Woman shot 18 times, drives self to hospital


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Drizzt
March 28, 2005, 10:47 AM
Woman shot 18 times, drives self to hospital

Tribune Chronicle


YOUNGSTOWN - A 30-year-old Stewart Avenue resident who was ambushed and shot up to 18 times by her estranged husband drove herself to St. Elizabeth Health Center, police said.

Regina Jones-Peoples, 2020 Stewart, had just pulled into the driveway of her home about 8 p.m. Thursday, when, according to police, her estranged husband, Marcus Jones, 29, ran up from behind some bushes and hit her several times in the head with the butt of a pistol while yelling obscenities. Jones is believed to live on South Jackson Avenue.

Jones then fired the pistol numerous times at close range, hitting Jones-Peoples six times in the abdomen, four times in the legs, five times in the right breast, two times in the neck and once in the left wrist, police said.

Police would not say what kind of gun or what caliber of ammunition was used.

Jones ran away after shooting the woman, police said. They issued a warrant for his arrest on charges of attempted murder, abduction and aggravated burglary.

After the shooting, Jones-Peoples got back into her car and drove herself to St. Elizabeth for treatment, police said. She was listed in stable condition Friday.

She told police that she believes Jones was stalking her because she has felony charges pending against him.

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Third_Rail
March 28, 2005, 11:01 AM
Could it be something like a pellet gun?

18 shots in a semi-auto pistol of any other calibers I can easily think of with commonly available mags of that cap would (I would think) do much more than little holes.


Perhaps something underpowered, plus FMJ, plus bad (thank someone above!) shooting?

armoredman
March 28, 2005, 11:29 AM
22 BB cap? I am thinking also pellet pistol but I don't know of any that fire 18 without reloading that doofy cylinder.

Dionysusigma
March 28, 2005, 11:41 AM
Maybe a Drozd?

Jones then fired the pistol numerous times at close range, hitting Jones-Peoples six times in the abdomen, four times in the legs, five times in the right breast, two times in the neck and once in the left wrist, police said.

Yeah. That's gotta be an airgun of some sort. :eek: :scrutiny: :uhoh:

Maybe a large-capacity .25 :rolleyes: :D

jamz
March 28, 2005, 12:02 PM
18 rounds? He stopped to reload apparently?


-James

spacemanspiff
March 28, 2005, 01:04 PM
bet it was a glock 17. :neener:

sturmruger
March 28, 2005, 01:28 PM
I was thinking a .25 but 18 rounds would be at least one reload.

Snake Eyes
March 28, 2005, 01:30 PM
Here's the ugly truth none of like to talk/think about: 85% of all handgun GSW victims survive.

The biggest factor in "stopping" an attacker with a handgun is not caliber, expansion, wound ballistics, bullet speed or bullet weight. It's psychological.

If the person receiving the GSW reacts by thinking "OMG I've been shot, I'm going to die! I better fall down now", as we've been trained by TV and movies, they will.

Other than a direct CNS hit, GSW recipients die from bleeding out, which might take hours. And I'm not full convinced that all CNS hits with a handgun are instantly debilitating.

spartacus2002
March 28, 2005, 01:38 PM
heh heh... I'm getting popcorn in case it was a 9mm... :neener:

El Tejon
March 28, 2005, 02:01 PM
Cut down Marlin Model 60? Steyr? Glock M17?

But, but in the movies people fall down like dropped hammers. :rolleyes:

Beren
March 28, 2005, 02:15 PM
Or maybe one of these?

Five-Seven (http://remtek.com/arms/fn/57/)

TallPine
March 28, 2005, 02:18 PM
Jones then fired the pistol numerous times at close range, hitting Jones-Peoples six times in the abdomen, four times in the legs, five times in the right breast, two times in the neck and once in the left wrist, police said.
What do you want to bet that this lady was - how shall we say it? - "laterally gifted" ???

;)

Sam
March 28, 2005, 03:05 PM
"Laterally Gifted"?

I take it you were referring to ultra-soft body armor?
70-80 lbs of "ultra-soft" body armor could absorb quite a number of hits from say a 22lr or a 25.

Sam

Highland Ranger
March 28, 2005, 03:17 PM
That's what I was thinking; 400 pound woman and 22 lr . . . altough I am not sure there are any 22 pistols that hold 18 rounds.

(now if it was 9mm . . . . . )

GT
March 28, 2005, 03:17 PM
Calico?

