[Guy B. Meredith]

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/

[Third_Rail]

When even CNN agrees with you, you KNOW something bad is afoot.

[Standing Wolf]

It sure didn't take Bush long to forget who elected him, did it?

[PMDW]

It sure didn't take Bush long to forget who elected him, did it?

He doesn't care anymore, he can't run again. Now we get to see who he really is.

[dasmi]

I am comforted by the fact that the vast majority of people who answered the poll were offended by Bush.

[Biker]

It is the immigration issue that finally broke the camel's back for me concerning Bush and cost him my vote. I'm now an ex-member of the Reub Party.
Biker

[beerslurpy]

I've been saying for months now that the border situation is going to win Hilary the next election if the republicans dont get their act together.

[Standing Wolf]

I've been saying for months now that the border situation is going to win Hilary the next election if the republicans dont get their act together.

I hope you're wrong. I'm afraid you're right.

[Third_Rail]

Oh no. If you're worried SW, we're all screwed. :uhoh:

[EghtySx]

Quote:
I've been saying for months now that the border situation is going to win Hilary the next election if the republicans dont get their act together.



I hope you're wrong. I'm afraid you're right.

Ya. :uhoh: I better buy all the guns I can between now and '08. :D Just in case ;)

[CarbineKid]

IIRC Pat Buchannan stated that we should seal off the boarders, and he was called a racist. That was around 1992? Now we are screaming bloody murder that the boarders are not sealed off. I agree the boarders will be a major issue, but it can't win any demorat a seat as they are waay to soft on crime and security. Im all in favor of mineing the boarder, but Im not very PC.

[Cool Hand Luke 22:36]

Bush is no Conservative Republican. He is a big-spending Liberal Democrat hawk in the LBJ - Scoop Jackson mold.

Bush's only sop to us is minor things like no new gun control, but he is a socialist Liberal to the core of his being otherwise. Recall his desire to extend Social Security benefits to Mexican elderly with virtually no proof reqiured that they ever worked in the US. Bush's response when called on it was "But there's a lot of poor elderly folks in Mexico, and we can help that." :cuss:

Seems like about half of what Bush proposes is mindless Socialism at its finest. :cuss:

[stevelyn]

Vote for Bush. He's our friend. He's our only hope. Voting for a third party is throwing away your vote and supporting Kerry. :rolleyes:

[beerslurpy]

No, I think Bush realizes that long term lots of young mexican workers willing to work for under minimum wage is, in a sense, "good for the country." I guess he figures that any who stay and integrate will be hard-working and successful taxpayers and probably vote for whoever didnt try to kick them out the country. This goes doubly for any children they have.

I think he is afraid of pissing off the companies that hire the illegals and also afraid of the voting children of the illegals being a millstone around the necks of the republicans in the coming decades. Poor treatment of hispanics along the southern border encouraged the formation of a very strong Democratic party machine there. Look at the counties that voted Kerry in Texas if you dont beleive me.

I think Bush overestimates the potential voting power of the illegals and the likelyhood of them integrating in high numbers. I also think Bush is overestimating the potential for hispanics to move en masse to the republican party. Hispanic voting trends have been rock solid for years despite many cries that it is changing. So some people are hitching their cart to the illegal horse team in the hopes that someday it will pay hefty dividends of loyalty- while others are realizing that if they are voted out in the next election cycle by angry honkeys, it wont matter which party the Mexican-American bloc goes for in 20+ years.

[bg]

Bad thing is I was one who voted for him. But Kerry was a no-go from the
start. I voted because of the gun issue, but believe me, I held my nose when
I did it. However what other choice was there back Nov way..?

[Fletchette]

Bad thing is I was one who voted for him. But Kerry was a no-go from the
start. I voted because of the gun issue, but believe me, I held my nose when
I did it. However what other choice was there back Nov way..?

BG,

I think a lot of us "held our nose" and vote for W. Kerry was old-school Democrat, and he surely would have promoted gun-control. I voted for Bush too, just on that issue.

