How this LEO deals with CCW holders


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Checkman
March 23, 2005, 04:12 PM
An earlier thread got me thinking. This is how I deal with folks with a CCW and those who don't have one. Most officers I work with take a similar approach. But I only work for one department. I can't speak for other PD's across the state.

Here in Idaho when I run a person's DL I am automatically informed that they have a concealed permit. The permit number is the same as the DL number. Citizens are not required to inform me that they have a concealed permit. I don't ask them about it and I leave it up to them if they want to tell me. I have also had contact with folks carrying openly in the past. Here in Idaho they can carry openly. How did I handle it? Well I stayed aware of the fact that they were armed and did my job. One time I had to speak to a fella who had a loaded Remington 700 30-06 on the hood of his truck. What did I do?

I politely asked him if I could empty the chamber, keep the bolt open and move the rifle off to the side. I also told him that I wasn't taking his rifle. I made a joke about paranoid cops and he was fine with it. Said if he was in my shoes he would do the same thing.

Now am I trying to set myself up as a real cool guy? No. Here in Idaho gun ownership is taken very seriously and those of us in law enforcement know that it's not something to be messed with. If a local department became known as being anti-gun it would just cause all type of heartburn.

I am a gunowner and many of my fellow officers are gunowners. May of us are also members of the NRA. If you're breaking the law then you'll be in trouble. If you're a law abiding gunowner then there won't be any problems. I might take the occasional preventive measure such as with the rifle, but when I left the rifle and ammo stayed with the owner. My personal experience is that most gunowners understand that our job is a little different and agree with us exercising some caution. As long as I don't act like an a*****e and treat folks with some manners they return the favor. Usually.

Anyway that's how I do things. Now if you're a known gangmember I'm going to be acting a little differently. But the average gangmember is not a lawabiding gunowner - far from it.

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Oderus
March 23, 2005, 04:41 PM
Sounds like a cop LEO that I would like to be stopped by (if I happen to get pulled over.) What part of Idaho do you work in?

Spoonman
March 23, 2005, 04:46 PM
Thanks for the "commom-sense cop" post, Checkman. You don't have to set yourself up as one, you ARE a cool guy.

brian roberts
March 23, 2005, 05:17 PM
that's all some people need to know to keep the situation from deteriorating. there was one important fact you made quite apparent, "i am a gun owner..." you see, one of the problems is that, particularly here in the east, an officer may be from most ANYwhere, but not necessarily from HERE. there's a big difference. officers who are working in their "own back yard" may view things differently than others. many of these officers don't own firearms, except the one they "have to qualify with" & feel that any gun in a car being transported in a case(long gun) has to be up to no good. i know around here before we went to "charter government" the police were fair, but firm. there seemed to be less "crime", too. it seems to me, & i'm just using personal observation here, i rarely see the police when i'm out. i see them at accidents, i rarely see them on patrol when there are speeders jumping from lane to lane. & i don't see as many "plain wrappers" as we used to have. i believe PRESENCE goes a long way toward deterrence of petty crime such as housebreakings, etc. even when you read the police reports in the paper, there's never the words: "officers apprehended joe dick as he was leaving the house w/the poor ol' lady's silverware." now we always seem to be able to get some new eggbeater to keep people awake on weekend nights, because we gotta "war on drugs" going on....but i (once again) have never seen the words: "police today at nimbus airport confiscated a Lear 29D, which had just landed w/300 kilos of coke on board & simultaneously arrested 75 people across the state, including Sen. Jack Off as a result of three years undercover work." they can always get them little independant entrepreneurs, though :cool:. but back on track, though, i want to personally thank you for your approach, & let you know, for what its worth, that i deeply appreciate your consideration for the citizens you come in contact with in your job each day. thanks again.

Outbacker
March 23, 2005, 05:41 PM
Checkman,

Your courtesy will always be appreciated and returned by me and mine.

For my part, I will continue to:

1) Pull completely off to the side of the road and cut off the engine when stopped by an LEO,
2) Have my license, registration, and CCW permit out for inspection,
3) Keep both hands on the steering wheel,
4) Remove my sunglasses, speak clearly and politely, and look LEOs straight in the eye when speaking with them,
5) Never argue with an LEO if at all possible. If I ever have a problem with one, I can ask for the name of their watch commander/supervisor and deal with the problem later.

I am always delighted to hear from LEOs like you, Checkman. I have met a few that have a chip on their shoulder and are very rude. That is the EXCEPTION in my experience, though, not the rule.

Cheers!

Standing Wolf
March 23, 2005, 05:45 PM
Here in Idaho gun ownership is taken very seriously and those of us in law enforcement know that it's not something to be messed with.

Idaho is one of the nation's adult states.

jobu07
March 23, 2005, 06:03 PM
"Idaho is one of the nation's adult states."

Amen to that. I wish there were more adult states in our union.

