2 Strange CCW Days


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Valkman
March 29, 2005, 04:02 PM
I've been carrying my Kimber Compact CDP about 18 months and never have been made, questioned, nothing. Then we take off for Arizona last Tuesday and all kinds of wierd stuff happens! :)

First, crossing Hoover Dam they say I have to pull over and show them what's under my tonneau cover. Ok, I pull over to the guy officer and open the cover. Meanwhile the wind is blowing my cover shirt all over, and as I close the cover he says "Sir, are you carrying?". I say "Yes I am", he asks if I have a CCW and I produce it. Then he really gets friendly and asks what I do for work. I say I'm on disability and just started making knives and he says "That's great! Man you can sell those!". We take off and I was still suprised how friendly the guy was once he saw the CCW.

Then we go to a Giants baseball game in Tempe and I'm carrying, only to go into a Starbucks afterwards and discover I have no gun. I'm freaking thinking it fell out at the park, some kid's going to find it and it'll be all over the news. Race back to our room to find it laying right on top of our suitcase where I left it - hope the romm cleaning lady didn't have a heart attack when she saw it. So I thought I was carrying all day when I wasn't. Brommeland makes his leather way too well - it feels the same whether the gun is there or not! :)

Then we go to a pet store, and now I know I have the gun. So I'm bending way down petting a puppy and a employee kid says "Sir are you carrying a weapon?". Argh! I tell him I am and he says he'd like me to uncover it so he can see it. I told him I have to keep it concealed but it turns out he saw it print and just wants to confirm what he thought it was. No problem.

For a couple of days there it seemed like everyone knew I was carrying, except when I forgot the gun! It was strange. :p

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Control Group
March 29, 2005, 04:10 PM
Posts like this make me jealous beyond words. Perhaps another round of letters to my legislators will make me feel better.

VARifleman
March 29, 2005, 04:13 PM
I feel for you, CG. I am considered "too young" to be responsible to protect my own safety, yet old enough that I'm considered responsible for my actions...all the crap of being an adult without the perks... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

El Tejon
March 29, 2005, 04:19 PM
Left in hotel room? Hmmm, that sounds familiar.

Someone, I'll use his initials, ET, left a pistol on the bathroom sink thingy one time at gun camp. Has yet to live it down. :D

That "heart failure" feeling is a continual reminder to run a system check. :)

ny32182
March 29, 2005, 04:22 PM
I've never been made (to my knowledge) or questioned in any way. Never been pulled over while carrying.... I don't know how I would react, but I think you did well.

Standing Wolf
March 29, 2005, 06:15 PM
Perhaps another round of letters to my legislators will make me feel better.

Yeah, it might, but here's an even better idea: fire a bunch of them!

Valkman:

I'll bet it'll be a snowy day in hell's furnace room before you leave your gun in a motel room again.

Control Group
March 29, 2005, 07:02 PM
Yeah, it might, but here's an even better idea: fire a bunch of them!
Yes, thank you. Of course, I already voted against them last election, to no avail, and I've donated money to candidates who support CCW. I've got a sneaking suspicion that a move to recall someone because he didn't vote for CCW wouldn't make a whole lot of headway. So I'm not entirely certain what I should really do to fire them - the ones directly accountable to me already didn't get my vote, many of the legislators who didn't vote for CCW aren't directly accountable to me, and actually forcibly removing them from office mid-term is...well, unfeasible is one word for it.

So, frankly, writing letters is the tool I've got.

Curare
March 29, 2005, 07:06 PM
My father left a S&W auto in a hotel room in Michigan about 10 years ago--brilliant.

admar2
March 29, 2005, 07:40 PM
Posts like this make me jealous beyond words. Perhaps another round of letters to my legislators will make me feel better

wouldn't it be easier to just move?

;)

Lennyjoe
March 29, 2005, 08:26 PM
Then we go to a Giants baseball game in Tempe and I'm carrying
The facility, by chance, wasn't selling alcohol for onsite consumption was it? If it was and you were id'd as carrying you would of gotten into a bit of trouble.

