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craig
April 4, 2005, 09:30 PM
do we make the check out to derek or the high road?

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Dionysusigma
April 4, 2005, 09:57 PM
:uhoh:

Um, what? :scrutiny:

Stickjockey
April 4, 2005, 10:12 PM
I believe he was referring to this. (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=133207)

Andrew Rothman
April 5, 2005, 06:16 PM
I'm not an expert, but neither am I convinced that a $5000 server is necessary. I'd like to contribute, but I'd like to see an analysis and a shopping list first.

clipse
April 5, 2005, 06:19 PM
We spent about that much on the server here in the courthouse. It isn't used near as much as the THR server would be. $5000 isn't off base at all.

clipse

ocabj
April 5, 2005, 06:21 PM
To do this right would take almost $5,000 for the hardware and the first year of connectivity.

I think $5000 is reasonable. Hardware + 1 year of colocating a box can be pretty substantial as far as costs go.

wasrjoe
April 5, 2005, 06:22 PM
It really is worth it and needed. 5k for a server isn't that much.

monsternav
April 5, 2005, 06:23 PM
Read carefully. It says 5K for the server AND the first Year of connectivity. Not too bad really, as these things go IMHO. :)

Standing Wolf
April 5, 2005, 06:33 PM
I'll get a check out in the mail by Friday. It won't be for a large sum, but I assume every little bit helps.

The High Road is one of my favorite spots on the internet.

Henry Bowman
April 5, 2005, 06:37 PM
If browsing THR cost me a nickel an hour, I have spent that much by now. :what: My "gun fund" is low at the moment, but I'll happily send what I've got -- and more later.

jsalcedo
April 5, 2005, 06:41 PM
I've been building and maintaining servers for 8 years 5k is very reasonable.

I sent my donation and I urge those of you who log onto THR daily to give what you can.

Blackburn
April 5, 2005, 06:48 PM
Dedicated server for THR? Seriously?

One of my sites passes 80 gigs a month, mostly due to user activity on a php+mysql platform than large files, and the bandwidth cost is barely 100 bucks a month. Reliability is insane.

How much are you planning on dropping on a dedicated box to host a high access PHP script?

Larry Ashcraft
April 5, 2005, 06:49 PM
We will be sending a donation as well.

Larry and Sandy

Oleg Volk
April 5, 2005, 07:01 PM
Make the checks to Derek Zeanah. He agreed to take care of getting the server and setting it up.

About 2,500 pays for the server, about 2,000 (150-160/month) for the connectivity, anything left over helps with THR and APS software license (APS is moving to vB soon).

Waitone
April 5, 2005, 07:03 PM
THR is about as close to a free lunch as we'll get.

It think its about time we pitch in to help out. :rolleyes:

Kestrel
April 5, 2005, 07:11 PM
I do this kind of thing for a living and I can tell you, $5,000 is a drop in the bucket for this kind of solution. Not unreasonable AT ALL.

And $2,500 for a server to serve the number of users on THR, is CHEAP, to boot. The $2,500 for the co-locating is right on the money (and for two domains).

I have some clients, with under 10 users, on servers that cost $6,000-$10,000, easily. It skyrockets when you start adding software licenses, backup technology, tapes, UPS unit, drive arrays, etc. And that doesn't even include a YEAR of CO-LOCATION.

Count me in - will send donation asap. I appreciate the site!

Steve

Oleg Volk
April 5, 2005, 07:14 PM
If there's no interest in improving THR speed and reliability, then we'll do something less expensive...but I can't continue to ask Derek and other moderators to shoulder the cost of such an upgrade.

Kestrel
April 5, 2005, 07:22 PM
Payment Sent!


(I'm definitely interested in the speed and reliability upgrade.)

DelayedReaction
April 5, 2005, 07:26 PM
Start up a Paypal link for donations. I prefer electronic transfers myself.

Larry Ashcraft
April 5, 2005, 08:15 PM
From the float at the top of GD:
You can contribute by Paypal (derek@zeanah.com) or by mail

lwsimon
April 5, 2005, 08:24 PM
Well, my fiance got ahold of our PayPal it seems :eek: ... So I'll send $.41 now, and more when it comes in! :neener:

Derek Zeanah
April 5, 2005, 08:30 PM
If'n you want to make the check out to oleg and mail it to me, that'll work too. ;)

Dedicated server for THR? Seriously?

One of my sites passes 80 gigs a month, mostly due to user activity on a php+mysql platform than large files, and the bandwidth cost is barely 100 bucks a month. Reliability is insane.

How much are you planning on dropping on a dedicated box to host a high access PHP script?It's running on a dedicated server now (dual P3-933, 1.5G ram, hardware mirrored scsi drives). We burn through 60-80G per month (that's with gzip compression on), and the 3G database is servicing an average of somewhere around 25 queries per second (that's over a 24 hour period -- quick #queries divided by uptime calculation -- no look at load). Right now uptime stats hang out at about 1; prior to vB3 we were around 2.5 most of the time, and we're planning for growth (as in no new server in the forseeable future). Right now mysqldump takes 20-25 minutes and makes the board spit errors about database connects for most of that -- IMHO we want more power and faster drives for a less intrusive backup procedure.

I've put about $6k into bandwidth over the last couple of years. That's via an SDSL line to my house -- it looks like decent colo hosting isn't a lot cheaper than that. If you can find a place to do that reliably and affordably in a cheap dedicated solution, I'd like to know about it. ;)

As-is, we're just looking for decent horsepower, hot-swap SCSI drives, and a couple of gigs of memory in a 1u case. Price it out and see what you think you can get it done for. Seriously. I'm way in favor of a cheaper solution that doesn't cost a bundle.

(Like buying a multi-processor SPARC box on eBay for a couple hundred bucks and hosting the behemoth at an ISP owned by a THR user at discount rates. :D )

Norton
April 5, 2005, 08:33 PM
This is the first request for assistance that I've seen here in the couple of years that I've been around.....I sent what I could for now....keep us posted on how things are progressing.

Ohen Cepel
April 5, 2005, 08:40 PM
I echo Norton's comments.

Contribution sent sent via Paypal. Let us know how it goes.

Maybe a raffle or auctions of donated gun related stuff to keep the system up? Seems to work well on some other forums. Just an idea.

Larry Ashcraft
April 5, 2005, 08:50 PM
Maybe a raffle or auctions of donated gun related stuff to keep the system up?
I think I mentioned something about this a while back. I would be willing to donate a laser engraved plaque or two for a raffle or auction. I've got a great elk graphic that looks good on a walnut plaque.

BTW, check sent.

Phantom Warrior
April 5, 2005, 08:52 PM
In case you didn't get my PM, a graph or chart showing how much money we raised would be cool. To keep us informed on the situation and all. (If you got my PM, disregard this comment.)

hso
April 5, 2005, 08:54 PM
money on the way

The Freeholder
April 5, 2005, 10:26 PM
I'm in. Thanks for running the site.

gbran
April 5, 2005, 11:37 PM
Where else can you learn this much and have this much fun for free? I sure don't mind helping and suspect most others feel the same.

Old Fud
April 6, 2005, 12:06 AM
Check's in the mail.

Fud

TheOtherOne
April 6, 2005, 01:39 AM
I'm not an expert, but neither am I convinced that a $5000 server is necessary. I'd like to contribute, but I'd like to see an analysis and a shopping list first
I'm not very familiar with the costs of hardware straight up and then colocation.... but I know to lease something like a Dual Xeon 3.2 with 2gb RAM and 2,000GB of bandwidth per month would run about $400/month ($4,800/year). Something like that would run this site nicely.

hrb02
April 6, 2005, 01:53 AM
Thanks for the efforts with the site.

Sent $ via Paypal.

Sir Aardvark
April 6, 2005, 02:17 AM
How about a raffle?

I'd be willing to donate a brand spanking new-in-the-box Spyderco knife to raffle off.

Something like this: Spyderco - Military Model, Black Blade, G-10 Handle, ComboEdge - retail price $189.95 (or one similar.... it needs to be in stock at the wholesaler, cause if they don't have it, I can't order it).

http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=114

If there is interest in this then let me know.

Say.... something like $10.00 per chance, winner gets the knife.

I wouldn't be able to do this without the support of the Mods, so it is pretty much up to them.

Hopefully something like this would drum up more $$$ for the cause (without turning it into a circus, I hope).