However, with the election behind us W seems to feel no responsibility towards those that voted for him. Embracing foreign presidents to help foreign nationals break U.S. law will certainly go down in history as a turning point. A turning point to what, I don't know.


This whole thing makes me support the Minutemen even more. My hat is off to those average Americans for putting "of the People" back into practice.

[RevDisk]

It sure didn't take Bush long to forget who elected him, did it?

Ah, the age old question. Do you want to be stabbed in the chest, or the back?

[Fletchette]

Vote for Bush. He's our friend. He's our only hope. Voting for a third party is throwing away your vote and supporting Kerry.

Point well taken. However, if a large number of us voted third party I am not sure we would be in a better position. In fact, I am still convinced that Kerry would have caused the country a greater amount of harm, on the gun control issue alone.

Back during Bush The First's re-election, a whole bunch of gunnies voted third party because Bush betrayed us and passed new gun control despite saying he wouldn't (and taxes too). We got 8 years of Clinton.

I am not saying that Bush the First was better than Clinton, I am saying that Clinton was no better than Bush. In some ways, Clinton's overt hostility towards the Second Amendment rallied the troops enough to prevent even more gun control.

Just once in my life, just once, I would like to vote FOR someone. :(

[Brian Dale]

My view: voting for W in 2004 was necessary, but not sufficient. We have a lot more work to do.

There's a lot left to talk about, write about, call legislators about and vote about. Let none slumber, lest he be betrayed in his absence by those who seek power.

Again.

[wingman]

It is the immigration issue that finally broke the camel's back for me concerning Bush and cost him my vote. I'm now an ex-member of the Reub Party.

Same here, I have supported the republician party for years but can no longer because of this issue. We continue to allow huge numbers of illegals
while we outsource and ship jobs to third world countries along with all this
we have rising prices in fuel, food, medical care.

My vote will reflect my feeling on this in 2008. :cuss:

[El Tejon]

While accurate, this was a politically moronic thing to say.

Bush should co-opt this movement by calling for volunteers to ICE. Give then a junior G-man badge and a radio and sit them out in the middle of the desert.

It will do nothing to curb illegal immigration but will win points (or at least curb the anger of the Border Guards) toward bringing back the much needed guest worker reform and amnesty.

[HankB]

I've been saying for months now that the border situation is going to win Hilary the next election if the republicans dont get their act together. I've heard some speculation by TV pundits that Hillary may actually make improved border security part of her platform. :what:

The fact that this is even being seriously discussed as democRAT strategy during a GOP administration . . . :barf:

[rick_reno]

Every day Bush is in office I'm happy that I threw my vote away on Badarnik. I'm predicting we've seen nothing yet - wait until he screws us on gun rights. It's coming.

[beerslurpy]

Every day Bush is in office I'm happy that I threw my vote away on Badarnik. I'm predicting we've seen nothing yet - wait until he screws us on gun rights. It's coming.

I voted badnarik too because I knew voting for bush would leave a nasty taste in my mouth later on. He isnt really good on 2A issues and he is either lukewarm or downright bad on most social or economic issues. The only thing that got him the elction was that Kerry is essentially a gun-grabbing, pro-UN clone of Bush. That was the real genius of this election- we essentially got a choice between two wealthy statists with identical stances on almost every issue that mattered.

Every time I think "ooh maybe bush isnt so bad" he goes and twists he knife in our back some more.

[dev_null]

> Ah, the age old question. Do you want to be stabbed in the chest, or the back?

That pretty much sums up politics.

[Cool Hand Luke 22:36]

I think he is afraid of pissing off the companies that hire the illegals and also afraid of the voting children of the illegals being a millstone around the necks of the republicans in the coming decades

Then it's hard to fathom how ICE and the Bush Justice Dept. went after Wal-Mart recently for hiring a contractor to clean their stores that used large numbers of illegals. Wal Mart has been more supportive of the Republican Party.

It was the ultimate in smug, arrogant hyprocrisy as well. Every Federal Agency, including ICE, Justice, etc., all employ contractors that hire huge numbers of illegals to clean their Federal Offices.

Picture the Justice Dept. or ICE attorney who drew up the Wal Mart complaint sitting at his workstation typing it up while the Mexican illegal cleaning woman emptied the trash can in his office. That more than likely actually happened.

[Waitone]

Careful, we're responding to the solemn pronouncements of a **gack** politician. Said politician is the best in my memory at playing rope a dope. He takes deliberate positions knowing congress will not go along with him. The AWB II legislation springs to mind. Now if he is capable of roping us dopes (who naively believe words have meaning) then perhaps he is roping V. Fox. Can't really tell what the goober believes.

That said, Bush is playing with fire. Those who elected him expect certain things though they may not have been played in the election. Enforcement of the borders was the elephant in the room during the election. An issue debated in the election was getting control over the judiciary. It was framed by freeing up nominations but the issue is a bit larger. Now we here the republican senatorial majority is going wobbly of freeing up nominations. When will the republican party stand for anything? Anything would be nice, principal is better.

So now we have a president claiming to fight the war on terror yet leaves the back door open. He insults Americans who decide enough is enough. He sucks up to a petty goon (democratically elected) for no apparent reason. And his party in congress can't muster the moral authority to stand up for the constitution. Republicans are not fit to govern. Bush is dangerous to national sovereignty.

The guy keeps thumping matches at a barrel of gasoline and he sees no problem. I just may have to join Ted Kennedy in his forthcoming move to impeach Bush.

[Rebar]

I hear a lot of complaining about the choices we had last election. Want someone to blame? Look in a mirror.

There are 80 million gun owners, we can elect anyone we want. Instead we sit on our collective asses, let the party hacks nominate who they want, then bitch about the lack of choices come election day.

If we were smarter, we'd find someone who's 100% RKBA, right on the border issue, right on all the conservative/libertarian issues (or at least most of them), and make damn sure they got nominated and elected. We have that power.

But we're not doing that, are we? We'd rather take cheap shots at Bush, ignoring the fact that it's our fault that he was the least-bad choice.

[Waitone]

We are responsible for the mess, and I'm not limiting us to the presidential mess. Every two years every member of the house of reps and 1/3 of the senate is up for election // reelection. We have the power to stop the mess in DC dead, cold in its tracks.

You are correct we are responsible, but responsible for a lot more of what is wrong than just the presidency.

[longeyes]

Ah, the age old question. Do you want to be stabbed in the chest, or the back?

Another way of phrasing it: Do you want to bend over backwards or bend over frontwards?

All of it, all of it, is about borderless global corporate socialism--by whatever name you choose.

The time for a viable third or fourth party has come--if only to promote gridlock and stop the insanity.

[dasmi]

Here is another article regarding this mess.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20050324-122200-6209r.htm


