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March 24, 2005, 02:18 PM
Gun locks grace farmers' gates
Thursday, March 24, 2005
By CLINT CONFEHR

An $80 million federal grant program to distribute gun locks free for the protection of children appears to have pivoted off course since they're being used by farmers to keep their gates locked.

"If you look from the road at farmers' gates, you can see them," Bedford County Sheriff's Detective Sgt. Chris Brown said today when asked about comments from Wartrace Town Hall Wednesday.

Wartrace Town Clerk Kim Curbow said Project ChildSafe's cable-style gun locks "look like a lock you would use on a bicycle." She and Wartrace Police Chief Ben Burris agreed the locks would also work as a farm gate lock.

"That's true," Brown said when asked about the observation in Wartrace. "They do use them for that."

Lawmen in Bedford County endorsed Project ChildSafe's goal -- protecting curious children from injury and/or death if they mishandle their parents' guns. However, two of the three law enforcement offices said they had locks left over from last year's distribution. Meanwhile, Wartrace has no trouble distributing the locks in its more rural area.

For at least the second year in a row, Project ChildSafe visited Bedford County with boxes of hundreds, perhaps thousands of gun locks delivered to Shelbyville and Wartrace police and the Bedford County Sheriff's Department, the federally-funded organization said.

"Phase two of Project ChildSafe is funded by two grants from the U.S. Department of Justice that total $30 million," the group's press release reported. "These two grants will fund the program from Sept. 1, 2004, through Aug. 31, 2005. Phase one of Project ChildSafe was funded by a $50 million U.S. Department of Justice grant."

Project ChildSafe's Tennessee media contact, Shannon Bichteman, at the group's headquarters in Albany, N.Y., was asked if she knew about use of the gun locks as fence gate locks.

"Really?" Bichteman replied. "OK. That's not what they're intended for. We distribute them to the departments and let them distribute them and take the program in a direction they want."

Burris spoke at length yesterday about gun safety and having some of the locks in his patrol car available if the subject is raised in conversation. Brown also endorsed gun safety, but with more locks than his department can distribute, he's tried to deal with that situation.

"I've called those people back and it' not like you can stop them," Brown said. "When they bring them, they bring 15-20 cases. I wouldn't mind taking some every year if we didn't have to take so many."

Bedford lawmen are using lock displays provided with the locks.

Steve Alger, national director of government relations for Project ChildSafe, acknowledged he has "heard of some isolated incidents" of misuse of the locks, "especially if they're put on gates."

Five trucks are delivering the locks in Tennessee, Alger said

"We come through once a year," he said. If a police department "had leftovers, we have other communities who are clamoring for more" locks.

Alger said he'd speak with Project ChildSafe's regional coordinator, Sarah Bowman, today at their offices in Albany about redistribution of an abundance of locks in parts of Tennessee.

Shelbyville Police Chief Austin Swing said his department received more locks Wednesday morning.

"We told them we didn't need them," Swing said. "We've got quite a few left."

Wartrace has about 600 locks at Town Hall, the town clerk said.

Head Start and day care centers will be notified of the locks' availability, said Town Recorder Laura Gentry.

"They brought quite a few, so we were thinking about ways to distribute them," Gentry said.

A sign is posted at the front of Wartrace Town Hall announcing the locks availability in the part of Bedford County where the sheriff's detective lives and where he has noticed gun locks on farm gates.

"But we've distributed over 30 million locks," Alger said. "If this was a significant problem you'd see them on every shed along the street. Obviously, there will be miscreants who will misuse them, but they're very few and far between."

It's worse, he said, if someone has firearms and chooses to use the lock on a gate and not a gun, he said. That would be putting a locked gate above family safety.

"That's sad," Alger said.

Wartrace's police chief said at least 200 locks were distributed last year. The town's population is about 550. More locks were received Wednesday, and 500 could be distributed "easily" in less than a month, Burris said.

"Most people who get them have small children," Burris said. "It could discourage them from picking up the gun but, of course, you have to teach them not to play with guns. The lock is a deterrent. It's not the only way to keep your kids safe.

