[sonny]

Has anyone had any notable problems with outside influences such as schools,local authorities or other because of your familys beliefs or behaviors.....have you or your kids been singled out for disagreing or sticking with traditional values on anything in particular due to the new PC world we're living in?
Well I'm sure many have .....I would like to know particulars if it is not too personal.

[sonny]

Um....I have a reason for asking and I'll let you all know as soon as I figure out how to present it.

[AnklePocket]

Yes. I had a group of close friends from college most of which are lawyers. They are very much against the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. I'm very outspoken, but clearly respectful of the opinions of others. They're not. In our many discussions I've never once personally attacked anyone although I've been personally attacked several times. I just let it roll and tried to not let it disrupt a friendship.
We used to all get together regularly with the tots and all. Now none of them want anything to do with me. I kind of get a sense that they're very weak minded and my core American values and beliefs kind of expose them for what they are and they feel much subconscious shame - not that it was even remotely ever my intent.
It probably doesn't help their "cause" that my kids are absolutely models of precious joy and theirs are mostly horrifying mass marketed high content sugared cereal eaters. I'm content with my career and they're all absolutely miserable. I'm happily married while they're tortured souls. Pattern? I'm positive that they say bad things about me behind my back.
Oh, and the main offender went on a cruise with his wife leaving the kids at home. Nothing wrong with that, really, but we always bring our kids on trips. A few years ago while on a cruise their 1 year old daughter got meningitis and came very, very close to dying. She lost a lot of hearing which is very bad at that age. So as soon as she got reasonably better they went back on another cruise without the kids. Maybe I'm just look'in for a reason. Pattern?

[Don Gwinn]

Yes. My boys only came to live with us six months ago (early August.) Before that, they lived with three different guardians, none of them people I would want to raise my children. They were taught that guns are evil. They were also taught that hunters are "evil" because they "kill nature." In the last household they lived in, mentioning firearms gets you yelled at.

Their consumption of television and Disney was constant.

[geekWithA.45]

His kids really are great.

[AnklePocket]

:)

[sonny]

Well....I found out on monday that my younger son (15) got in trouble at school.
The reason.....He decked some punk....who has been using every tactic he could to get into my little guy's head .
What's my problem?............my boy's are good kids,decent students,and good athletes....they stay out trouble for the most part and don't have any problems at school exept for with the KIDS THAT SHOULD NOT BE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE....What ever happened to expelling kids that disrupted class,sold drugs or initiated violence continuously.According to some of the other kids and parents I spoke to this group of kids are a constant problem in this school and nobody does anything about it.
It started with the classic racial slurs...WHITE BOY.....and it escalated into a fight......How do I know that?.....#1 because it's not the first time I've heard about this name calling crap #2 my sons have friends of all colors and they are good kid's and they wittnessed it #3 the teachers at his school like my boys and have never had trouble with them in the past according to them.
Here's where the problem begins ......I taught my sons to fight...they have been boxing from a young age and have taken some martial arts training from their uncle (my brother)....well I always told them that they have every right to defend themselves if anyone puts their hands on them and I meant it.
Problem is.....is that the NYC school board disagrees....violence never solves anything they say and both parties are responsible.....WHAT?.....it seems that there is some sort of cool off period and jr's got to stay home....... If it were not for the sports teams at school ....I think I would just as soon home school them at this point ....this crap is getting old .....the bottom line is that the school board-principal are not willing to take a stand on acceptable behavior and it's affecting good kids. :cuss:

[HABU]

Sonny
Sorry to hear about your dissagreement with the school board. I hope everything works out.If it were not for the sports teams at school ....I think I would just as soon home school them at this point Where I am at, home schooled kids get to participate in school sports where they would normally attend. You may not be so anxious to home school after things cool off.:D

[sonny]

HABU....Thanks for the tip about the school sports...I'll look into it,The boys arent bothered as much as I am and they don't want me to make a scene (I understand I was young once).....They assure me that it's under control and I have faith in them......I did not raise bullies but I have to admit I was proud of him not backing down.....he's a tough little SOB :)

[Khornet]

my beautiful and wise-beyond-her-years daughter was routinely mocked and isolated at her public high school for questioning the Party Line, as well as for being a diligent student and using words of three or more syllables (I'm not exaggerating). She came home one day and said "I'm not going back there next year. I don't care if I have to join the Army, I'm not going back." She's now thriving in private school. Her younger brothers will join her soon as finances shape up.

[Camel]

I remember school. I had a few problems in school as Im very outspoken about my beliefs. After 10 years of public school I had come to the conclusion that everyone else was an idiot. That seemed to work for me. Ive only ever been in one fight and didnt get in trouble because he would have had to admit I whupped him. After 10th grade I decided that another year would drive me insane. So I found virtual school. I cant recomend it enough. The teachers even appreciate that some of the source material has an anti-gun bias.

For the parents who want to look into it.
Florida Virtual School (http://www.flvs.net)

[Mark Benningfield]

Hello All.

