24 (Fox): Why doesn't Jack Bauer use a...


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El Rojo
April 5, 2005, 02:13 AM
rifle, carbine, or even a submachine gun??? :confused: Everytime he goes on some CTU tactical mission, he has that stupid handgun. I have never seen him take a carbine or a sub-gun. It makes no sense to me. I mean, yeah Jack is a one man army, but come on. How many of you would go take on terrorists without at least a MP-5 or a M-4 or anything with a barrel length over 5"? I think it would make it more realistic if he would use a long gun of some sort.

And what is up with the "football" getting lost in the desert and Marwan's guys getting there before the Marines? Major plot hole considering the plane was supposed to land in Los Angeles and instead it re-routed to Palm Springs and got splashed in the desert. Some how some local yahoos find the football right before terrorists who were expecting the President in Los Angeles get there in their dune buggies. Also, where is the CAP that just let Air Force One take a hit without deploying mass countermeasures? Surely they know how to straff terrorist dune buggies. Then again, this is all based off of just seeing the previews from next week, so maybe it will make more sense next week.

You know what would have been cool, is if some how Air Force One crashed in AZ and the Minutemen stumbled onto the crash seconds before dune buggy driving terrorists who managed to get from Los Angeles to AZ within 10 minutes. That would be a fun shootout.

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thorn726
April 5, 2005, 02:41 AM
there was a thread that says his gun isnt even a real gun.
i imagine he needed a fake plastic, soft, light gun.
he's always needing his hands free, holstering his weapon.

his backup carries the bigger stuff, plus he's SUPER maN! he NEver misses!

KONY
April 5, 2005, 02:43 AM
Also, where is the CAP that just let Air Force One take a hit without deploying mass countermeasures?

Ummm ... this President is nowhere near as interesting as David Palmer so I would be glad if his character was killed. I want David and Cheri back on the show! :cuss:

CleverName
April 5, 2005, 03:04 AM
Sherry's dead. But President Unhappily Ever After is too, if that's any consolation.

Also, you can see President Palmer sell auto insurance during the commercials.

El Rojo
April 5, 2005, 03:07 AM
I need to get Netflix or the new Blockbuster mail order and get caught up. I just started this season. :( You have motivated me to do this.

David
April 5, 2005, 03:31 AM
If I recall correctly, Agent Jack once used a sniper rifle earlier this season to kill a couple of terrorists who were holding a "computer guy" (a friend of Chloe's ?) hostage.

I believe Agent Jack used a rifle while in the gun store to fight off some defense contractor mercenaries.

Also, I think Agent Jack used some type of long-gun (MP-5 ?) during his
one-man rescue of the Defense Secretary (and the Secretary's daughter aka Jack's girlfriend).

:neener: :p :neener:

El Rojo
April 5, 2005, 03:38 AM
You are correct about the sniper rifle with the computer tech. However, in the rescue of the Sec Def he did not get a hold of an AK-47 until he was already in the compound and pulled it off of a dead terrorist. The same goes for the Mini-14 he had at the gun store, he didn't get it until he got there. Now the gun store situation I understand because he went to the defense contractor not planning on fighting for his life against armed mercenaries, but all of these other situations he knowingly goes into combat on high stakes raids with nothing but a handgun! Come on now!

jdberger
April 5, 2005, 03:53 AM
My wife keeps asking, "why doesn't he secure the BG's weapon after he takes them down." My wife is no tactical princess. Bullets make her nervous, but even SHE laughs at how ridiculous the show is.........

we still TiVo it, though..<shrug>

Blackburn
April 5, 2005, 04:23 AM
I've only seen one episode of it where there was a nuclear blast and russia attacking warships and so on. The played up tension with him on the phone after being on a helicopter crash seemed so ridiculous, and then he just ran off on foot without telling anyone about the crash :confused:

KONY
April 5, 2005, 09:38 AM
Sherry's dead. But President Unhappily Ever After is too, if that's any consolation.

Death of a character would mean nothing to a show like 24. They throw everything PLUS the kitchen sink at you during each season so why not bring back dead characters? In this case, it would be a plot hole I can forgive. :D

SamlautRanger
April 5, 2005, 11:05 AM
Why?? Because it is TV, not real world. :what:

shootist2121
April 5, 2005, 11:10 AM
Aw! Guys...It's a Male Soap Opra!...Relax and enjoy the ride. And pray that not a one of use is ever really put in harms way or our love ones..And to those who have a love one at war..Let's pray they get home safe and sound both physically and mentally.

Be safe. :cool:

GEM
April 5, 2005, 11:12 AM
Yep, it was going good with the reactor plot and tracking Marwan. However, when they killed Dena and went for the President - jumped the shark.

I love Dena! What a voice!

mattf7184
April 5, 2005, 11:15 AM
Seems like it is getting dragged out for me.

That woulda been funny to see the FBI impersonators Glock go KB! though :neener:

veloce851
April 5, 2005, 11:52 AM
I have to say it was nice to see Jack dispell the popular hollywierd myth that hiding behind a sheetrock wall is protection.
When he took that FBI imposter out through the wall, I had to smile :)

It its a much better season than #2 and #3

However.. if our top security units are truly plagued with all that inner office sex politics. Then we are doomed. I mean no one in CTU is acting like a real professional.

Rockstar
April 5, 2005, 11:56 AM
Jack uses the handgun for the same reason that he does everything else, it's in the script. It doesn't have to make sense. You think a professional organization like CTU would actually have people like Edgar and Cloe employed? Not likely.

ZeroX
April 5, 2005, 12:03 PM
I have to say it was nice to see Jack dispell the popular hollywierd myth that hiding behind a sheetrock wall is protection.

I loved that too.

But when I commented like "Finally, a show where the walls aren't made of several inches of steel", some guy was like "Yeah they are!". :scrutiny: :uhoh:

VaughnT
April 5, 2005, 12:58 PM
I'm glad to see that everyone else liked Jack shooting through the wall to kill that chic. I'll bet she took cover behind that wall thinking it would work for her just like it worked in all those movies she grew up watching!

Anywho, the show is great and I make sure to be home every monday to watch it. I don't mind the soap opera love mess going on, though it would be nice to see more professionalism at some points.

That AF1 didn't immediately deploy serious counter-measures when they rec'd warning, was a joke. I'm not .mil and even I know that that would be the first thing on the 'to-do' list. What were they thinking? And why weren't more fighters dispatched to that area? They had to have some warning from CTU and should have been scrambled ASAP!!! :cuss:

And don't get me started on Jack not using a longarm when the situation allows. I'll give him some leeway, but.....

nico
April 5, 2005, 01:44 PM
the last few weeks have definitely had a lot of holes. I find it extremely hard to believe that a person who was dishonorably discharged AND on the terrorist watch list could gain access to, and take off in a Stealth Fighter that easily. The longarms thing is something I've been ranting about to my girlfriend and parents who all watch the show. Also, the part with Jack giving up sensitive information over a cell phone to an FBI agent that he doesn't know and then when he doesn't ask to see her ID when he gets there (especially after she points a gun at him) was pretty far out there. I like the show and haven't missed an episode this season, but some of the holes I've noticed lately are awfully big.

Browns Fan
April 5, 2005, 01:59 PM
Why is it so difficult to believe that a skilled operator (Jack or another) with a pistol could defeat a BG with a long gun? Especially, IIRC, all his shots were within easy pistol range.

nico
April 5, 2005, 02:03 PM
it isn't. What's difficult to believe is that in a situation where he's planning on having a firefight with people armed with FA rifles and sub machine guns, he handicaps himself by picking a pistol. In the episode where he used the bolt action rifle, you could see at least one M4 and MP5 in the cabinet in the back of his truck. It doesn't make any sense that he wouldn't use them in such a hostile situation.
It goes back to the whole thing about bringing a knife to a gun fight (only i guess this is a pistol in an MG fight)

dghboy315
April 5, 2005, 02:23 PM
i was thinking about this exact same question during the entire episode. i have come up w/ no good answer. there is no good reason to take a handgun into a firefight when you have a multitude of long gun options.

Sistema1927
April 5, 2005, 02:29 PM
I thought that the "I'm going off of comm, call me on my cell phone" line was pretty funny last night. Especially since he stayed in the AO for some time before running off to be Mr. Super Hero.

El Rojo
April 5, 2005, 03:01 PM
I forgot about the shooting through the wall last night when I was posting this. I loved that! That did make me feel better.

I didn't remember there being a carbine in his ride when he grabbed his sniper rifle that episode. That blows my theory that he doesn't have a carbine. Now there is no excuse for this! Jack, pick up a rifle!!!

Sactown
April 5, 2005, 03:38 PM
The plot has taken such a crazy turn that it's actually turned me off from the show. Stealing a stealth fighter? Shooting down airforce one? So what if terrorist get hold of the football...how would they know what to do with it. They should've just stuck to bombings or something of that nature. They went a little too far...even for TV reality. What's next? steal the space shuttle and take it to through a worm hole to the Dagoba system...c'mon now!!!

richyoung
April 5, 2005, 04:16 PM
You guys are missing the two biggest holes of all...

1. The Stealth "fighter" ISN'T a fighter at all - it's an attack aircraft. It HAS NO air-to-air combat capability - it's whole reason to exist is to drop bombs (precision guided or otherwise) - no guns, no A2A missles, (also no gun sight or AAM firing system...). Unless AF1 was parked on a ramp, the only way a YF117 could hurt it is to ram it...which brings us to problem #2...

2. The YF117 is subsonic...all AF1 has to do is pick a direction, open up the throttles, and there is no way for a 117 to CATCH it.

psyopspec
April 5, 2005, 05:46 PM
I love the show, but unfortunately I don't have time to schedule it on on TV every week. I get the dvd's instead. Threads about the guns of 24 are great to read, but if you're going to divulge plot points, please please please throw a spoiler alert on there. Thanks, guys!

Combat-wombat
April 5, 2005, 07:31 PM
...last night! He's going against an organized terror cell. A rifle would help. You'd think they'd make much better tactical perimeters, too. Marwan(sp?) has just "slipped around" more than once.

Remington788
April 5, 2005, 08:29 PM
The Stealth "fighter" ISN'T a fighter at all


Thats what I told my wife during the show, bombs only. I figured they would bomb the place where the prez was going to give the press conference, maybe even a nuke, but I guess they decided for something a little more far fetched.

Sactown
April 5, 2005, 09:09 PM
Pyopspec,

Sorry for not including **SPOILER ALERT** before my post. Bad form on my part, won't happen again.

El Rojo
April 6, 2005, 02:30 AM
I thought the F-117 was only an attack aircraft; however it has an F designation, so are you sure that it isn't air to air capable? I have never heard of it being used air to air, but that doesn't mean it can't. I just don't see why the air force would suddenly start using the "F" for a non fighter. This is worth looking up.

Alright, I hit the motherload! Go check out this link for F-117 information (http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/F-117_Nighthawk) and a possible explination of what it has an F designation. It appears that it might technically be possible for it to carry a Sidewinder, but highly unlikely and very impractical. With that being said, any stealth fighters carrying sidewinders around Los Angeles would probably be a well know event around the Air Force; at least with someone who would know the President is in the area and a possible target. Also the F-15 pilots would probably have some night vision and be able to see the F-117 when it got within range of the AF1 and been able to engage with its cannon or maybe even a missle of some sort.

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