Otherguy Overby
March 23, 2005, 06:26 PM
I remain undecided regarding notifiying an officer where it's not required by law.

I've a DL from one state, a CCW from another and mostly live in another two states. So, there's no way for an officer to know of the CCW permit.

One of those states where I live does not require disclosure and though the state has reciprocity with Florida, not all know or believe it. So not telling on myself there seems a better course of action. IOW, why create an unneeded problem.

The other state is a gun control paradise, so telling on oneself would, shall we say, be counter productive, even if doing something legally.

Just imagine what would happen if you were stopped by the CHP in California and happened to mention "I've a bunch of firearms in my trunk and they are all legal...

BTW, parts of Idaho are absolutely gorgeous, and Checkman seems a standup guy.

ps I travel a lot (driving) and the various gun laws in different states are a PITA to keep up with and packing.org is quite useful.

50 Freak
March 23, 2005, 06:34 PM
Checkman: dude your the Bomb!!!!!!!!!!

Any chance you will come out here to Kali (not a snowball's chance in hell huh). We need more LEO's with your style. Not the "I am God, you must obey me" mentality a lot of the LEO's out here have.

Either way, if I ran accross more LEO's like you, I wouldn't have this distrust I do of the LEO's out here. I often wonder though, the only bad LEO experiences I have are from big city cops (LA, SF) and all the good ones I have are from rural communities. Wonder if there is a connection? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

The Rabbi
March 23, 2005, 06:36 PM
Actually that looks a little like the approach to Nickajack Lake.

I wouldn't expect LEOs to come on this forum and boast about how they're gonna bust our hides because only "well trained" officers need handguns. Thats not to say there arent officers like that (they may even be the majority for all I know) but you wont see them posting like that on this forum.

Lil38
March 23, 2005, 06:52 PM
I like reading posts like this one. Ya know,... Florida has excellent weather mostly year round! :rolleyes: You should consider moving here to train others to act in this manner! Should be a national standard :D Not that I've encountered any problems, yet. I'm a newbie and I'm not completely up-to-date on requirements here... excuse me- time to visit www.packing.org gotta check on a few things :p

bill2
March 23, 2005, 06:57 PM
If a local department became known as being anti-gun it would just cause all type of heartburn.
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I've heard from a friend of mine that moved to ID that Boise is changing and becoming less friendly to gun owners, because of all the CA cops moving there. Is this true? partly true? or just plain bull?

Bear Gulch
March 23, 2005, 07:19 PM
Actually I think Checkman represents the feelings of most Idaho LEOs. We are fortunate to have such folks enforcing the law for us. Aren't you blue staters jealous!

bill2
March 23, 2005, 07:23 PM
Actually I think Checkman represents the feelings of most Idaho LEOs. We are fortunate to have such folks enforcing the law for us. Aren't you blue staters jealous
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Yes, I haven't had much contact with police here in CA, but the general anti-gun atmosphere here in the bay area is a pain to deal with.

Bear Gulch
March 23, 2005, 07:29 PM
Bill my brother in law and his family live in Antioch. Nice place, but I wouldn't live there for anything. I'd live to see California divided into noethern and southern. I think it would break up all those electoral vote going blue each time.

bill2
March 23, 2005, 07:32 PM
Yeah, CA can be a pain in the ass at times. but my wife and I love some things about but not others. many people have mentioned splitting CA up, east/west, north south, north/middle/south.
I was in ID last summer and really liked, both south in Boise and north in C'oeur d'Alene (spelling).

No_Brakes23
March 23, 2005, 09:50 PM
Bear Gulch said...
Aren't you blue staters jealous!
As a Californian, (And there is enough good here to get me to stay,) I am actually jealous of other blue states like WA and OR that have more leftist views (Talking Portland and Sea-Tac here,) but have more liberal gun laws.

I am looking to become LE myself real soon, and I did a ride-along with a buddy that got hired with one of the local PDs after he got out of the Corps. What an eye-opener. It was 12 hours of non-stop sh1theads, (The people, not the cops.) That doesn't excuse Cali cops acting like a55h0les, but it certainly explains it. And for the record, with the exception of farming out speeding tickets and 415s for BMX riding, I have had mostly good expierence with LE.

P95Carry
March 23, 2005, 09:55 PM
Great sentiments Checkman ......... come work in PA for a change - you can pull me over anytime!! :)

Then we'll drop in to the range and shoot a while! :p

Stevie-Ray
March 23, 2005, 09:59 PM
I have met a few that have a chip on their shoulder and are very rude. That is the EXCEPTION in my experience, though, not the rule. I quite agree. I have a great respect for LEOs, but great contempt for punks on a power trip. Yes I have met a few in my lifetime, but considering that's almost 49 years, there's a great majority of great cops out there.

CAPTAIN MIKE
March 23, 2005, 10:17 PM
Las Vegas LEOs that I have encountered have been very professional and squared-away. They don't take any crap but they don't dish it out either.