"Some people don't believe in these," he said. "They say that if they had to get the key and unlock it before somebody gets in, then it's not available for protection, but you've got to protect your kids from the gun."

Project ChildSafe said the national Shooting Sports Foundation has partnered with local law enforcement agencies to distribute 285,000 gun locks in Tennessee.

"There continues to be a significant demand for firearm safety education across America and we are pleased that Project ChildSafe is able to meet that demand," said Doug Painter, president of the foundation, who emphasized safe gun storage and handling.

http://www.t-g.com/story/1092346.html

....and here I thought I was the only one putting my collection of gun locks to creative use. When you lock your bike to the fence outside your home with a Mossberg lock, people leave the bike alone.

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dasmi
March 24, 2005, 02:24 PM
What a waste of tax dollars. You watch, very soon some politician will introduce a law banning the use of government provided gun locks on anything other than guns.

Ukraine Train
March 24, 2005, 02:37 PM
I wouldn't mind getting a few of those, and actually use them on my guns. Wonder why I haven't heard of this program before.

Missourigunner
March 24, 2005, 02:46 PM
A waste of taxpayers money. Speaking of Locks, The County Sheriff here gives out free gun locks, Yesterday, I went by the sheriffsa office to pick up some paperwork and I asked the lady working the Window for some gun locks, she asked me how many I needed? I told her 2 or 3. She gave them to me and commented that I was the First person in 6 Months to as for Gun Locks. She even thanked me for my interest. :) :)

sm
March 24, 2005, 02:51 PM
:D

I dunno , If a BG cuts the gun lock on your gate, makes sense to me to have the Firearm easy and quick to access without the gunlock - lot of good it did on the gate - right?

I mean it does prove locks are not always a deterrent, and BGs don't respect the SYMBOL a lock represents -

Then again free gun lock are great to put on Fire Extinguishers to frustrate the hell out of a Anti to prove one's point. *ahem* ;)

jefnvk
March 24, 2005, 02:52 PM
You know how many gun locks I have lying around?

Every gun (I dunno if this is MI or nationwide) must be sold with a lock. I've gotten about 10 guns this year. Add those to the locks I get when I register a pistol. And when I get a pistol, they give me a lock when I get a permit, and when I bring it in for inspection. That is two locks per pistol.

I just have locks lying everywhere. That probably isn't a bad use for them.

Actually, most of mine are two pieces of plastic with a screw throught them (Century arms locks) They are good for nothing, not even guns.

Husker1911
March 24, 2005, 02:55 PM
I keep my gun locks right next to the fire extinguisher padlocks.

foghornl
March 24, 2005, 03:26 PM
Every time I go to the elementary schhol close to me (polling Place) I am amazed at how many of the bike locks are marked Ruger Mossberg S&W

Chipperman
March 24, 2005, 03:32 PM
"Obviously, there will be miscreants who will misuse them, but they're very few and far between."

I love that. So if I have a gunsafe, and all of the guns are in the safe, I have no need for all of these locks. But using them for anything else makes me a miscreant. :rolleyes:

Azrael256
March 24, 2005, 03:39 PM
But using them for anything else makes me a miscreant. Actually, owning guns makes you a miscreant. Misusing a gun lock just makes it worse. :p

Lonestar.45
March 24, 2005, 03:39 PM
Aside from the waste of taxpayer money, which I don't agree with, I think it's hilarious, if you think about it. Criminal walks down the road. Decides to burgle a farmhouse in the middle of nowhere. Comes upon the gates lock, with a GUN LOCK.

This tells him several things:

1. The owner of the house has a gun; and
2. he doesn't have a trigger lock on it at the moment
3. criminal deduces he probably ought to move along and hopefully find somplace populated by anti-gun liberals.

cracked butt
March 24, 2005, 03:42 PM
The law that requires new guns to be sold with a lock is a farce. It had nothing to do with gun safety and everything to do with pork. It was introduced by Sen Kohl, at a time when master Lock Co. or Milwaukee was struggling and facing bankrupcy. Kohl introduced this law knowing that it would boost Master Lock sales. It certainly did boost sales, but Master moved to Mexico anyhow. Scrtew Kohl, screw the gun lock law. :fire:

Abby
March 24, 2005, 05:11 PM
The last time we moved I must have run across a zillion of those little cable-style locks. Couldn't bear to throw them away - I think there's one in every toolbox now.

Got my first one of those Century two-discs-and-two-screws locks the other weekend with a pawnshop buy. Had never seen one before - almost left the store before I realized the cashier hadn't given me the key to open it. :rolleyes:

SoCalGeek
March 24, 2005, 05:34 PM
Somebody probably mentioned this already, but the lock distribution programs are friggin useless. CA law requires a dealer to sell me a lock (not just make sure I have one, I have to buy one from him.), so what's the point?

shermacman
March 24, 2005, 05:38 PM
Husker1911
I keep my gun locks right next to the fire extinguisher padlocks.

Hear yea, here yea, I believe our new member, Husker1911, has nailed this issue perfectly. Welcome aboard!

Bear Gulch
March 24, 2005, 06:17 PM
If youwant some they give them away by the pound at most SOs and Fish and Game offices.

Standing Wolf
March 24, 2005, 06:30 PM
They keep shoe boxes from standing around empty in the garage.

mete
March 24, 2005, 06:35 PM
Wilkes-Barre PA gave out gun locks then recalled them since they didn't work !!

Stand_Watie
March 24, 2005, 09:55 PM
It's worse, he said, if someone has firearms and chooses to use the lock on a gate and not a gun, he said. That would be putting a locked gate above family safety.

"That's sad," Alger said.

The bull in that farmer's field is way more dangerous than an unsecured firearm.

EVIL5LITER
March 24, 2005, 10:46 PM
This actually hits close to home...

The gunlock I got with my G27 is hanging on my front gate to keep Mack and Jack the wonder mutts from opening it up, lol.

trickyasafox
March 24, 2005, 11:03 PM
i just keep em in the pistol box. not that i'd ever sell a gun, but my backwards thinkin tells me it helps resale i never plan to collect. . . . :p

Jeff White
March 24, 2005, 11:06 PM
It never was a very popular program around here. I found a big box of locks in the storeroom at work a while back. A woman who works with my wife asked me for a couple about a year ago. Other then that, I've never had anyone ask for one....Jeff

Bear Gulch
March 24, 2005, 11:41 PM
I feel that they are a bad attempt at a half measure. If you arms need to be secured, get a safe. If they need to be accessible a lock is an impediment.

Kamicosmos
March 24, 2005, 11:48 PM
I have one on each of my gates!

I have 2 or 3 more lying around, not to mention 2 or 3 of my newer guns had their brand specific ones in the case, which is where they remain.

I was given several at the rifle range once. I think Black Snowman was given a CASE of them when he asked.

TSH77769
March 25, 2005, 12:05 AM
That is too funny! I also have used a cable style gun lock on a gate. If I saw a gate with a gun lock on it I would rob somewhere else. Local PD gave away a bunch of lock, then had to quit and recall them becasue they were found defective and they were afraid of getting sued. Too funny!

BTW, if the cable is long enough and you have the thing in the locked position and you slip your hand through the loop and let the two cables run through your fist with the lock poking out the top and flopping around a bit they make a decent improvised impact weapon that can be carried anywhere, even overseas (I travel a lot).

Tsh77769

LiquidTension
March 25, 2005, 12:21 AM
I've got a couple of those cable locks sitting around. The only thing they do is occupy valuable drawer space, but for some reason I never throw them out. I keep thinking they'll come in handy some day, but that day hasn't arrived yet.

Trebor
March 25, 2005, 01:50 AM
A bag of trigger locks makes a great improvised impact weapon. Beats a pillow case full of doorknobs.

kumma
March 25, 2005, 02:30 AM
I love those free gun locks that they give away. I just hate all the firggin keys.

