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Dave McCracken
March 28, 2005, 05:35 PM
For Shotgunners,THESE are The Good Old Days.....

Scoffers take note. A new Model 12 Winchester in 1912 cost $30. A new Ford cost $200. Now a new Ford costs a minimum of $14,000 and a new 870's MSRP is less than $500 for most models, and used ones under $200 can still be found.

While we have no great clouds of Passenger Pigeons for our sport and the days of 100 woodcock per gunner are gone, we have Ringnecks,Chukars,Hungarian Partridge and Sporting Clays to test our mettle and skill.

And we have marvelous shotguns, ammunition and accessories.

Possibly the greatest advance in the 20th Century for Shotgunners has been the plastic shotcup wad. Next, progressive powders for getting high velocity without gunbusting pressure.

Your Humble Scrivener has devoted some thought on what comes next for us shotgunners. Here's what my cranky and dim old crystal ball has revealed.

More and larger parts of shotguns will be made from synthetic and light metal materials. The Nova's plastic receiver/stock is the tip of the arrow. These materials will aid in lightening up weight while keeping costs in line.

Things like magazine caps,bolt carriers and stock bolts made from new materials will be available for tailoring balance and total weight to the wish and whim of users.

Synthetic stocks will have popon, popoff recoil pads made in various thicknesses so a better LOP can be had without major surgery. Some of these stocks will also have adjustable combs and be shim adjustable for drop, cast and pitch.

Steel, meanwhile, will continue to improve and better barrels made. Often, "Better" means lighter and stronger.Already Perazzi is making 34" O/U barrels that weigh less than their 30" barrels of a few years gone by.

Non toxic ammo will get ever larger a market share as new alloys and compounds are developed. Hevi Shot is just one compound, in 5 years I expect to see a dozen choices in waterfowling loads alone. Depleted Uranium is one possibility.

For life and death, "Serious" Shotgunning, I expect to see more semi autos on the market that are not carryovers from sport shotgunning. The Kalishnikov based Saiga is already here, and I'll wager the usual flagon of mead that the platform will evolve into a superb weapon.

For sporting use, expect to see more subguage models on the market, especially the 28 gauge. With modern technology that keeps more pellets in the pattern, the 28 has more muscle than some think.

Finally, I expect the hoplophobes and sheeple will continue to try and disarm those of us who understand that the 2nd Amendment is there to keep the others viable. It is of utmost importance that they fail.

In fact, it's a matter of life or death. Ours and our families...

What's your predictions?

357wheelgunner
March 28, 2005, 05:47 PM
I predict....

...that I will continue to buy Remington 870s and S&W K-frames every chance I get. I have not yet decided on a rifle platform to start collecting/training with, but that will come. Most likely the FAL or M1A......My problem with new guns is that they have almost no character. Look at just about everything H&K produces, it works well, but the guns are all black and plastic. Give me wood and blued steel anyday.

I do think that shotguns will continue to "improve" and evolve into super tactical weapons wielded by even the most tactical of all ninja operators. I, however will stick to my 870s...

sm
March 28, 2005, 06:02 PM
Dave...

I don't do this new stuff very well. I predict I will be scrounging for the old stuff.
Not to mention being as I'm about to hit Reprobate status - I gotta maintain.

Pirate Looks at Forty keeps running through my head. Granted I'm past 40 and He didn't write about being 50 Occupation being - not being no more

I need to go hold my SX1 now.

Lee Lapin
March 28, 2005, 08:47 PM
Steve,

Actually he did- but it's a book, not a song- see
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0679435271/104-3842888-7763164 . Give yourself a break from all that studyin' and kick back a little- it's coming on spring, after all.

"Tales from Margaritaville (stories) and Where Is Joe Merchant? (a mystery) secured songwriter Jimmy Buffett's niche reputation as an affable, poetic beach bum. A Pirate Looks at Fifty, a travel-diary-cum-autobiography, features Buffett behind the wheel of his Grumman Albatross seaplane, safely piloting family and friends through a three-week trip around South and Central America and the Caribbean. He blends gentle scenic narration with rambling, unplugged life stories meant to convey that he's made peace with the whole aging process. For Buffett, turning 50 "can be a ball of snakes that conjures up immediate thoughts of mortality and accountability. (`What have I done with my life?') Or, it can be a great excuse to reward yourself for just getting there. (`He who dies with the most toys wins.') I instinctively chose door number two." (snip)"

Dave,

I think you're right on target with your predictions. I think that there will be some really interesting new developments in the way of 'serious' smoothbore ammo, but they will be kept out of the hands of us rabble and limited in availability to .mil and LE only. That's happening now with some stuff, BTW.

I don't anticipate seeing anything replace chemically powered kinetic energy weapons for quite a while yet, in spite of lots of technical advances in the launchers and the ammo. The technology of control will IMHO increase, things like 'smart' weapons keyed by biometrics to their assigned user, for example, with locator/tracker devices built in. Again, those things are in experimental stages now.

lpl/nc

sm
March 28, 2005, 09:05 PM
Be careful making smart- aleck remarks around a danged Library Researcher. :D

At least I didn't stick my other foot in my mouth by making a smart crack about something to do with criminal behavior. I'll save the other foot for another time. :p

Always wanted to go on one them Dove Hunts in Central/ South America...never learned to fly, did learn how to stop gray missles from doing so tho'. :D

Dave McCracken
March 29, 2005, 09:50 AM
Thanks for the responses.

357,there's lots of competition for those 870 and K frames. Both are darn near optimum examples of their kinds. While I don't know about soul, both are well known and cherished tools about Casa McC.

Another prediction. Many of those Ninjas will move past the checkbook phase and learn to shoot well without crutches. It's called the maturation process.

Steve, if you haven't heard the song that Buffett and country songbird Martina McBride teamed up on called Trip Around the Sun, do so. Some nice thoughts on aging with a backbeat.

Lee, you continue to surprise me. I do expect to see more munitions development in military and LE areas, but I expect to see the private sector in this deeply also. Hevi-Buck is one innovation, there's more coming.

The grapevine told me that one new pellet is a hard non toxic material coated with a Polywhatever "Plating" that cushions the shot much better and keeps nigh all the pellets in the pattern at longer range. Supposedly, it's best for size 4 shot and up.

Dunno about "Smart" weapons, but ergonomics will improve.

Lee Lapin
March 29, 2005, 07:00 PM
Dave,

One example from the decidedly not-Muppet-Labs folks at MCWL, Quantico:

http://www.mcwl.quantico.usmc.mil/factsheets/FRAG%2012.pdf

The Argentines developed something like that a couple of decades ago, not a new idea but a new approach.

And I expect to see more developments in the way of 'green' no-lead projos, HeviShot sorts of sintered metal/ formed material projectiles, pre-fragmented projectiles bound in polymer coatings or jackets, LTL (less than lethal)delivery systems and ammunition, armor defeating ammunition, signaling/distraction/debilitation ammunition etc.

The Army is currently testing a new breaching gun that bolts onto an m4/m16, a lighter weight bolt action 12 ga. Things will continue to change, no doubt about it.

lpl/nc

rockstar.esq
March 30, 2005, 02:18 AM
I think your predictions are admirable, however there are a couple of things I could add. My guess is that there will be a move towards user set ejection i.e. right hand eject vs. left hand eject. I think the Beretta CX4 storm "rifle" is an example similar to the point I'm trying to make. Further I wonder if there might come a time when a shotgun was made to look like it was intended to be "atheletic" with the sort of colors and design one might see on other sporting goods. Heck, we might even see the day that an over under cost less than a repeater!

c_yeager
March 30, 2005, 09:26 AM
I agree that we are going to be seeing more purpose-built law enforcement semis that are loosely, if at all, based on sporting arms. I also suspect that elements of those purpose-built guns will work their way into the civilian sporting market. I can see a day when the slide-action shotgun is a nostalgia piece for collectors, enthusiasts, and hunters like the lever-action rifles of today. I think the shotgun has a lot of growing left to do and that its going to start happening sooner rather than later.

Dave McCracken
March 30, 2005, 09:59 AM
Lee, thanks for that example. Like you said, civilians will not see some of this stuff on the market.

The old buck and ball load may get modernized, I hear. Supposedly, a 1 oz slug and 4 #2 buck for a one size fits all anti personnel round. The slug is hardened to serve as an anti vehicle round on unarmored vehicles.

rockstar,check out some of the wild paint jobs on Sporting Clays shotguns. One lady shooter at PGC has a pink set on her semi auto.

John Kersey's Green Machine is of a hue associated with California street rods and Peyote. In his hands, it's also a death ray to clays.

Ambi designs are on the way.

c, don't sell either the trombone action or the levergun short. My 94 is still an excellent tool and as reliable as my 870s. A surprising number of 94s and 336s can be found in police cruisers also.

Why? Because they work....