Oh yeah, mostly with my oldest. I've always tried to teach my kids the actual history of this great nation, and to teach them to never let the truth go undefended. Several times I've had to "conference" with my older son's history and civics teachers because he wouldn't let it slide when they got out their whitewash brush. Funny, they never seem to want to get into the meat of the convtroversy; that is, whenever I ask what it was that the teacher tried to pass off as education, they say that the point is that my son disagreed with the teacher, thereby not behaving like a proper drone. In every case so far, the teacher has been shown to be factually wrong and my son vindicated. I keep telling them that my son will continue to defend the truth, and so will my daughter and younger son, so they had better get used to it. Man, they don't like us much.:D

[Felonious Monk]

Sonny--I found out on monday that my younger son (15) got in trouble at school. The reason.....He decked some punk....who has been using every tactic he could to get into my little guy's head . What's my problem?............my boy's are good kids,decent students,and good athletes....they stay out trouble for the most part and don't have any problems at school exept for with the KIDS THAT SHOULD NOT BE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE....What ever happened to expelling kids that disrupted class,sold drugs or initiated violence continuously.Wow! I'm not alone as a parent in seeing the American public education system as a sinking hell-hole of dysfunction! :rolleyes:I always told them that they have every right to defend themselves if anyone puts their hands on them and I meant it. Problem is.....is that the NYC school board disagrees....violence never solves anything they say and both parties are responsible.....WHAT?.....it seems that there is some sort of cool off period and jr's got to stay home....... If it were not for the sports teams at school ....I think I would just as soon home school them at this point My heart goes out to you, friend! I am SO in the same boat. My girls (13 & 7) are thriving in a home school environment (2 years and counting for the oldest, one for the youngest). The oldest went through 5th grade in public school, but it was a VERY atypical school--small, neighborhood school of less than 250 kids. Youngest is ADHD (check my posts as Fignozzle on TFL for the full story), and went through 2nd grade in public school.

My son's in 5th grade now at the same school, and plays Baseball, Soccer, and Basketball. Excels in all, and wants to play his first season of football this fall. Long story...I will NEVER push a sport, but will be the #1 cheerleader of ANY they want to try. With the previous sports experience and the fact that at 11, he's what we call in the south "10lbs of $#!^ in a 5lb bag" (meaning he's packed tight...VERY stout), he will probably both love and excel in football.

What's a guy to do? In TN, homeschoolers can't do public school extracurricular activities. No band, no football, etc.

OTOH, we could be moving to FL, so it might be a moot point.

But, I'm rambling.
SONNY-- I am SO proud of you for teaching your boys that it's RIGHT to defend themselves when/if someone puts their hands on them! You might HAVE to home school/private school to get them an education that goes along with your values.

Ya know what? The new car and name brand shoes will be forgotten. Your kids won't even miss 'em!
Character and values are FOREVER, bro!

How many gravestones have you seen that say "Here lies Joe Smith. He ALWAYS had the coolest gear!"

Those who go down in history as heroes and champions are the ones whose epitaphs say "Courage. Honor. Integrity. Bravery. Stood up for the weak. Defended the truth. Served Selflessly. Triumphed in the midst of adversity."

I want my kids to have at least the foundations that will allow them to BE those things. The milquetoast, politically correct whine-meisters in administration at most public schools want 'em mindless, opinionless drones. Makes their job easier.

The easy way is never the one that satisfies deeply.
I saw a sigline the other day that I LOVED:

"For those who fight for it, life has a flavor the protected will never know."

Fight, Sonny, to allow those boys to become the leaders and champions you know they have it in them to be.

Sermon over.
I have to go wipe my eyes now. I'm at the office and people will think I'm having a breakdown. :scrutiny: :what:

[Quartus]

Homeschool. No problem. :D


It's not as hard as you think, and cheaper than private school. Lots of resources available.


And what will football, band, etc. really matter in the long run? Sure, they have some value, but compared to CHARACTER?

[sonny]

Thanks for the reply Monk,
The boy's are a little confused at my frustration with this and I am having a hard time trying to explain to them why it is getting to me so much.....According to them it is no big deal and this sort of thing happens all the time at school.
A couple more years and this will all be over, they will both graduate and probably be swinging hammers with dear old dad:)
They are both very hard workers yet they don't seem too interested in college and the chance that the little guy will continue playing baseball is possible but remote,they are both skilled boxers(for their ages) and although I encourage the training aspect of the sport I hope to god neither of them chooses that path. :uhoh: I have seen the ugly side of that sport.
My beef with the board of ed is ....where do they draw the line with these BAD kids?......Half of them should be in prison for god's sake!.....I'm not kidding!.....Too many "second" chances and it starts to affect the rest of the kids who want to learn.....or do their time in peace:)

[Khornet]

You must fell the way I do when the "doctors kill more people than guns" threads come up. (I'm a Doc)

I'm sure I speak for all here when I say that teacher doesn't equal socialist wet smack necessarily, and please don't let these rants make you feel unwelcome. But it just can't be gotten around: the overall policy of the governing bodies of American education is hostile to freedom, and hostile to the truth.

Your point earlier about how parents are responsible for instilling values is exactly right, and illustrated by the posts on this thread. But it must be said that what our schools are actively doing is subverting those values. They are teaching a value system all their own. They long ago ceased to be about education. So please pardon the vitriol; we are in the position of having our earnings confiscated to be used to teach our children not to respect our values, and it makes us angry.:fire: