Good place to live in the USA??


April 6, 2005, 11:03 AM
So since there are forum members from all over the USA, where is a good place in the USA to settle down?

Definition of a good place woould be:

Easy to get a CCW permit
Gun Friendly
Good outdoor shooting ranges
Good hunting, easy access to public land to hunt, and not big hassles to get hunting permits
Affordable housing. A nice place in nice neighborhood or rural area for $125,000 to $150,000.
Conservative Pro Christian family values (no rainbow flags, tributes to Michael Moore, etc..)
No trailer park areas please.

Well, I already know about Indiana-what are some other places??
Not just the state but the area in the state (I know the cost of living can have extremes in different areas) (Arizona keeps coming to mind??)


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Old Dog
April 6, 2005, 11:07 AM
Sounds like Eastern Washington to me ... (housing prices in Western Washington are higher than what you're looking for, but W.WA has everything else you're looking for). Arizona, if you don't mind hot summers and lack of proximity to water in most areas, seems like it'd fit the bill for you as well.

April 6, 2005, 11:11 AM
Well, I already know about Indiana

Er...I got nothin' then.

CZ 75 BD
April 6, 2005, 11:14 AM
Come to Alabama. All of your points covered.

April 6, 2005, 11:15 AM
South Dakota... Gods country endless hunting options. Can shoot in your backyard.. easy CCW, have not seen colorful flags..

April 6, 2005, 11:31 AM
This thread is already playing out like every other thread I've ever seen like this...95% of the people just advise that you should come live in their state and/or city except for the Californians.

brad cook

April 6, 2005, 11:38 AM
Don't come to Florida. We're full.

April 6, 2005, 11:41 AM
No trailer park areas please.
That pretty much negates all the other stuff you want.

There was a place like that in Waco, I hear, but the FBI burned it down...

Yuma, AZ had most of that stuff, but at the cost of 33% unemployment, 120 degrees in the summer, and psychotic seniors in the winter.

Ala Dan
April 6, 2005, 11:46 AM
If you come to BamaLand, make sure to stay away from the big
city ghettoes such as Bombingham, Monkeytown, T-town, Mobile, and
Huntsville. Crime is VERY high near these areas; especially Bombingham
cuz it sits right between two major prisons. :( :uhoh: :eek:

April 6, 2005, 11:50 AM
There are some affordable areas left in the northern Rockies. Lots of National Forest to hunt in, good gun laws, nice, traditional Christain values for the most part, if you stay away from college towns it's even easier. I sort of enjoy the slightly redneck attitude of Wyoming. Something close to a large area of National Forest should give you a good starting point for looking.

In particular? Try the Cody Wyoming chamber of commerce web site, and look around at the realtors sites. Some expensive land and houses, and some affordable. E-mail me direct and I'll provide the name of a realtor that has done good work for me and several friends.

Much of Arizona has become pretty expensive, but there may be some affordable areas left.

April 6, 2005, 11:53 AM
Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia, and North Carolina.

In that order.

If you consider Va, stay away from NoVa. Housing costs are insane.

I know Va meets your requirements, but TN is a tad more gun friendly. I'm sure Tn meets them as well. West Va is nice based on what I've seen and heard, but the economy isn't as good as the other three states. NC isn't bad based on what I've seen, but not quite as gun friendly as the other three (pistol purchase permits are my main beef).


Billy Sparks
April 6, 2005, 12:08 PM
Actually in NC we can now purchase pistols by just showing our CCW.

April 6, 2005, 12:10 PM
Cool I didn't know that.


Bear Gulch
April 6, 2005, 12:18 PM
Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Utah

April 6, 2005, 12:29 PM
Washington county KY less approx 1 hour to Louisville or Lexington. Good size farm can be had for 150 k Lots of deer ,turkey,fishing. Good schools , history This where Linclon's mother ,father were married. Bought my 1400 sq ft. house at court house for 17000 with 1 ac. 4 years ago. Spent summer and 3500 to fix up . Worth a lot more today. Saw a 85 ac Farm that was a repo out of state lender had put 120 K in farm was willing to sell for 56K 3br home had been small cattle farm.

April 6, 2005, 12:53 PM
Oklahoma meets most of your criteria: Just don't be put off by the stereotypes we labor under here.
So since there are forum members from all over the USA, where is a good place in the USA to settle down?

Definition of a good place woould be:

Easy to get a CCW permitGot mine in 25 days. (note: that's pretty quick - most folks run 60+)
Gun FriendlyBased on personal experience - in not a few states - I'd say that OK ranks right up there with the most gun friendly states in the USA. Make my day laws, castle doctrine, DA's that usually do not prosecute self defense shootings, no waiting limits, no number of gun limits, walk in to a gun dealer and walk out 30 minutes later with your firearms purchase.
Good outdoor shooting ranges4 good ones in or near OKC that I know of and have used though three of them belong to gun clubs. Excellent facilities - especially the range at OKC Gun Club.Good hunting, easy access to public land to hunt, and not big hassles to get hunting permitsI'm not a hunter but OK has quite a few Wild Life Management areas that are open to the public during the various hunting seasons.
Affordable housing. A nice place in nice neighborhood or rural area for $125,000 to $150,000.Cheapest home costs in the USA. In your price range - depending on how far you want to live from the city - I've seen 20 to 30 acres with homes on them for sale. For $150k in the city depending on the neighborhood you can get up to 2000 sq ft (more if you shop around and probably way more if you move to one of our smaller cities). If you build new you'll get less.Conservative Pro Christian family values (no rainbow flags, tributes to Michael Moore, etc..)Heart of the Bible Belt, republican presidential canditate carried OK for past 35 years good enough for ya?No trailer park areas please.Well - we have those - like every other state but in OKC at least most are very well kept and are nice places to live (that is if you don't mind living in a trailer in the middle of Tornado Alley).

Oklahoma is a great place to live. I've been all over the world and lived in many, many places. Compared to most places I've been OK is right near the top. We've got everything (with the exception of ocean beaches) that so called paradises like Kalliecommiefornicatya have with out all the hassle and socialist BS that goes with it. And if we don't have it then you can get it or see it from nearby TX, NM, AR or KS. Does OK have problems? Yeah - the biggest one I can think of is the roads aren't all that great in some places and the education system could be a bit better but other than that IMO we're no worse and a whole lot better off than most places in the USA.

I settled in OK 20 years ago and don't regret that choice at all.

April 6, 2005, 12:56 PM
Oregon's out, I guess. We have trailer parks.
We're full up, anyway. :p

April 6, 2005, 01:19 PM
Easy to get a CCW permit
Shall issue, 16 hour course, $65 fee, two week turnaround.

Gun Friendly
No license/permit,(except shall issue CCW), registration, magazine limit/ban, no AWB, Class 3 friendly, no waiting period, state pre-emption law, so no need to worry about crossing local boundries while carrying. We also have open carry legal, and our CCW permit is not weapon specific, or number specific, so you can carry anything legal, inlcuding any legal Class 3 you may own. Only places you can't carry are posted buildings, government areas,(who are supposed to provide safe storage), and Indian reservations.
Good outdoor shooting ranges
Tucson Rifle Club, over a mile wide, 7 bay Cowboy action range, 1000 yard range, 500 meter range, three 100 yard ranges, 22 range, pistol range, etc...Also my favorite, Tucson Mountain Park range, cheap and usually very quiet, due to it's isolation. Also Desert Trails Gun club on the south east side, made from old concrete castings, and Pima Pistol Club on the Northwest side. Not to mention, AZ law states you may shoot if you are over 1/4 mile from any occupied structure, so wildcat ranges happen all the time. Problem is, litterbugs ruin a good spot, and it gets posted....
Good hunting, easy access to public land to hunt, and not big hassles to get hunting permits
I don't hunt, so I don't really know, but Northern AZ has better hunting than down here, from what I have been told. We have several differant seasons going on all the time, and lots of BLM land that can be hunted with permission. Hunting license are available all over, even in some liquor stores - I kid you not!
Affordable housing. A nice place in nice neighborhood or rural area for $125,000 to $150,000.
Conservative Pro Christian family values (no rainbow flags, tributes to Michael Moore, etc..)
You make of your neighborhood what it is. As for religion areas, we don't have ghettos here, (originally Jewish settlements, NOT inner city slums), we don't really care if the next door neighbor worships a head of lettuce...we may laugh if his "god" wilts, though...Just kidding. Plenty of churches around here, all denominations.
No trailer park areas please.
Why? I live in a trailer/maunfactured home. You should see the construction of new manufactured homes - they are better built than a lot of the frame and chicken wire homes going up now. But, if you insist on not being near any trailer parks, I suggest getting a houseboat on the Texas coast - manufactured homes are everywhere in the country.
We have expanding areas here in Tucson all over, with new construction of "stick" homes going up left and right - a brand new subdivision is going up right down the street from me, "Gladden Farms", nice single and two story dwellings. If I had a digital camera, I'd post some pictures. Marana is a growing community with open areas still available...some homes can have 3-4 acres. Some are way too close together - greedy developers.

April 6, 2005, 02:19 PM
"If you consider Va, stay away from NoVa. Housing costs are insane."

I read an article in the Washington Post on people, well paid professional people, living full-time in their nice recreational vehicles in NoVA campgrounds. Some of them were paying $1400 a month for a space.


April 6, 2005, 02:29 PM
An excellent place to figure out where you might want to live:

April 6, 2005, 03:17 PM
Boise, ID

Good people, great town. I love it here.

April 6, 2005, 03:23 PM
Utah fits all of your requirements. As a benefit, you'd have great access to fishing, hunting, hiking, mountain biking, skiing and other winter sports. You might need to nudge your housing allowance up to live in the Salt Lake or Davis (Ogden/Layton) counties, but in most of the rural communities you can do damn well for that price.

No trailer park areas please.
Out here in the west, why not put a trailer on private land? Nicer trailer parks are alot more common, too. You don't have to worry about natural disaster out here, so people are more apt to buy high-end trailer homes.

Brad Johnson
April 6, 2005, 03:38 PM
So since there are forum members from all over the USA, where is a good place in the USA to settle down?
A vote for my home town of Crowell, TX.

Definition of a good place woould be:
Easy to get a CCW permit
TX is shall issue. 8 hr course and $140 for 4 years.

Gun Friendly
Hey, it's TEXAS!

Good outdoor shooting ranges
Good hunting, easy access to public land to hunt, and not big hassles to get hunting permits
Why go to a range when you can buy all the land you want for $200 an acre? Heck, buy a whole section for $125,000. Hunting permits run about $50 a year and you can get them almost anywhere.

Affordable housing. A nice place in nice neighborhood or rural area for $125,000 to $150,000.
How about a 1400 sq foot 2/2 in GREAT shape for less than $25,000? Heck, you could probably buy something a little ratty and put $12 or $15K into it and have a showplace for less than $30K all told.

Conservative Pro Christian family values (no rainbow flags, tributes to Michael Moore, etc..)
There are three liberals in the whole county, and I think it's illegal NOT to go to church on Sunday. Moore would never stand a chance....

No trailer park areas please.
Why buy a trailer when the houses are cheaper?

Well, I already know about Indiana-what are some other places??
What's Indiana?

Not just the state but the area in the state (I know the cost of living can have extremes in different areas) (Arizona keeps coming to mind??)
Cost of living is low. Groceries and gas are little higher because of the small town thing, but the extremely low housing costs offset that by a huge margin.

You're welcome!

Seriously, it's a great place to live and raise a family. Or to retire for that matter. It's a little farm/ranch town in the heart of big ranch country in north central Texas. Heck, we neighbored with the 6666, Waggoner, and Matador ranches when I was a kid. Deer, feral hogs, coyotes, dove, and quail. There is a pretty good sized lake (Lake Kemp) about a half hour away. There is a WalMart about 25 minutes away (in Vernon). And if you need a bigger city Wichita Falls is a little over an hour, Lubbock is 2.5 hours, Amarillo is 3 hours, and Dallas is about 4.5 hours. The economy is pretty slow, which makes for great house prices on the few that are actually for sale. Prices range from low 20's on some older places that need work to mid-80's for places that are less than 30 years old and ready to move in.

Hope this helps!

John Ross
April 6, 2005, 03:39 PM
Is the local employment market irrelevant in your location search?


Old Fud
April 6, 2005, 03:40 PM
Fort Bragg or Clear Lake CALIFORNIA!

Both are in localities with shall-issue sheriffs.
Both are beautiful.
EZ access to open areas, wilderness, not that far from the mountains.

I won't argue the cost of buying in, but would also like to point out that, If you can manage to make the payments, you will also have a better wealth-accumulating built-in retirement savings program than anything else you can imagine. Only problem being, once you get comfortable in your new home, you will never want to leave it.

You might remember that the total state of California voted 45% republican, and something like 80% of the counties are red.


April 6, 2005, 03:48 PM
The Davis Mountain area down south to the Big Bend. Sparsely populated, the country still has a wild feel to it, as I imagine the Arizona areas mentioned also have. There is not much public land in Texas, but there is the Black Gap Wildlife Management Area (I think it's called), which is state land, not FEDERAL (they just couldn't grab ahold in Texas). They do allow hunting there in season (no closed season on varmints).

For your money there, you could probably have enough land so as to not need a public range, but there are some.

I do not live there personally, but do spend a lot of time in the area. I hope I'm not speaking out of turn, but at least one of our members, Art Eatman, does live out there and would be the guy to ask.

Art, I appologize if I presume too much.

BTW, You won't find an area more friendly in general as well as gun friendly. There are several Christian church camps out there too (Methodist, Babtist, etc.). Folks'll even wave to you on the highway as they pass by. And they will stop to render aid on the side of the road when you need it. (When you need it, you really need it, we're talking remote here).

West Texas friendly is for real.

Tom Servo
April 6, 2005, 03:55 PM
Sounds alot like North Georgia and/or Tennessee. I live just far enough north of Atlanta (about 25 miles) to be within reasonable driving-distance of stuff, but far away enough not to feel the crime or traffic much. As you go further north towards the Blue Ridge Mtns, property costs plummet, there's plenty of hunting land, and there are several DNR ranges.

Georgia's a shall-issue state (without even a training requirement), though permits can take awhile in the more urban counties. Just about everybody has a permit, and alot carry. The police are very friendly about it, and "are you carrying a firearm?" is more of an icebreaker than a intimation of suspicion :)

April 6, 2005, 04:01 PM
Idaho's not the place unless you like ticks. We are known as "The Tick Fever State". Damn things as big and as numerous as cockroaches in California. Bad water, too.

April 6, 2005, 04:20 PM
Welcome to Alaska. We've got what you're looking for.
Good Hunting in most areas.
Fantastic Fishing.
Access to more public land than you'll ever have time for in a lifetime.
Lots of open space.
Concealed carry either with or without gov documentation. AK CHL is good for 5 years, exercising your VT style right to carry is good for life as long as you don't aquire any legal disabilities like felonies and DV convictions. Ak recognizes all state issued permits issued out of state and allows non-resident VT concealed carry for visitors. Concealed carry is if you can pick it up and carry it, you can carry it.
Full auto friendly.
No state income taxes.
Plenty of land available outside borough and municiple boundries if you have an aversion (like I have) to property taxes and you don't mind living a self-sufficient lifestyle.
Bunny huggers, socialists, granola crunchers, earth-muffins, sheeple and the like, tend to gravitate mainly around Anchorage, the UA campuses in Fairbanks and Anchorage, and Denali NP.
Did I mention winters tend to be long, cold and dark? Temps of -40F and colder are not uncommon in the Interior, and -20F temps are not uncommon south of the Alaska Range, a bit warmer in coastal areas. :D

April 7, 2005, 10:10 AM
It also sounds like a lot of us are happy with our homes and proud to be where we are.

We are blessed indeed.

Redneck Revolver
April 7, 2005, 10:30 AM
Come to Alabama

will do! i actually plan on moving there in a few months. dont really know how im gonna do it (lack of money being a prime concern) but hell i'll try it at least. so how is the climate, not just gun wise but weather wise, etc. any good places near the georgian border? (my girlfriend has family in georgia near the alabama border so we'd probably wanna end up near by.)

April 8, 2005, 12:01 AM
Central Pennsylvania.

Easy to get a CCW permit

$19, set by law. No training required. Takes a week for the background check. The most extreme case I've ever heard was two weeks. Paperwork fell behind a desk, sheriff personally apologized.

If I remember correctly, PA has one of the highest number CCW's per population in the US.

Gun Friendly
Good outdoor shooting ranges

No permits required, NFA weapons allowed, PICS takes maybe five minutes. PLENTY of ranges, most very reasonably priced.

Good hunting, easy access to public land to hunt, and not big hassles to get hunting permits

Plenty of hunting here in central PA. Hunting permits can be bought at a bunch of different places.

Affordable housing. A nice place in nice neighborhood or rural area for $125,000 to $150,000.

Except for really close to Harrisburg or Philly, that'll get you three bedrooms, two baths easily.

Conservative Pro Christian family values (no rainbow flags, tributes to Michael Moore, etc..)

Uhh... Well. I guess outside of Pittsburg and Philly, that's everywhere. Generally, I don't interview my neighbors for their theological views. If any of them interrogate me for mine, we'd have issues.

To each their own.

No trailer park areas please.

They're around. Not really common here in PA.

April 8, 2005, 01:11 AM
You should check into some areas AK, no ccw permit required. if you don't hunt thats ok, but if you don't like anyone to hunt they will drag you outa town. anywhere in AK you are no more than 10 miles from a place that you could walk out of civilization. I would suggest south central or somwhere in south east alaska, south east can be kinda rainy though, and south central gets only kinda cold.


April 8, 2005, 09:47 AM
Texas would be at the top of the list.I live in Austin, Texas. The rest and not in order are Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida,and Arizona. I know Texas and Florida do not have state income tax. Back on the Texas subject. Central and West Texas are great places to live very scenic bunch of places to shoot,hunt, and fish. Here is a list of links below.

April 8, 2005, 10:03 AM
I gotta put in a plug for North Carolina here. Everything you listed and yet still has culture. Nice weather, all fours seasons but they're all mild; no extremes. Moved here from ********** last June and absolutely love it.

cortez kid
April 8, 2005, 10:04 AM
My vote is for PA. Tons of rural space, lakes galore, running streams, every kind of game you can think of. Came to PA from california. Once you get over the winter weather, some people actually like it. Got 30 acres and no one complains about my shooting, all of which is big bore and often. Walk in get a hand gun and walk out. NICS check and about 8 mins, as long as your a good guy. Thats only fair. Can't tell about CCW, don't have one myself, yet. First day of deer season is an actual school holiday. PA has what is known as the big "T", Pittsburg onthe left, Philly on the right, and Alabama in the middle. Housing is reasonable.
good shootin

April 8, 2005, 10:06 AM
Forget Ohio... :( Not much to offer. Two seasons (winter and summer), grey overcast skies, buggy in the summer, plus humid. Everyone knows about the CCW problems. Seems like a lot of 'out-of-the-country' people are moving to many parts of Ohio. And, Columbus is ahead of or right behind San Francisco in the number of gay residents. No, I wouldn't recommend Ohio.

Bear Gulch
April 8, 2005, 10:09 AM
Even the worst places in the USA beat the better places elsewhere!

April 8, 2005, 11:06 PM
I live in Matagorda county Texas,, Not a bad place. Pop. 48000. .....MUTT

April 8, 2005, 11:11 PM
If you can take very hot weather, Texas is a gun owner's paradise.

And most of our diehard lefties live in Austin, the rest of the state is about as conservitive as they come.

You will have a drive ahead of you to hunt or shoot in about any part of this state just becuse its so large.

Shanghai McCoy
April 8, 2005, 11:23 PM
I'll put in a vote for NE Oklahoma.Tulsa and the area around it was a good place to live and I still have some land out in Creek County.Two good clubs in Tulsa,Oil capitol and Red Castle.Houses and land were affordable and the job market seems to have picked up since we moved.Good people too,Oklahoma is the "Buckle" of the bible belt...
Can ya tell that I still miss the place?

April 8, 2005, 11:33 PM
Please don't include rural Southern Missouri in your list. There are so many Californicates moving in here, before you know it they will vote in the same herky/jerky laws that no sane person would consider.

They sell out their 1/2 million dollar shacks and then move over here and drive up the price of barely workable cattle, hay, and orchard land to levels where nobody can live like a real human being. I am really surprised we don't have our own border partrol to keep them out.

April 9, 2005, 12:16 AM
Real Estate is too expensive, most of the state is Socialist (fortunately I live in the one red county in an otherwise disgustingly blue state)
But worst of all, the AWB is still alive and well here (pistol grip on that auto shotgun? You're going to jail boy!).

Frankly the whole NE is a total write off for your purposes.

But a billion times better than living in England!


April 9, 2005, 01:17 PM
An excellent place to figure out where you might want to live:

I checked this site out, did their survey. First two places listed were Charleston and Greenville, SC. Next was Jacksonville, FL followed by Athens, GA. I've taken a couple other surveys like this and Athens has been up there on my list. Sounds like that's where I need to go, not that it helps out the poster of this thread any. I just thought it was interesting that the top 4 on my list are places I've never even considered. My wife and I have been talking about moving to TX, specifically the Dallas suburbs.

April 9, 2005, 11:05 PM
will do! i actually plan on moving there in a few months. dont really know how im gonna do it (lack of money being a prime concern) but hell i'll try it at least. so how is the climate, not just gun wise but weather wise, etc. any good places near the georgian border? (my girlfriend has family in georgia near the alabama border so we'd probably wanna end up near by.)

I live in Mobile, and contrary to what Ala Dan says, crime is not bad here. Like any city of a larger population (Mobile is about 500,000), you have your bad parts of town, but the crime rate here is very low and liveable. Biggest problem here, like any rural area, is going to be methlabs.

The climate is great if you hate the cold. It's warm in the winter, with many days in the 60's and 70's, and if you live near the coast, like I do, it's tolerable in the summer. Humidity is high, but that's to be expected. In this area, near the Gulf of Mexico, low 90's are the norm in the heat of summer. If you go farther north, it occasionally hits the low 100's, but not that often.

In my opinion, Alabama is one of the true sportsman's paradises. You have a vast amount of plentiful game to hunt, one of the longest deer season's in the country (if not the longest), great fishing available to you, including saltwater, very relaxed gun laws (my CCW took me ten minutes to get :) )

Real estate here is dirt cheap.

This area has a real benefit to it as it is no different than the Florida Panhandle (in fact, it used to be part of Florida), but the housing is cheaper, and the population is lower.

New Orleans is 2 hours away, Biloxi 45 minutes, Pensacola 30 minutes, and Panama City Beach is 2.5 hours away. Anything you could want is within a short drive.

I hope I'm not leaving anything out.

April 10, 2005, 01:17 AM
I took this survey and Greenville, S came up #1.
Ironically, Greenville is where my wife and I met. We loved it there and would like to go back one day permanently :)
Good survey!

April 10, 2005, 05:39 AM
Kentucky is a pretty good place to live,open carry is legal here (Was carring a pistol when I turned 14 and I still am carring) C.C.W. is very easy to get.

You can find a good place to live for a fair price,alot of people are pretty friendly around here.

April 10, 2005, 07:44 AM
I live in the Peoples Republic of California and not prowd but in Nor-Cal, Butte County to be more precise, is everything youre looking for

April 10, 2005, 08:01 AM
Pennsylvania should be on your short list. Good hunting and fishing, reasonable gun laws, easy purchase, no registration, shall issue state. Just stay away from the sewers, er, cities and it's a beautiful state. Real estate prices are affordable in most of the state, again stay away from the cities.

Come to Pa. We still have some room left.

April 10, 2005, 08:17 AM
The area I'm in here in maine fit's your list as well. Well, except for the housing costs (add $100K easily) unless you want to be quite a ways out of a town.

April 10, 2005, 08:58 AM
I have heard Maine is pretty nice, especially if you get out into the boonies. But I have also heard that outsiders are treated pretty rude and not accepted at all, is that true??

Also heard Maine is pretty liberal? But I guess that may only apply to the more costal populated areas and not the rural areas.

What can you get for $125,000- $150,000 in terms of housing in a more remote rural area??

April 10, 2005, 09:38 AM
Vermont isn't cheap but we've got some of the best non-existant gun laws in the country!
Silencer/Suppressors are still a no-go for the time being...looking to change that though. Carry where you want, no permits and no hassles.

John Ross
April 14, 2005, 09:33 AM
Sam, much of New England is like that. And I don't know what your situation is finances-wise, but I think you'll get more than the normal amount of resentment in Maine if you are better-off than your neighbors.

Successful NFA dealer Dan Shea (Long Mountain Outfitters and Small Arms Review magazine) moved from Harmony, Maine to Henderson, Nevada (Las Vegas area) because he needed to expand his facilities and knew if he added buildings etc. to his Maine property, he'd NEVER get his money out on sale. None of his neighbors had more than the bare minimum, they were all resentful of his success, and the fact that he hadn't been there for three generations.

People's attitudes vary in different parts of the country. In some places success is admired, and in these places there is a kind of energy that is very appealing. Holstermaker Ken Null moved to Georgia (I forget from where) and was stunned at how friendly everyone was to him.

I've been in every state in the Union except Hawaii and am impressed with how many great places there are in this country.


April 14, 2005, 09:51 AM
Brad Johnson,

Your recommendation was great until you said: "TX is shall issue. 8 hr course and $140 for 4 years. In my county, here in Bama, permits are $15/year. I think a neighboring county charges only $7. No classes.

An 8 hour CCW class and $140? Y'all need to work on that. Then Texas would be perfect. :)

captain obvious
April 14, 2005, 10:02 AM
Parkersburg, West Virginia.

Large (for WV), relatively cosmopolitan (nowhere near a Cleveland or Pittsburgh, but very good for the area) town that is in the top ten most inexpensive places to live in the US.

West VA has only one gun law (barring CCW) - a statute against state gun control. CCW is shall issue, and further legal discussion is probably unnecessary, as WV has its own reputation.

West Virginia contributes, by percent of population, more troops to the US Armed Forces than any other state, and has its bearings firmly in the right place in terms of values and morals (Morgantown aside :evil: ).

Public land/hunting areas are easy to find - just drive a bit further south or east.

April 14, 2005, 10:48 AM
Bama is one of the poorest States in the Union BTW. Anyway stay out of Okie land and trust me, on any State that has weak watered down beer is not the State to live in.

April 14, 2005, 11:32 AM
Not too many weeks ago there was a thread about tennessee on here because a lot of folks on here are from there. Lots of info in that thread.

Ohio is pretty expensive to live in when you add up all the sales tax, gas tax, state income tax, and other stuff the state keeps doing to keep their money bags refilled.

I am moving before too long and most places I looked at are cheaper to live in than ohio.

One thing I like about ohio is that as a land owner I can shoot a deer during hunting season and I don't need a hunting license or permit or tag or anything when I go tag it in. This is for hunting on my land only though and things are capable of changing anytime.

Oh, I guess I should mention that while tennessee has no state income tax on earned wages I do believe they have an income tax on dividends and stuff from investments. I am still figuring this one out.

Overall, my biggest concerns are what it costs to register a car in the state, how much of my income I take home each week, how much sales tax is and what all is taxed with that sales tax. In ohio the basic foods are not taxed.

As far as what ccw costs, some states are a lot cheaper than others but one thing to look at is what a renewal can cost. Some states are pretty cheap to renew while others are almost the same cost as the initial permit.

Good thread and please keep it going. There are an awful lot of things to consider when moving.

April 14, 2005, 11:50 AM
I'd say Texas meets all your requirements, EXCEPT lots of public easy access hunting land. Most of the land here is private, and it'll cost you to hunt. That's the only downside. But it hasn't stopped me from hunting to my hearts content.

April 14, 2005, 01:32 PM
Northwest West, or Central Wyoming. All points covered. I too like the Redneck matter-of-fact attitude of Wyoming. That's what brought me here.

April 14, 2005, 02:01 PM
I can't reccomend my whole state as far as affordable housing or trailor parks lol but there are definetly sections of the state mainly the northern half of the state where housing is still affordable. As far as gun laws go the ccw is very easy and fast to get. I got mine in less than a month. We just passed a new law basically extending the castle doctrine to wherever you happen to lawfully be meaning no duty to retreat and protection from any crusading da's. We have lots of hunting areas and at least in the northern half of the state the population is very conservative.