GT
March 28, 2005, 03:35 PM
That would be a mu mu.

Get your fashion terminology right!

G

PowderBurn
March 28, 2005, 03:43 PM
Integral Soft Body Armor

q102josh
March 28, 2005, 05:11 PM
yeah it must have been either a BB gun, a .22 or a .25. i mean no one could survive being shot 18 times with a common defensive caliber. even if they did miraculiously survive the initial damage, they'd be too incapacitated to drive themself to the hospital.

ny32182
March 28, 2005, 05:21 PM
6 shots in the abdomen and 5 shots in the right breast from anything bigger than a .22 has got to be fatal... I don't care who you are. Not to mention four rounds to the legs, two to the neck (even if she was a huge woman, two shots to the neck from even a .22, and she is still walking?) My money is on a pellet gun, and a weak one at that.

444
March 28, 2005, 05:25 PM
This doesn't really surprise me.
I have never seen anyone shot this many times personally, but I have seen people shot quite a few times and they lived to tell about it. Once in particular I saw two guys that had obviously answered the door only to be shot 17 times between the two of them. Both lived and I wasn't really worried about either one of them dying before we could get them to the hospital.
Unfortunately, not many people believe these truths: Handguns are not very powerful. It isn't the number of shots fired or even the number of hits you get: all that matters is WHERE the hits are. One hit in the right place and it is lights out. 18 hits SOMEWHERE in the body might not be all that big of a deal. Even when something like this comes up, people are still in denial. This thread is a good example.

Cosmoline
March 28, 2005, 08:17 PM
There are too few details at this point to draw any broad conclusions from this one incident. But it's certainly true that folks have taken a lot of handgun lead and survived. This is one reason I favor heavy bullets over the zippy little things CW seems to recommend.

Sam
March 28, 2005, 08:50 PM
Actually a person han haul a lot more lead than you might assume.
I have seen a person literally holding their gut in their hands from 3 loads of buck to the abdomen walk into the hospital under their own power.

So long as major arteries are not hit, you can shred an abdomen with little short term effect on the BG other than psychiatric. Same goes for limbs, necks etc.

You have got to ruin brain/spinal cord or sever a major artery for anything like fast effect.

Sam

Gabby Hayes
March 28, 2005, 09:34 PM
Youngstown is known here in Ohio as the town too tough (and crooked) to die. It's the home of Jim Traficant, Jr., former sheriff and nine-term congressman, until he was expelled in 2002 and is now serving a 9-year sentence in a federal prison in Pennsylvania for various bribery, racketeering and tax evasion charges, not to mention his incredibly bad hair. It's widely known that the women there can take a few slugs and keep on truckin'. I'm surprised she even noticed. :evil:

Roadkill
March 28, 2005, 09:51 PM
I read years ago about US soldiers in the Korean war getting hit by the PPsh smg 15-20 times and surviving. It has a very high rate of fire and a small very fast fmj bullet. If it didn't hit bone (even then sometimes it would drill through) or an immediate vital organ they most likely survived. Problem was the fluid displacement would cause internal injuries to organs safely away from the point of impact. Reference the lady, a .22 rifle with a tube magazine or even a 10-22 with an extened magazine would carry that many rounds.

rk

444
March 28, 2005, 10:32 PM
Gabby, once upon a time I lived right outside Youngstown in Austintown. I worked at the Ohio Edison plant in Niles and worked part time at night for Gold Cross Ambulance in Youngstown. I have been to "St. Es" ER many times.

Standing Wolf
March 28, 2005, 10:59 PM
She told police that she believes Jones was stalking her because she has felony charges pending against him.

Sounds like another Great Triumph of the criminal justice system, which is always in a hurry to disarm the commoners, but never in a hurry to inconvenience criminals.

R.H. Lee
March 28, 2005, 11:03 PM
See? No honest man needs more than 10 rounds.

God bless her.

I hope he burns in hell.

pokey074
March 29, 2005, 08:01 AM
Just speculation here but how many of those were exit wounds? Theoretically, you could be shot 9 times and have 9 entrance, and 9 exit wounds, for a total of 18.

rdbrowning
March 30, 2005, 08:19 PM
Probably a lot of those holes were pass throughs. One shot can easily go in and out of a soft breast and then lodge in the abdomin or leg. Even a 22 could cause upto 3 holes w/o too much trouble. Curious to see the final results though.

Man that's just gott'a hurt though. I don't care how many bullets it took or how big they are or how padded she is. OW! :eek:

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