I wish Kel-Tec had better competition in Cali...


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Kenshin
March 21, 2005, 10:48 PM
..so we calis have more rifles to choose from.

Semi-auto wise.

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beerslurpy
March 21, 2005, 11:38 PM
Either fix the laws or start your own company.

The problem is with the voters and the politicians in CA, not with the companies that refuse to jump through 30 hoops like a circus animal.

If I owned my own gun company, I would not even bother with the CA market. Almost every gun owner who is worth selling to has either left entirely or has property out-of-state for shooting/gun owning (like the guys who partly live in NV).

Number 6
March 22, 2005, 12:33 AM
Almost every gun owner who is worth selling to has either left entirely or has property out-of-state for shooting/gun owning (like the guys who partly live in NV).

Hmm, I buy a lot of guns and I have not moved, nor do I own property out of state. There are some gun companies here and some do continue to thrive. I always thought if I owned a company that manufactured firearms, I would have a line of products that would be California compliant. Remember, California is a very large state and is a very large market. I think this is indicated by Kel Tec created the SU-16CA model after getting a large number of emails, and also by Robinson Armament considering making a California legal XCR. Like Kenshin said, I too think there should be more competition for the SU-16 other than the Mini-14.

beerslurpy
March 22, 2005, 12:51 AM
There's plenty of competition, you just cant buy it. Think about why.

How long until the SU16CA gets declared an assault rifle as well? Im not trying to be defeatist, but CA has basically given itself the ability to administratively ban guns and there is no amount of designing that can circumvent that. The solution is to fix the legal situation.

Its not a matter of the market not existing, its that the CA attorney general can jerk the rug out from under your feet at a moment's notice.

Just my opinion, obviously.

Bigfoot
March 22, 2005, 07:04 AM
Don't count out the new Mini-14 yet it's possible that Ruger did something right. Here's a guy that's getting 1.5" groups with factory ammo. http://www.perfectunion.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=14530

jobu07
March 22, 2005, 07:46 AM
What's wrong with the mini-14? :evil:

Dread Pirate 257 Roberts
March 22, 2005, 09:36 AM
The Mini-14 has a reputation for not being that accurate.

Although I'd rather have its operating-rod operating system than that of the AR.

Snorkel Bob
March 22, 2005, 06:39 PM
If I owned my own gun company, I would not even bother with the CA market. Almost every gun owner who is worth selling to has either left entirely or has property out-of-state for shooting/gun owning (like the guys who partly live in NV).

Im gonna have to disagree with you on that one. California is probabaly the largest firearm market in the states. Just because you hear of Fienstein making here speaches doesn't mean we are all like that.
I sell more firearms in my store than anyone else in our company. And we have 400 stores.
You just have to look past the bull????

carpettbaggerr
March 22, 2005, 07:04 PM
How many AR-15's did you sell?

Snorkel Bob
March 23, 2005, 11:56 PM
none, we tend to sell more of the "traditional" hunting firearms. Plus the fact that the detachable AR15 is not allowed to be sold here in CA anyways.
there are more to firearms than the AR15. As hard is it is to believe.

I'm damn glad I got mine before the ban went into effect

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