Bush decries border project


By James G. Lakely
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

WACO, Texas — President Bush yesterday said he opposes a civilian project to monitor illegal aliens crossing the border, characterizing them as "vigilantes."
He said he would pressure Congress to further loosen immigration law.
More than 1,000 people — including 30 pilots and their private planes — have volunteered for the Minuteman Project, beginning next month along the Arizona-Mexico border. Civilians will monitor the movement of illegal aliens for the month of April and report them to the Border Patrol.
Mr. Bush said after yesterday's continental summit, with Mexican President Vicente Fox and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin at Baylor University, that he finds such actions unacceptable.
"I'm against vigilantes in the United States of America," Mr. Bush said at a joint press conference. "I'm for enforcing the law in a rational way."
The Minuteman Project was born out of a long-held perception among many residents that more Border Patrol agents are needed to handle the flow of illegal immigrants.
Mr. Bush was criticized by both Republicans and Democrats earlier this month for failing to add 2,000 agents to the Border Patrol, as set out in the intelligence overhaul legislation he signed in December.
The president's 2006 budget allows enough money to add only 210 agents for the U.S. borders with Canada and Mexico.
Mr. Bush said he will "continue to push for reasonable, common-sense immigration policy." He has proposed legislation to grant guest-worker status to millions of illegal aliens already in the United States.
The legislation has attracted scant support in Congress, where it is widely regarded as another amnesty that will encourage even more illegal immigration.
Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, of Nevada, says Democrats have been willing to work with Mr. Bush, but that first the president must persuade congressmen of his own party to embrace his plan.
"Unfortunately, the right wing of the president's party continues to put forward proposals that neither help make progress towards comprehensive immigration reform, nor help truly protect our borders," Mr. Reid said.
Mr. Fox, who has said he seeks an open border, has applied constant pressure on Mr. Bush to get the guest-worker program through Congress. Mr. Bush has pledged that he will do all he can.
Mr. Fox said yesterday that his country is dedicated to making sure border crossings are legal and orderly. "We discussed the issue of border crossings and how we can protect our borders and be efficient along the border."
The official agenda of the one-day summit was centered on economic matters and the three leaders reached agreement on what they called the establishment of the "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America," designed to build upon the North American Free Trade Agreement.
Mr. Martin said he pressed Mr. Bush to get the United States to drop its ban on the importation of Canadian beef — imposed because of fears of spreading mad cow disease — and to reduce tariffs on softwood lumber, but no commitments were made.
Canada earlier this year said it would not participate in the U.S. missile-defense program, and Mr. Martin said there is little chance he would change his mind. "On [missile defense], the file is closed," Mr. Martin said.
"But our cooperation in terms of defense, in terms of our borders, in terms of defense of our common — our frontiers is very — is not only very clear, but it is being accentuated."
Mr. Bush said he had not imposed a June deadline on North Korea to rejoin talks with the United States, Russia, South Korea, Japan and China with the intention of North Korea giving up its nuclear-weapons program.
"I'm a patient person," Mr. Bush said. "But the leader of North Korea must understand that when we five nations speak, we mean what we say."
Stephen Dinan contributed to this report from Washington.





Anyone else smell that?
It's the stench of our nation rotting away beneath us. This is going to get very ugly I believe, before, and if, it gets any better.

[TheEgg]

W is an arrogant, elitist jerk, just like his Daddy.

I voted for him because I could not stomach the thought of President Kerry.

I guess I am getting what I deserve. :barf:

The only light is that now that Bush is a lame duck, Congress has little reason to rubber stamp things for him, and may show a little spine sometimes.

[moa]

I fly in the oinment is if we have another major terrorist action, maybe worse than 09/11/01. And it turned out that the terrorist and/or their weapons came illegally across our borders. That might really shake things up.

Or, maybe illegal aliens bring a pandemic disease across the borders. A major pandemic is predicted to hit soon and may kill many millions. It only takes one strain of virus, as a example. Africa and Asia are likely candidates. And, we have the Hanta virus in the Southwest now. Quite deadly. And, the Black Plague is making return in the SW.

[longeyes]

fly in the oinment is if we have another major terrorist action, maybe worse than 09/11/01. And it turned out that the terrorist and/or their weapons came illegally across our borders. That might really shake things up.

Yeah, it will shake things up. It will give the Feds the reason they've been looking for to declare martial law and go after guns everywhere.

The basic methodology is create a cancer, then come up with a cure that is worse than the disease. We see this everywhere around us.

More than even greed it is about total control. In the immortal words of Lucifer, "Non serviam."

[Master Blaster]

Where is the Kaboom the earth shattering kaboom??? Those border guarding Gun owning redneck vigilante ,constitution quoting, Nazis, are obstructing my view of the lovely Mexican country side!!!!!!! Who do they think they are???? Do they think that this is America???????,