- Keep the hi lift jack on the bumper.
- Keep the winch in the receiver.
- Use one thru brake disc on motorcycle.
- Use another on the shed lock out back.
- I actually use one on my gun that goes back and forth to the range.

eagle45
March 25, 2005, 07:54 AM
Don't forget the self defense use of these locks.

Ever been hit in the head with a gun lock? :neener:

Wingshooter
March 25, 2005, 08:27 AM
It's worse, he said, if someone has firearms and chooses to use the lock on a gate and not a gun, he said. That would be putting a locked gate above family safety.

Actually I think it's just the opposite. The locked gate contributes to family safety. Of course, I have a one year old with only goal in life at this moment, trying to crawl through the doggie door out back before I can catch her. My perspective may be skewed...

svtruth
March 25, 2005, 10:47 AM
I didn't notice anything in the story about the striking decline in firearm accidents...

The Freeholder
March 25, 2005, 01:12 PM
I'm glad to see the TN farmers getting some use from their tax dollars.

If you want a laugh, how's this one: My sister-in-law is a police LT. She wanted to know if I needed any gun locks. "No, I lock them in my gun safe."

"You mean you don't put trigger locks on them?"

:banghead:

Vic303
March 25, 2005, 01:24 PM
BTW, if the cable is long enough and you have the thing in the locked position and you slip your hand through the loop and let the two cables run through your fist with the lock poking out the top and flopping around a bit they make a decent improvised impact weapon that can be carried anywhere, even overseas (I travel a lot).

Tsh77769
Actually I like that idea! But I'd take a big old mess of keys, attach them to the cable, and hold the lock section and swing it like a flail...

simon
March 25, 2005, 01:46 PM
CA law requires a dealer to sell me a lock (not just make sure I have one, I have to buy one from him.), so what's the point?
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Just take it back for a refund nest time you're there.

Black Snowman
March 25, 2005, 02:01 PM
Locally the conservation range was givin 10,000 to distribute. It caused a major storage problem for them. Anyone who showed ANY intrest was given a box of 20 and told if they wanted more to feel free to take them, they'd give you a whole case if you'd just get them out of their way.

I sorted them by key and kept 2 sets of 4 keyed alike. Used them to lock up my securement gear when I was a flatbed trucker. Gave a bunch to other truckers to lock up their stuff. I don't think more than a dozen of those 10,000 will see use on a gun. I still have those locks (as well as the locks that came with the guns) laying around the house waiting to find a use.

Good news is, the tool sheds and gates they lock will be more likely to protect a child than having them on a gun. It's another perfect example how the governmet can find ways to waste our money in the least efficient means possible.

zahc
March 25, 2005, 02:02 PM
The lock that came with my Marlin has been very useful for locking my bike up. In fact I use it almost every day.

Ktulu
March 25, 2005, 02:09 PM
A bag of trigger locks makes a great improvised impact weapon. Beats a pillow case full of doorknobs.

LOL!

That's funny

sturmruger
March 25, 2005, 02:09 PM
Hey that isn't a bad idea use some the couple dozen gun locks I have for securing my bike and misc other items.

sturmruger
March 25, 2005, 02:13 PM
Why don't we start an organization that gives away gun safes!!! Forget the cheesy little locks why doesn't the goverment buy us something really useful. If you take $30,000,0000 and divide that by $600 that gets you around 50,000 guns safes(or RSCs to some). I bought a nice cannon safe for $600 if we called up Cannon and offered to purchase 50K safes I bet they would be willing to deal with us.

TechBrute
March 25, 2005, 02:19 PM
Phase one of Project ChildSafe was funded by a $50 million U.S. Department of Justice grant." :banghead:

"But we've distributed over 30 million locks," :what:

It's worse, he said, if someone has firearms and chooses to use the lock on a gate and not a gun, he said. That would be putting a locked gate above family safety. I don't know about that. I think locking out the criminals and keeping my gun close at hand puts my family safety pretty high up on the list.

"Some people don't believe in these," he said. "They say that if they had to get the key and unlock it before somebody gets in, then it's not available for protection, but you've got to protect your kids from the gun." When you lock your car, are you protecting thieves from the car? If not, then why would you think you are protecting your kids from the gun by locking the gun?