Stratford Holdings
April 6, 2005, 02:20 AM
Would a dedicated hosted server work just as well as a colo? I use these guys. Granted you pay a little more in monthly fees, but you won't have to your own hardware. They're support is awesome.

http://totalchoicehosting.com/web-hosting-dedicated.html

AZTOY
April 6, 2005, 08:59 AM
Money Sent via Paypal :cool:

280PLUS
April 6, 2005, 09:40 AM
But let us know how it's going and I'll send a little here and there as I can.

One of those thermometer charts with the progress would be nice... :p

Sounds to me like for the future we should be looking for a way to offset the connectivity costs as well. $2000 per year is what future costs are expected to be? I don't have a problem with kicking in a few dollars here and there as I can for the future either. Noone should have to foot the whole bill on this by themselves. Maybe set up link to a donation page?

It'll go in the mail probably tomorrow, you guys are making me late again...

:neener:

orangeninja
April 6, 2005, 10:07 AM
" I'd like to contribute, but I'd like to see an analysis and a shopping list first."

Being that Oleg and partners have done this all 100% free up until now, I'll just take it on faith and recommend you do to.

Money will be out on the 15th.

By the way, when picking a hosting company or colo site....do not, DO NOT use CI Host. You have been warned. ;)

Andrew Rothman
April 6, 2005, 10:40 AM
I am embarassed that I didn't catch the "...and the first year of connectivity" part. That changes the equation greatly and it was sloppy of me to miss it..

At the same time, I am grateful to Derek for his detailed explanation (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=1627641&postcount=22), and I am satisfied with it. Money on the way.

Being that Oleg and partners have done this all 100% free up until now, I'll just take it on faith and recommend you do to[o].

It was Ronald Reagan who said, "Trust, but verify." It is perfectly reasonable for donors to ensure that organizations to which they donate are making good use of the funds.

As long as Oleg and Derek were footing the bill (and thank you, by the way), they could use gold-plated polished-by-virgins servers if they so chose.

Once they invited us to help, it's reasonable to make sure that they hadn't missed something.

Anyway, thanks for the further info. Funds on the way!

orangeninja
April 6, 2005, 10:59 AM
:rolleyes:

TheEgg
April 6, 2005, 11:31 AM
It sounds to me like right now the thinking among the chiefs here is to continue with the same basic mode, but simply upgrade the hardware, and leave the housing, connections, and maintainence to Derek, giving him some financial assistance.

I would highly recommend a dedicated server solution via a hosting company, instead.

You are going to get better value for your money. In addition, you take much of the work load off of someone like Derek, who would no longer have to house the server in his home, support/repair the server, support the high speed connection, etc.

In addition, by going the hosting route, good hosts have multiple redundant broad-band connections to the Internet.

The cost will be competitive or better than purchasing equipment and assuming the financial burden of self-maintaining it.

In situations like this, I think back to the Florida hurricanes -- through absolutely no fault on Derek's part, the entire system was down for days. While commerical hosts cannot insure that such an event could not happen to them, they usually are much better prepared, with things like redundant connections and backup generators, to survive such events.

If I were making this decision, I would think about the long-term stability and survivability of the site. I would stay away from a solution that is dependent for its operation on any one individual, even someone as reliable and sterling as Derek!

Good Luck, and please keep us informed.

Derek Zeanah
April 6, 2005, 11:48 AM
In no way are we considering leaving hosting in-house. The whole point is to get it out into a datacenter. This solves a lot of problems as I move to a rural area in a few months, where reliable hosting isn't something I want to plan on finding.

We're up to $604.05 so far, by the way. :)

Daniel T
April 6, 2005, 12:08 PM
I'll definitely chip in, but on one condition! Use Opterons! None of that over-priced, slow Intel garbage!

:D

Well, even if you decide to waste money on Intel Peons, I guess I'll still toss in my share. :)

TheEgg
April 6, 2005, 12:17 PM
Great, that makes more sense to me then, now that I understand your intentions. If I were you, I would really look forward to getting out of your current situation.

How long will the donations be open??

I just got through paying Uncle Sugar for the priviledge of breathing for the year. But I should have some cash flow going in 2 to 4 weeks. Do you think that will be too late?

JohnBT
April 6, 2005, 02:20 PM
"It's running on a dedicated server now (dual P3-933, 1.5G ram, hardware mirrored scsi drives). We burn through 60-80G per month (that's with gzip compression on), and the 3G database is servicing an average of somewhere around 25 queries per second (that's over a 24 hour period -- quick #queries divided by uptime calculation -- no look at load). Right now uptime stats hang out at about 1; prior to vB3 we were around 2.5 most of the time, and we're planning for growth (as in no new server in the forseeable future). Right now mysqldump takes 20-25 minutes and makes the board spit errors about database connects for most of that"


I'm glad somebody here knows what's going on. :confused:

If I donate a little extra will you stop saying stuff that makes me feel old and out of date?

