Another "Arsenal"


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Dave P
March 28, 2005, 12:33 PM
Man Arrested In Old-Time Pioneer Outfit With Arsenal

POSTED: 12:00 pm EST March 28, 2005

ST. LOUIS -- Police have nabbed a man dressed like an old-time pioneer who says he was headed to South Dakota with Bibles and "supplies" for American Indian children.

They say John Hill's supplies included quite an arsenal. They say there were loaded pistols, 400 rounds of ammunition and an assault rifle with a 30-round clip and a bullet in the chamber. A double-edged knife with an eight-inch blade was in the sun visor above the man's head.

Deputies searched the vehicle parked along Interstate 70, after they noticed a smell of marijuana. They found an array of drugs as well.

Hill says it was all for self-protection and that it's dangerous in the west. He was shirtless with military-style boots and an American Indian vest.

He's been charged with possession of a loaded firearm while intoxicated. Authorities say more charges are likely.


"dressed like an old-time pioneer" - shirtless with military-style boots and an American Indian vest - Huh??

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spartacus2002
March 28, 2005, 12:36 PM
I saw Old Time Pioneer Outfit, thought he was a member of SASS

LiquidTension
March 28, 2005, 12:39 PM
Really - an old time pioneer from where? The Star Wars universe? Or maybe The Postman? Wait! I bet it's that Mexican guy from the beginning of Lone Wolf McQuade!

How stupid is it to park on the interstate to smoke pot? I don't support most drug laws, but this guy was just asking for some instant karma to slap him in the face. I wonder what else he had in his "array of drugs," whether it was hard drugs or Sudafed or something.

big inch
March 28, 2005, 12:55 PM
If a rifle, a knife, some handguns and 400 rounds of ammo are considered an arsenal, I'd hate to know what they would think about what I carry when I go to shoot. :eek:

Control Group
March 28, 2005, 12:57 PM
As the officer, I would have been suspicious too! I mean, what possible reason could he have for wanting 400 rounds of ammunition in his vehicle?

That much wouldn't last more than an hour or two at the range! Heck, I carry that much with me just in bare lead 9mm, for the one range I go to that won't let you shoot jacketed bullets. 400 rounds, indeed. Clearly, the guy was up to something. :scrutiny:

El Tejon
March 28, 2005, 01:03 PM
They call a pistol and a carbine on some dope-smoking hippie an "arsenal"? Wonder what these wussies would call my basement? :uhoh: :p

Control Group
March 28, 2005, 01:06 PM
They call a pistol and a carbine on some dope-smoking hippie an "arsenal"?
I refer you to my .sig. ;)

Old Dog
March 28, 2005, 02:23 PM
The only surprise is that the article didn't mention that this guy must live in a "compound." After all, isn't that where guys owning "arsenals" always live? Even if it's just an old trailer, a shed and a small barn on a two-and-a-half acre dirt lot partially surrounded by a broken-down fence ... And gee, when the "arsenal" word is used, I always half-expect to hear about the dude's wacky religious and political beliefs as well.

Standing Wolf
March 28, 2005, 10:19 PM
...when the "arsenal" word is used, I always half-expect to hear about the dude's wacky religious and political beliefs as well.

That's considered a mandatory in the A.P. style guide.

yesterdaysyouth
March 28, 2005, 10:37 PM
They call a pistol and a carbine on some dope-smoking hippie an "arsenal"? Wonder what these wussies would call my basement?


armory...

JohnBT
March 29, 2005, 07:40 AM
Yep, just another honest God-fearing American man unjustly harrassed by the authorities.

:rolleyes:

John

dsb
March 29, 2005, 03:13 PM
I don't think that anyone is commenting on the acts of the "authorities" in this situation - more the way that the media characterizes firearms in stories.

smokemaker
March 29, 2005, 05:38 PM
I thought an arsenal was where they built guns, and an armory was where they stored them.

If the AP is right, I've got and arsenal in my nightstand drawer.

SteveS
March 29, 2005, 06:44 PM
I thought an arsenal was where they built guns, and an armory was where they stored them.

It is, but it is also a collection of weapons, so I guess this was an arsenal. To me, an arsenal conjures up images of racks upon racks of various guns (like in the Matrix).

rritter
March 30, 2005, 04:30 PM
You mean like this?

http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/002478.html

Derby FALs
March 30, 2005, 04:47 PM
Yep, just another honest God-fearing American man unjustly harrassed by the authorities.

Some see it that way...

Bear Gulch
March 30, 2005, 04:47 PM
If they saw my shop, they'd pee down both legs!

flatdog
March 30, 2005, 05:36 PM
He's been charged with possession of a loaded firearm while intoxicated.

I'm not justifying the man or his actions. I just wonder how broadly that charge can be applied.

Can anyone shed some light on that?

Thanks.

Cacique500
March 30, 2005, 08:40 PM
If a rifle, a knife, some handguns and 400 rounds of ammo are considered an arsenal, I'd hate to know what they would think about what I carry when I go to shoot.

+1 ;)

brian roberts
March 30, 2005, 08:58 PM
had a "compound", but they never CALLED it a compound.....ever see a picture of that place???? :cool:

OEF_VET
March 30, 2005, 10:53 PM
I guess I'd be up the proverbial creek sans paddle if they came to my house. Heck, I've got 3 handguns, a shotgun and somewhere north of 100 rounds of ammo just in my bedroom. Then, if they went into the basement, I'd really be all over the front pages!

Heck, I routinely take a dozen or so guns to the range at a time (you never know what I might be inclined to shoot), along with the ammo and necessary mags. Heck, they'd probably just label me a whacko terrorist and get it over with.

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