10 Ring Tao
March 25, 2005, 11:38 PM
Miscreants? Give me a break. They are just using them for something more useful than the original purpose.

Sir Aardvark
March 26, 2005, 05:29 AM
Leave it to the government to figure out the best way to waste MY money, and YOUR money too.

Giving away free gun locks sounds like a really great idea, but look what's happening........they aren't being used for thier intended purpose.

Time to reevaluate the program???. Let's just wait and see ......It's darn near a given that more $$$ will be wasted on this before any action is taken.

c_yeager
March 26, 2005, 05:40 AM
Oh yeah this is awesome. The Washington State Patrol ordered some of these to hand out. Turns out that the MINIMUM order is 10,000. They are probably still ankle deep in the dang things. They offered them to local businesses to hand out to their employees. There are two CRATES of them leftover in our office.

RevDisk
March 26, 2005, 05:41 AM
When I went for my CCW, I was offered the entire box of locks. I wanted one or two in case I ever had to leave my pistol in the car for places that don't allow CCW. (Court house, et al)

Probably sounded like a nice idea in theory back in Washington. :rolleyes:

WhoKnowsWho
March 26, 2005, 08:22 AM
This is a great idea. I was going to go buy a lock for the gate but I already have about 12 of them!

Zach S
March 26, 2005, 01:07 PM
Every time I go to the elementary schhol close to me (polling Place) I am amazed at how many of the bike locks are marked Ruger Mossberg S&W My little brother and sister both have a Mossberg Bike Lock. I also have a Kimber toolbox lock on a craftsman tool case, doesnt keep it from getting stolen, but it keeps "not me" and "I dont know" from losing my tools.

Dead
March 26, 2005, 07:58 PM
When they start giving out free guns, minus the locks of course, then I will "sign-up" for the program ;)

Greybeard
March 26, 2005, 10:41 PM
Yep, Texas Parks and Wildlife has shipped me cases and cases of 'em to give away in hunter ed. classes. I think now we are down to the last case - in stock anyway. They may load us up again (unsolicited) this summer.

I actually had trouble giving them away to some students. They said "Nah, they gave me all I wanted at the gun show." And yep, next gun show, I attended at Market Hall in Dallas, there was a booth near the front door with a mountain of cases of the same cable locks ...

goste
March 26, 2005, 11:43 PM
UKRAINE TRAIN

How many do you want?

I'm a LEO in a small TX. town, and we received a whole bunch of them.

I have handed out, hundred's of them, and we still have hundred's of them left.

And yes, I gave some to kid's, for their bikes. I have one on my back, and side gate. :D

none on my firearm's.

pm me.

marklbucla
March 27, 2005, 12:02 AM
I wonder if they would make good targets if hung on a fence- Sort of like those .22LR targets that spin when shot.

Clean97GTI
March 27, 2005, 12:05 AM
Hey guys, they also work on guns.

When I don't want to think about someone else touching my $80 Mosin-Nagant, I remove the bolt and lock it up.

My FN Forty-Nine that cost me nearly $300 more than that has a better anti-theft device attached...my holster...which is attached to my belt...which is attached to me.

I only have one or two. I could actually use some, but I've never been given a lock save for my most recent purchase; which happened to be a gift for my GF.

AF_INT1N0
March 31, 2005, 07:53 PM
Use my gun locks to lock my gym locker.

Trust me, my gym socks are much more dangerous if left unsecured. :uhoh: :eek: ATTACKING GYM SOCKS!!!!

MikeIsaj
March 31, 2005, 08:02 PM
In Pa. get all you want at your local State Reps office. hey aren't intended for most people on this forum, they are more intended for the owner of one or two guns. Many in my area have A gun for home protection that is probably better locked up.

At a community function we were at we (the prison) gave away several hundred. They were recalled the next week.

chevrofreak
April 1, 2005, 01:01 AM
"It's worse, he said, if someone has firearms and chooses to use the lock on a gate and not a gun, he said. That would be putting a locked gate above family safety. "

Gates are for family safety, and they do a better job than gun locks.

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