11:31 PM
Supposedly, the new EFMJ rounds aren't effected by clothing the way JHPs are. I'd like to see this same test done head to head with EFMJ vs JHP.

hillbilly
March 21, 2005, 11:54 PM
Quote:
4. I "racked" the shotgun several times during the tests, and no bystanders lost control of their bowels. Conclusion: Racking a shotgun will not make the bad guy faint.


Oh, ha ha ha.

Completely disproves the idea that the sound of a shotgun being racked into battery has any deterrent value whatsoever.

Very clever.

:rolleyes:

Here's my argument.

1) Looking at a Great White shark on your TV is one thing.

2) Looking at a Great White shark that's suddenly appeared near to you as you snorkel around a reef several hundred yards from shore is something else entirely.

So......

Hearing the sound of a shotgun being racked on a controlled, open shooting range where you fully expect to hear such sounds is one thing.

Hearing the same sound unexpectedly come from the bedroom at the end of the darkened hallway when you thought nobody was home and you could break, enter, and burgle with impunity is something else entirely.

Or....

Hearing the same sound unexpectedly come from the bedroom at the end of the darkened hallway when you thought the people home would be helpless, defenseless sheep with whom you could do as you wished is something else entirely.

hillbilly

Kamicosmos
March 22, 2005, 12:19 AM
Hillbilly....the shotgun thing is sarcasm, I trust you know that.

I will add this to counter though. Are you willing to put your life on the line that a 12 gauge racking sound will indeed 'scare off' an assailant when/if that time comes?

I sure as hell am not!

hillbilly
March 22, 2005, 12:29 AM
Uh, that'd be the point, wouldn't it, Kamicosmos?

The "CLACK-CLACK" will be immediately followed by a very loud "BOOM" if the bad guy fails to get the hint and keeps coming down the hall.

hillbilly

g56
March 22, 2005, 01:26 AM
4. I "racked" the shotgun several times during the tests, and no bystanders lost control of their bowels. Conclusion: Racking a shotgun will not make the bad guy faint.
I know it's supposed to be a funny, however...back when I was a Deputy I knew of 2 confirmed cases when hearing that sound caused burglars to vacate a premisis in great haste. The burglars thought the residents were either asleep or absent, that sound confirmed that the homeowner was awake, alert and ready to shoot...EXIT burglars!

Outbacker
March 22, 2005, 02:40 AM
long,

I love the BOT. Great stuff! Keep it coming!!! :cool:

Sergeant Sabre
March 22, 2005, 12:49 PM
Those tests, while unscientific, are extremely entertaining to read and very informative. Like I said, it's unscientific, but I think that the most recet test demonstrates very well the possible effects of heavy clothing on hollow point bullets.
The only request I would have is that different brands of HP rounds be tested to see if any expand better than others. But it's not my box... :)

Bear Gulch
March 22, 2005, 01:35 PM
I would think that round velocity has a great deal to do with expansion. While the mighty .32 acp has a hollow tip, I doubt that it has sufficient energy to expand reliably.

sturmruger
March 22, 2005, 02:05 PM
Wow that guys does some interesting expierments.

Coltdriver
March 22, 2005, 02:20 PM
I wanted to say thanks for posting the pointer to the BOT.

That is interesting and practical information.

Makes 9mm and .45 look a lot more alike than different!

Gives me renewed confidence in my .357 rounds.

Gives me great respect for a 45-70!

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