Byzantine C&R rules


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mike1966ga
March 30, 2005, 01:51 PM
I just applied for a C&R FFL and while I was looking at some web site I came across this at www.gunbroker.com" (Note to C&R holders: if you are a C&R holder you already know the Byzantine C&R rules so we will not repeat them here) "
well my question is just what are the Byzantine C&R rules :confused:
I looked in the FFL book that came with the application, but me no can find it??
thanks
mike1966ga
p.s.
any sugestions as to where to shop would be great :)

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Zundfolge
March 30, 2005, 01:54 PM
source (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Byzantine+)

Byz·an·tine adj.

5. often byzantine
1. Of, relating to, or characterized by intrigue; scheming or devious: “a fine hand for Byzantine deals and cozy arrangements” (New York).
2. Highly complicated; intricate and involved: a bill to simplify the byzantine tax structure.


I believe the bolded definition is what they meant by "Byzantine".

Bear Gulch
March 30, 2005, 02:49 PM
The AFT will send you books on the laws governing the use of your C&R license, read them and ask questions based on that.

kfranz
March 30, 2005, 02:51 PM
C&R rules aren't all that Byzantine.

Where you shop depends on what you want. If you are into amassing rather than arcane collecting, www.centuryarms.com is the place to start. If you like harder to find, good quality Enfields, try http://www.bdlltd.com/ . Want good descriptions of relatively common arms? www.allansarmoury.com and www.empirearms.com are good places. Large qtys of common arms, www.aimsurplus.com and www.southernohioguns.com are good sources....

Jim K
March 30, 2005, 08:01 PM
Just FYI, Byzantium was the capital of the Eastern Roman Empire, an entity that outlasted the Western Empire, which had its capital at Rome. With a government run by Romans, Greeks, Turks, and Russians, all trying to curry favor with the current Emperor, its bureaucracy was reportedly the most complex, confusing, corrupt and self-serving the world has ever known, before or since. So anything, especially something involving a bureaucracy, that is complicated, confusing and ultimately useless came to be known as "byzantine". The term is also applied to anything from that era, such as Byzantine antiques or Byzantine coins.

Byzantium was later called Constantinople and is today called Istanbul.

Jim

pokey074
March 31, 2005, 06:13 AM
kfranz, stop telling everyone about the great Enfields at BDL, Ltd before I have a chance to buy them all!

HankL
March 31, 2005, 09:29 AM
Jim, This statement its bureaucracy was reportedly the most complex, confusing, corrupt and self-serving the world has ever known, before or since is no longer true is it? ;)

Jim K
March 31, 2005, 08:20 PM
Hi, Hank L,

There are some who think the Byzantine bureaucracy is still in business, just moved to Washington, but I never said that and you can't quote me!

Seriously, and believe it or not, compared to many other countries, the American (Federal, state, local) bureaucracy is remarkably honest and efficient. Anyone who has lived abroad or who knows natives of other countries can confirm that. Getting a passport takes a week or so. Getting a driver's license takes a few hours. In other countries, those things can take months and a hefty bribe to boot.

And don't forget that most of those "Byzantine" gun rules were written into the LAW by our beloved representatives, not decreed by BATFE.

Jim

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