No Its TEXMEXIRAQafornastan. I GW Shrubb defender of every thing except hardworking americans who pay taxes, have spoken we need to bring freedom to the world, The middle east, Mexico, North Korea, those are the people who voted for me. I will spend money not on those fat bloated lazy middle class americans, not on heathcare, or education or the retirement of the old. But on Iraq, and North Korea and Mexico. I will help the poor and down trodden in Large companies like Haliburton , Texxon mobil, Shell. Guys like Donald Trump who delared bakruptcy twice in the last twenty years, need help protecting their mansions from creditors. Those damn irresposible working folks must pay back their debts, no bankruptcy for them if they get sick they need to pay their creditors back. Besides they have ugly wives and the Donald picks the babes with big hooters.
I need to creat big wastful beaurocracies to look up old ladies dresses at the airport and check the nipples and the shoes of the young and nubbile, while I leave the border open and allow the poor and downtrodden of the south to come here so we can have cheap asparagus. I'm a compassionate conservative, thats why I'm spending all of your tax dollars to help the less fortunate around the world. AND BEST OF ALL YOUR GENEROUS SENATORS AND REPRESENTATIVES ARE HELPING ME.

Thats my story :neener:

Bush will do something about the border right after the next big earth shattering KaBOOM, Right after an army of Alqaeda sneaks across and perpetrates the next WTC.

That is if he doesnt spend the treasury dry before then. :cuss:

Lets just hope one of those big mean vigilantes defending ther backyard doesnt shoot a pooowr wwwwittle meican drug smuggler with an Assault weapon or Shrubbie will ban everything except for slingshots.

[Sportcat]

So, our President has a problem with private citizens protecting private property from illegal invaders? :scrutiny:

I just don't get it!?!?

[mack69]

Simple way around it....we close ALL of our borders...not just Mexico/US border.
Bring all our service personel back home from the far reaches of the world and have them secure and lock down our borders and seaboards. That way we truly are protecting the US. ....mack

[Spreadfire Arms]

two silly questions:

"More than 1,000 people — including 30 pilots and their private planes — have volunteered for the Minuteman Project, beginning next month along the Arizona-Mexico border. Civilians will monitor the movement of illegal aliens for the month of April and report them to the Border Patrol."

1. Is the Border Patrol going to even respond? The government is not sponsoring or endorsing this program. I do not see them r ushing to the scene to help out the volunteers of MMP.

2. how many people on THR are volunteering? Just wondering.

[duckslayer]

Every day Bush is in office I'm happy that I threw my vote away on Badarnik.

Uhh, Badnarik was for opening the borders up completely. How would that be different/better than what is happening now? :confused:

[Andrew Rothman]

A vigilante is one who takes justice into his own hands.

It sounds like these Minutemen are going to simply observe and report to the legal authorities. Isn't that just a big neighborhood watch? How could ANYONE, let alone the president, interpret that as vigilantism? :confused:

I wasn't much of a Bush fan before. He ain't doing anything to improve my opinion of him

[Waitone]

from Merriam-Webster

Main Entry:vig£i£lan£te
Pronunciation:*vi-j*-*lan-t*
Function:noun
Etymology:Spanish, watchman, guard, from vigilante vigilant, from Latin vigilant-, vigilans
Date:1865

: a member of a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily (as when the processes of law appear inadequate); broadly : a self-appointed doer of justice
–vig£i£lan£tism \-*lan-*ti-z*m\ noun

Bingo!

[308win]

It sure didn't take Bush long to forget who elected him, did it?

He hasn't forgotten the people who got him elected; the fact that you voted for him doesn't get you in that select group.

[tyme]

Does anyone have reliable information on whether the MS-13 gang intends to carry out their threat? If that happens, the border situation could deteriorate rapidly, and though I'm rather far from the border I'm too close to be unconcerned.

[dasmi]

I'm rather more concerned than most. I live in San Diego, and I work within sight of the border fence.

[seeker_two]

I just may have to join Ted Kennedy in his forthcoming move to impeach Bush.

Yikes! Me and the Chappaquiddick (sp?) lifeguard agreeing on something... :what:

Time to pull the (financial) feeding tube from these brain-dead Neo-Cons who are hijacking our government & get the REAL Conservatives back in... :cool:

[Firethorn]

I've said it before. I support the loosening of immigration laws. I want it to be easy to immigrate... Legally!

While you get enough law abiding mexicans immigrating, really lock down on the illegal workers. Start exporting them to the southern part of mexico or somthing.