OF
March 29, 2005, 08:30 PM
My advice is to be more careful. Alot of opportunity for things to go badly in those few encounters. You may have been carrying for 18mo so far without incident, but you have a lifetime ahead of you.

No big deal, but I'd take these encounters as a bit of a warning. Things could have gone badly with the cop and the hotel room especially...

- Gabe

RyanM
March 29, 2005, 08:38 PM
I feel for you, CG. I am considered "too young" to be responsible to protect my own safety, yet old enough that I'm considered responsible for my actions...all the crap of being an adult without the perks...

All is not lost! I notice your forum thingie says you're in NC. NC has reciprocity with NH and doesn't require you to be a resident of NH to use one of their permits to carry; just like PA. You can get a non-resident NH permit for $20, at age 18.

So you should be able to get one of those. Maine issues non-resident permits at age 18 and up, too, fulfilling NH's existing CCW permit requirement. Only problem is a non-resident ME permit is $60.

Though if you're in VA, as your forum name suggests, I guess you are out of luck. :(

mbs357
March 29, 2005, 08:45 PM
I'm in NC, and getting a non resident CCW permit from New Hampshire would be a great idea...but I'm not legally allowed to own a handgun at age 18. =(

P95Carry
March 29, 2005, 08:49 PM
Don - seeing as results were (fortunately) so positive - I will indulge in a little ... :D :D

Funny tho eh - a ''wake up call'' can, as now seems the case, happen any ol' time, any ol' place!!

One thing I can empathize with 100% - is that sudden awareness that you have a rig - but it is empty! HORRORS!! First pucker factor is - ''where's the gun?'' ... once that is safely taken care of - is, the knowledge that that day - just might, have been the day of reckoning!!

I have once or twice left my piece in own bathroom, and having sat down in office again at puter - done the ''elbow test'' only to realize thin air is all that is present. I now make the elbow test much more frequent. :)

Zundfolge
March 29, 2005, 08:52 PM
Posts like this make me jealous beyond words. Perhaps another round of letters to my legislators will make me feel better

wouldn't it be easier to just move?

Thats what I did ... I used to live in Kansas (land of the free range RINO) and I witnessed the so-called Republican Governor (Bill Graves) veto CCW twice, then the commie-witch that runs the state now did it too (but I'd already left).

mbs357
March 29, 2005, 08:56 PM
Heh, commie-witch.
That made me lol.
:D

tailgunner
March 29, 2005, 09:32 PM
This Missouri boy thinks Arizona rocks! I'm still in shellshock from my good experience. :)

english kanigit
March 29, 2005, 10:33 PM
Zund, you are damn skippy about that commie witch! :cuss:

I'm thinking maybe Missouri or Texas sound like a really good alternative...

MilsurpShooter
March 29, 2005, 10:49 PM
I know how you feel VARifleman. Have to wait until i'm 21 before I can even think about thinking, of holding a handgun lol

RyanM
March 30, 2005, 12:53 AM
I'm in NC, and getting a non resident CCW permit from New Hampshire would be a great idea...but I'm not legally allowed to own a handgun at age 18. =(

Are you sure you can't own one, or just you can't buy one from an FFL? For instance, you might be able to buy a handgun from a private seller in NC, if there are no state laws regulating private sales.

Or you might be able to convince a parent to buy a gun for you (not on your behalf, which is illegal; they have to pay for it with their own money, in other words), if purchasing is illegal but ownership isn't (as it is in PA). Or if ownership of a handgun is illegal but "posession" isn't, you could have them buy a handgun and keep it in their name, but give you written permission to carry it.

I'm not familiar with NC law, and am too sleep-deprived right now to look your laws up myself.

mbs357
March 30, 2005, 01:41 AM
I'm pretty sure that I'm not allowed to posess a handgun, I forget how to get to where I read it...I believe it was an NRA site.
ooo, looks like I was wrong:
It is unlawful for any person under 18 to possess or carry a handgun.
*...cogs = turning...*
I'm going to read through this again, I find it a bit tricky to understand some of it, however.
Link. (http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/StateLaws.aspx?ST=NC)

Been reading, and this ticks me off. >_<
To obtain another handgun, an applicant must procure another permit and must convince the issuing authority that he needs more than one handgun.

sturmruger
March 30, 2005, 02:11 AM
Chris I do the elbow test all the time.

Sometimes my wife asks why I am smiling and I have to sheepishly tell her that I was just checking to make sure my gun was still on me. She doesn't understand.

Valkman
March 30, 2005, 03:46 AM
What Gabe said is why I posted about these events - leaving the gun in plain sight in the hotel room was legal but irresponsible, and being suprised by the checkpoint and having to get out made me forget to button my shirt with the 2 bottom buttons to keep it from blowing around. Live and learn... :)

peacefuljeffrey
March 30, 2005, 05:21 AM
I put myself in a panic once quite recently.

My only true screwup regarding my carry gun.

I was up at my DZ skydiving, an hour and a half north of where I live. I had stayed the night and the next day I went to a seaside restaurant to pick up lunch to bring back to the DZ. I brought my shoulder bag with my carry gun in it, along with my digital camera and wallet, etc. I set it on the stool next to me at the outdoor tiki bar where I placed my order and ate a bowl of soup while I waited.

When I got my order in a big plastic bag and paid, I guess that bag took the place of my own regular bag and made me mistakenly feel like I had everything I'd come in with. I got back to the DZ and was getting out of my car when I looked beside me to the console where my bag would normally be and it was not there. I felt a tingle of panic. I checked again, checked the floor in front of the seat, under the seat, behind the seat... NO BAG. UH-OHHH. I also did not have the receipt from the restaurant which would have had the phone number on it. I jumped back into the car and blazed a path back to the restaurant, fearing all sorts of things might happen.

When I got back there, the same bartender/waitress was behind the bar, and the same middle-aged dude was on the stool a few seats away from where I'd been. I immediately began to ask if he/they had seen my bag left behind and he said sure enough and pointed to a shelf above the bar. The bartender handed it down to me and I began pouring profuse thanks and telling them that they saved me from what would have been an expensive loss. I asked the waitress to give the guy another of whatever he was having, and when he said that all he had was soda, I put a five down on the bar and said, "Well then give him something nice" and walked away, much relieved..."

Let me tell you, having a braindead moment like that can sure give you pause as you consider continuing to skydive for the rest of the day... :uhoh:

(But it all worked out okay. :))

-Jeffrey

Browns Fan
March 30, 2005, 08:37 AM
The elbow test! Man! I thought I was the only one who did this! ;)

There is even a name for it!

mec
March 30, 2005, 09:36 AM
Arizona really must rock. We arn't allowed to carry at professional sporting events.

Control Group
March 30, 2005, 10:12 AM
wouldn't it be easier to just move?
My job, my family, and pretty much everyone I know lives in Wisconsin. More importantly, my g.f. lives in Wisconsin, is pursuing her Master's at UW-Madison, and working for the University Hospital, which is paying for her to get her Master's.

Moving, therefore, isn't so much an option. Or at least, not a good one.

Besides, why should I have to move to exercise my Constitutional rights? :fire:

(note the anger isn't directed at anyone here, but at my stinking state government)

armoredman
March 30, 2005, 10:27 AM
Az does rock - BUT, most sproting events serve open alcohol, and fall under the special event rule of the state firearms law, so I would be very surprised if signs weren't posted at the stadium. That is, supposing this was in a real stadium, and not a spring training game held in a more open, unrestricted place. Not having been in Tempe for many moons, I cannot tell you how thier areas or sporting events are laid out.
The great thing about CCW in AZ,( beside that it's shall issue, doesn't limit the number/types of weapons concealed, and is OK with the carry of legal Class 3), is that if your weapon becomes accidentally exposed, you just went from legal,(concealed), to legal, (open). Nifty!
Plenty of room for good gun people out here - get in on it before all these Calirefugees take all the good spots!

cls12vg30
March 30, 2005, 11:01 AM
To obtain another handgun, an applicant must procure another permit and must convince the issuing authority that he needs more than one handgun.

You read this in North Carolina law? Is this only for 18-21 year olds? You can get up to five pistol purchase permits at a time, $5 each. And now if you have CCW, you don't even have to bother with them anymore. Thank you GRNC. Now to start attacking those carry restrictions... :evil:

mbs357
March 30, 2005, 02:06 PM
Yep, that's what I read at the site. I suppose sherriffs are more lenient than the laws. =p
But anyway, the plan of getting a NH permit sounds good...
Now I just need to get someone to buy a gun for me...for CCW...and get to NH...
Oh, but I notice I don't have to apply in person, according to Packing.org, what exactly does that mean?

El Rojo
March 30, 2005, 02:17 PM
Sometimes I get the feeling that my Glock is poking into my side when it shouldn't be. The best one was when I used to work at a federal prison. Guns on site are a big no-no. The night before I went to K-Mart and just dropped my Glock into my coat pocket. I went, came home, and put the Glock away. The next day at work for a split second I thought I felt the weight of my Glock still in the jacket. Talk about a heart attack. I quickly grasped the jacked pocket and realized it wasn't there. Even if it were, I could have snuck it right back out and gotten it out of there, but still, the possibility of bringing a Glock 27 into a secure federal prison with inmates all around me was a bit scary.

mbs357
March 30, 2005, 02:21 PM
I know how you feel, one morning I reacted the same way when I thought I accidentally took my pocket knife to school.
Difference is, I actually did. >_<

RyanM
March 30, 2005, 03:11 PM
Now I just need to get someone to buy a gun for me...for CCW...and get to NH...
Oh, but I notice I don't have to apply in person, according to Packing.org, what exactly does that mean?

I guess you didn't scroll down far enough when reading Packing.org.

How do I apply for a Permit/License?

Non Residents: Must apply to the New Hampshire State Police, Permits and Licensing Unit (http://webster.state.nh.us/safety/nhsp/plupr.html). You can download an application from the Licensing Unit or contact them at:

Division of State Police
Permits and Licensing Unit
33 Hazen Drive
Concord, NH 03301
Phone: (603) 271-3575
Fax: (603) 271-1153

NOTE: Effective 10/21/04, you must have a Permit to Carry from ANY state before New Hampshire will issue you a non-resident New Hampshire Pistol/Revolver License. A Concealed Carry Permit with restrictions will be accepted by New Hampshire and they will issue you a non-resident License even with a Restricted Concealed Carry Permit.

In my case, a PA "Sportsman's Firearm Permit," which allows the concealed carry of a handgun while hunting, fishing, furtaking, or training dogs, and is issued at age 18 and up, counted as a "Restricted Concealed Carry Permit."

If NC doesn't issue anything like that, you'll need to apply for a permit from a different state. I've looked at all the states which have reciprocity with NC, and NH is the only one which issues at age 18. So you'd need to get a non-resident permit from another state which issues at 18, then use that to get the NH license. Maine and North Dakota both come to mind.

Maine costs $60, and you must provide proof of some manner of training, like an NRA course, and also need to send two passport-style photos. No fingerprints needed, though. Packing.org also lists that you must send copies of any CCW permits from any other states, but I believe this doesn't apply if you have no other permits. Maine law does not say that you must already have a permit to get one of theirs, that I could find, but you might want to call the Dept. of Public Safety (their licensing authority) there and ask, just to be sure.

ND requires you to take a gun course from an instructor on their approved list (there are a bunch in other states); cost for the instruction can be up to $50, plus $7 to $25 for fingerprints and photo, plus $25 for the license itself.


I should add in that getting a handgun might be complicated. In PA, at least, private sales of handguns must be conducted through an FFL, with the yellow form and everything, which means you need to be 21 no matter what to buy a handgun. But PA law does allow paperwork-free transfers of guns between spouses, between parent and child, and between grandparent and grandchild. So my only way of obtaining a handgun is if one of my parents buys it with their own money (if I pay for it, it's a straw buyer thing and a federal offense), then transfers it to me.

If NC law is the same, that's what you'll need to do, too. Either that or get married to someone 21 or older. :D But if NC does not place restrictions on private sales of handguns, you can buy one from anyone without an FFL at age 18 and up. If they buy a gun with the express purpose of selling it to you, though, it's a straw buyer offense again.

mack69
March 30, 2005, 03:59 PM
Control Group I know how you feel bud. Though your chances of getting CCW are much better than mine here in Illinois. My reasons for not moving are the same as yours. All my family and my wife's family are here....I'd still go but mrsmack says have a nice life....hehehhehee...mack

Valkman
March 30, 2005, 04:18 PM
I had no idea whether the stadium would be posted or not, but I saw no signs. Later I saw a list at a gate that listed prohibited stuff, and one thing was "dangerous weapons". Here in NV that would mean nothing to a CCW carrier, kind of like a "No Guns" sign means nothing. Don't know if I was correct or not to think I could carry there, but I did worry about it and the second day I left it in the truck.

Spreadfire Arms
March 30, 2005, 04:45 PM
be careful when you cross over Hoover Dam with a weapon. the guards running the checkpoints are Wackenhut Security. they wouldn't let me cross with my FFL inventory in a trailer because they were "concerned I was maybe trying to blow up Hoover Dam."

idiots. they make security personnel look like idiots. :banghead: they sent me on a 150 mile detour just to piss me off.

i hope one day Wackenhut loses every federal contract they have ever had.

roo_ster
March 30, 2005, 04:49 PM
Back when I carried my Kel-Tec P40 a lot, I often carried in an ankle holster or in the top of my western boots. This necessitated a mag change, as the boot would not accomodate the mag with the finger-ledge, but only the ledge-less mag.

Well, I go on about my way one day, only to return home & place the Kel-Tec in the pistol safe...whe nI discover I had been toting my Kel-Tec "Barney Fife" style: only ONE bullet!

I had forgotten to replace the mag in the Kel-tec & only had the round in the chamber. :o

mbs357
March 30, 2005, 04:53 PM
Whoo, this is tricky...and could get a bit expensive. I might want to wait until I get my feet successfully in school before I start trying to tackle something else. Thanks a bunch for the info, I'm saving it all. =X

Phil Ca
March 30, 2005, 08:02 PM
I used to do the elbow test with BOTH elbows whem working as a reserve officer in a Northern California own. we got a call to check on excessive noise at a quincenara, a coming-out party for 15 year old Mexican girls. The girls were all dressed in white gowns and their escorts in white tux outfits. The place was over crowded and the noise was a few decibels above ear-splitting. As we walked inside I instinctively kept my elbows in touch with my holstered .45 and my PR-24 side-handle baton.

As we crossed the dance floor several of the uninvited vinyard workers turned towards us and they all seemed to challenge us with their eyes. They all had been drinking and were looking for trouble IMO. As we pressed forward towards the person in charge some of the "cowboy" types would step in front of us. My policy was not to look into anyones eyes directly, not to stop and if my boot trod on someone in the way to keep moving and say nothing. At no time did my elbows stray from my pistol or baton.

When we got to the guy in charge and suggested that the hall was getting overcrowded and that he might want to shut off the cerveza to the vinyard workers he agreed. We also suggested that since it was getting on towards 10 PM that they might tone down the music a bit. About that time we were informed of a fight in the parking lot to the left of the building. We made our way to a side entrance and found about 10 people surrounding two would be combatants if they were sober enough. We moved in and got them apart and suggested that someone take them home.

Before the evening was over we called for mutual aid and got another city's K9 team and two double CHP units and a SO unit. As each unit arrived a certain number of bystanders decided it was time to go. By the ime the last unit arrived we had a pretty quiet area. Its too bad the girls coming-out party was almost always ruined by uninvited vinyard workers.

Back in the 70's I had just returned from a cross-country trip inspecting our field offices and I got word I was to be in Chicago to attend a Safety Conferance. I left on a Thursday so I could get in some personal time and visit a few nearby locations as well as a cousin and her family in Michigan. The next Monday was the start of the conferance and Zig Ziglar was to speak at the breakfast meeting. I had awakened a bit later than I planned and in my haste to be on ime and hear the keynote-speaker I left my revolver under my pillow. At the breakfast while drinking my orange juice I was going over in my mind some things from the night before as well as that morning. Imagine my surprise when I remembered that I left the revolver under the pillow!

I waited until a break in the program and scurried across the street from the Hilton hotel to my quarters and dashed to my room. The room was locked and the towels replaced and the bed neatly made up. The revolver was placed neatly under the pillow just as I had left it! I went around the floor until I found the black maid that was doing up another room. I asked if she had done up my room and gave the number. She smiled and assured me that she had done the room up already. I smiled back and thanked her for replacing everything properly. She just said, "I live in this town and I know what its like". Needless to say I gave her an extra tip! I have never left a firearm in a hotel room again either. :)

El Rojo
March 31, 2005, 12:43 AM
be careful when you cross over Hoover Dam with a weapon. the guards running the checkpoints are Wackenhut Security.I was just there Friday and I didn't notice they were Wackenhut. Are you talking about the checkpoint guys? I guess I didn't look too hard at them. The cops at the dam site were feds, dept. of interior I believe. I did notice that the guys inspecting the bus at the checkpoint had revolvers, which leads me to believe they were probably Wackenhut. I worked for Wackenhut before they sold their corrections to GEO Group.

peacefuljeffrey
March 31, 2005, 01:57 AM
I know how you feel, one morning I reacted the same way when I thought I accidentally took my pocket knife to school.
Difference is, I actually did. >_<


Man, how times have changed. When I was in high school in the mid-late '80s, I DID bring a knife to school. Every day. Sometimes it was a tiny 1.25" Buck Gent, other times it was a Tekna Boot Knife in my knapsack. I was not a troublemaker, so I didn't really worry that they'd have to come out. But niether was I ever worried that I'd GO TO FRICKIN' JAIL if it were found out!! :fire: :cuss:

-Jeffrey

mbs357
March 31, 2005, 02:17 AM
I have no idea what kind of reaction I'd get. I wouldn't be suprised if I was expelled, prosectuted, etc. It's a Gerber, black folding knife, and pretty evil looking with a four inch blade. I kept it at the bottom of my pocket the entire day occasionally checking its orientation so it wouldn't print my jeans. Juckily* when I found it, it was before class started and I was sitting down out in the hall, so I had some cover when I hid it.

*Left that there because it was funny. I typed it, looked at it for a bit...thought it looked odd but kept typing. XD Should've been 'luckily.'
My knife. (http://www.gerberblades.com/images/products/6701_lg.gif)

TallPine
March 31, 2005, 10:34 AM
Man, how times have changed. When I was in high school in the mid-late '80s, I DID bring a knife to school. Every day.
Well, yeah... back in the sixties every boy carried a knife in his pocket to school.

mfree
March 31, 2005, 11:51 AM
I once left "something important" in the trunk of my car overnight, forgot about it, and promptly went to work the next morning.

Since work is on *extremely* federal property, once I realized that "something important" was in the trunk I was rather uncomfortable for the rest of the day :)

Nothing like sitting in your office waiting for the raid...

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