:D

John...I think I got lost somewhere after DOS 3.1

JohnBT
April 6, 2005, 02:27 PM
Okay, I remembered my PayPal password. :cuss: JT

Greymoor
April 6, 2005, 02:47 PM
I enjoy THR and have benefitted from it's existence. Donation sent . . .

Sindawe
April 6, 2005, 03:40 PM
... but I'd like to see an analysis and a shopping list... I'd be interested in seeing the analysis and shopping list as well. Not that it has any bearing on my contributing (which I'll do anyway), just professional curiosity.

sturmruger
April 6, 2005, 03:53 PM
We're up to $604.05 so far, by the way.


Wow I was hoping we would be doing a lot better then that.

BamBam-31
April 6, 2005, 04:02 PM
We're up to $604.05 so far, by the way.

Should be a little higher now. :) ;)

jsalcedo
April 6, 2005, 04:03 PM
Wow I was hoping we would be doing a lot better then that.

I'm sure thats just paypal.

3 gun
April 6, 2005, 06:11 PM
Money sent, I've gotten much more in return.

OF
April 6, 2005, 06:25 PM
...and the 3G database is servicing an average of somewhere around 25 queries per second.Holy...that's waaaay higher than I would ever have guessed. From that figure, I assume we have a hell of a lot more lurkers than we have people participating around here. Like maybe 10-to-1 or more....100-to-1?

- Gabe

TechBrute
April 6, 2005, 06:35 PM
As of this posting, we have

Threads: 125,865, Posts: 1,614,543, Members: 16,703

Currently Active Users: 485 (210 members and 275 guests)

Most users ever online was 1032

I'd say they're doing pretty good with only $5K.

kudu
April 6, 2005, 06:51 PM
I'll send a little on the way at the end of the week by mail.

By the way Derek, thanks for all you've done so far. I'm sure that's the general conscensus. :)

jsalcedo
April 6, 2005, 06:56 PM
There are over 6200 THR member with less than 10 posts, 5200 THR members with less than 5 posts and about 2800 THR members with 0 posts.


In my guestimation there are probably only 150 or so Highroaders that will donate.

Daniel964
April 6, 2005, 07:06 PM
There are over 6200 THR member with less than 10 posts, 5200 THR members with less than 5 posts and about 2800 THR members with 0 posts.

In my guestimation there are probably only 150 or so Highroaders that will donate.

If that works out right and we have only 150 doners we need to average $33.33 each to hit the goal of $5000. I've already sent a check at just below that. I may need to sent another one if that holds true.

charlesb_la
April 6, 2005, 08:08 PM
$ sent via PayPal

Greymoor
April 7, 2005, 12:19 PM
Hehehe, Guess I was lucky ;) I sent $35.00. I figured that is about what I give for a magazine subscription. :D

71Commander
April 7, 2005, 12:43 PM
My Paypal account has just had some of its funds reduced. :p

Sawdust
April 7, 2005, 03:15 PM
Funds sent via Paypal.

Thank-you Oleg and Derek...

Sawdust

Derek Zeanah
April 7, 2005, 05:52 PM
Up to $1,324 via Paypal. :)

280PLUS
April 7, 2005, 06:23 PM
in terms of future funds for connectivity or whatever.

(I too am glad someone around here knows what's going on.)

If just 150 people kick in $20 a year that should be $3000 all by itself.

Or is my math fuzzy?

:rolleyes:

The check is in the stamped addressed envelope and the mail lady gets it tomorrow.

Larry Ashcraft
April 7, 2005, 06:38 PM
Up to $1,324 via Paypal.
Wait 'til you start getting checks in the mail. ;)

P95Carry
April 7, 2005, 06:40 PM
Certainly looking better now, tho some ways to go.

I only managed $30 right now but - as someone mentioned, this sorta figure is pretty much just a magazine sub' - and compared with that the site has way more to offer! Multiply this sorta amount up by our hardcore membership and I think it can be done.

Looking at ''bang for buck'' - less than one cent a day is pretty good! :)

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