When I have presented ID and CCW permit, they've never seemed surprised or adversarial in the slightest. I always conduct myself with politeness and respect, and it is given in return. After whatever business is taken care of, sometimes we've even exchanged views on what they carry versus my daily carry.

I usually end the encounter by telling the officer something along the line of 'Thanks for being out here. Though some people don't say thank-you, I just want you to know we appreciate you doing your job so professionally.'
My sentiments are sincere, and I figure it might just go better for the next guy too if they hear an occasional Thank-You from a citizen.



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thatguy
March 24, 2005, 05:10 AM
Even if not required by law to disclose I would never withold that I was carrying. The last thing I want is a cop to discover I am armed because he may react badly. If he wants the gun I give it to him. Has never happened, though.

BTW, I wait with both hands on the wheel until asked to get out documentation. Being pulled over and suddenly rumaging around in the glovebox may look suspicious. More bad reactions, you know?

jsalcedo
March 24, 2005, 07:31 AM
I was pulled over last week just outside of El Paso by a DPS state trooper.

He came around to the passenger side window and asked to see my license
and insurance.

I handed him the items along with my CHL and said "I have to give you this as well"

He asked me where my weapon was and I told him it was in the console.

I stepped out of the vehicle at his request and he wrote me a warning
for travelling 78 in a 75.

Pretty nice guy overall and as always 100% professional like all Texas state troopers I've talked to.

MikeIsaj
March 24, 2005, 08:28 AM
Checkman is a good cop who reacts the way a good cop does in Idaho. Policing has a regional aspect to it. I live in the northeast, blue state central. It is a different demographic that requires a different approach. Everyone is trying to impress everyone else and you can have many decent people acting like hoods trying to impress you. I work in corrections and find that I get much better results from attitudes I learned in San Bernardino Ca. before the communist takeover, than I would from acting like a Philly tough guy.

As I've said in other posts, it's not about what you are required to do, it's about what is the right thing to do. I don't need a law to tell me to act like a gentleman, and if I act like a gentleman I will probably be treated like one.

The postings on the several current threads on this subject (one started by me) all point out good encounters with LEO. So, why do we feel we need to prove a point with them. On the side of the road with a cop is a dangerous place to flex your legal knowledge and withold information that he should be given for everyones safety. Just because you legally can, doesn't mean you should.

Checkman
March 24, 2005, 10:24 AM
For those who asked I work for a city police department in Canyon County - which is next door to Ada County and Boise. We're the second most populated county in Idaho and we have our problems. Meth labs, gangs and their "wars", barricaded suspects, homicides etc. But nevertheless it's home and we like it. When I was nearing the end of my time in the Army we considered staying back east. More jobs, better pay etc., but we missed Idaho.

Incidentally I also have an Idaho concealed weapons permit. First of all by having a permit I don't have to go through the NCIC check when I buy a gun. Second of all I support the program.

Anyway thanks for the complimentary posts.

The Rabbi
March 24, 2005, 10:53 AM
I stepped out of the vehicle at his request and he wrote me a warning

That he stopped you at all for that is nonsense. In some states there is a statutory 5mph before they can stop you.

logical
March 24, 2005, 11:12 AM
He said the warning was for 78 in a 75. He didn't say he was only going 78. That usually means you were doing 85, but there is no such thing as a warning for going 10 over in many areas......warnings are up to 5 over, and anything else is a ticket.

The LEO probably has to issue something just to close the loop on the fact that he called the guys plate in and radioed in that he had the guy stopped.

The Rabbi
March 24, 2005, 11:17 AM
OK. that makes more sense.

Steve in PA
March 24, 2005, 11:24 AM
In PA, under 55mph (posted speed limit) you get 11mph over before you can be cited. Over 55mph its 6mph over.

However you can be stopped at any time and given a warning either verbal or written (which carries no penalties).

DSRUPTV
March 24, 2005, 12:22 PM
Well you can count one more good LEO as I should be working soon, (1-2 months) and will take the same respectful approach to CCW holders. I see no reason to get excited about someone who has passed a background check, and conversly, I think it would put me more at ease. This will be especially true here in NC as we are obligated to notify and "put the cards out on the table."

Biker
March 24, 2005, 01:31 PM
I've lived in ID since 1976 and I can say that the cops in this state are, for the most part, down-home folks. I ride a 1949 Harley chop and wear leathers, got the hair, beard, the whole enchilada, but ID LEOs treat me and my Bros with the same respect that we give them. The key word is respect: Give it and you'll get it, and that works on both sides of the coin. I have however, raised a few eyebrows when I present my cwp along with my DL on the rare occasions I've been pulled over. :)
Biker

Bear Gulch
March 24, 2005, 06:46 PM
Idaho has good folks of all professions. It is one of the most polite places that I have ever lived. It also is "old west" enough were individualism is respected.

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