Vern Humphrey
April 14, 2005, 03:09 PM
Here in the Arkansas Ozarks, the sky is blue, the dogwoods are in bloom, the horses are showing off from sheer good spirits. The turkies are gobbling, and next month it will be spring squirrel season.

Arkansas is a shall-issue state, and housing is pretty reasonable. You can get beautiful places in the country cheap, and folks around here don't care what you do as long as you do it on your own property.

Otherguy Overby
April 14, 2005, 03:22 PM
If someone is thinking about moving to a rural area of another state, or even just another state, there's a lot to check out first.

Lemme tell ya, I been through this...

You need to check out taxes:

Property taxe rates (2% Texas, 1% Wyoming, 2% South Dakota)
Income tax rates... States having none: New Hampshire, Florida, Tennessee, Texas, South Dakota, Wyoming, Nevada, Washington and Alaska.
Personal property taxes (if applicable)
Vehicle license fees & registration
(For example, if I moved to Texas, it would cost me $90 for each vehicle I'd want to register [one time new registration fee per vehicle] plus license & registration. They also have (annual?) vehicle inspections... I've a car, a jeep a motor coach, two trailers, and half a dozen motorcycles, IOW, with the recurring inspections a PITA.)

The amount of restrictions on what you can do with your rural property, if any. Minnesota comes to mind as a really scary state for this. Special conservation and taxation districts having ultimate approval of changes to your property...

Texas rural property taxation is made affordable by using an agricultural or wildlife exemption. IOW, you must run animals, grow stuff or feed game and have sufficient proof to show the tax guy. Mess up on this and there's a FIVE year penalty tacked on to your now market value assessed county land.

The major political climate. For example, I really like Montana, but it seems about every liberal tree hugger does, too. There's no sales tax there but other taxes are higher to make up the difference.

You have to do your research as fully as you can; maybe the equivalent of several full time days finding out answers to things that can affect you. That country dream property could really be a nightmare...

BTW, that thing worked well enough that it picked several towns/areas I'd already checked out.

April 14, 2005, 05:02 PM
Take a look at Iowa. In particular Humboldt and Boone Counties. Sherrifs are great, land is not that expensive, great hunting is easy to find. The only drawback is the inhabitants are rather Redneck. I currently live in Story County, which is where Iowa State University is located(right next to Boone County), and I grew up in Humboldt.

Oh yeah, one more drawback. Iowa does NOT have a high powered rifle season for deer. :banghead: :fire:

April 14, 2005, 05:21 PM
Arizona. Let me know if you want to buy a house.

April 14, 2005, 06:09 PM
If you like hunting and fishing, Michigan isn't too bad. Stay away from Detroit, though :barf:

April 14, 2005, 06:32 PM
I just heard an update on Utah last night on the news, turns out we're projected to be one of the top states for job growth this year, and all your other requirements are met.

April 14, 2005, 06:48 PM
Good choice, captain obvious, my home town. I wasn't going to speak up, and was surprised to see "Parkersburg, WV" listed. I think it's a good place, but lived here all my 48 years, and four other generations before me, so I'm just a bit biased. Anyone curious or wants to discuss seriously off-list send me an e-mail. If you're considering WV, Wood county is as good as it gets.


April 15, 2005, 02:45 PM
If you're into city living, a brand new Fox & Jacobs house with about 2000 SQ ft, 3 bedrooms, upstairs AND downstairs living rooms, 2 1/2 bathrooms, 2 car garage is running about $108K in Fort Worth, Tx. I just had a friend buy this exact house, which is why I know the price :)

Public hunting: The Lyndon B Johnson Grasslands offer dove, otherwise you'll be paying for a Deer lease. Some places offer Hog Leases, and some farmers are happy for you to just come by and help cull them out. Fishing is good, all sorts of lakes here (A la Army Corps of Engineers).

Gun Friendly? Like someone else said, It's TEXAS! No permit needed to carry a long gun or shotgun, Permit needed for concealed carry of pistols, NO Open acrry allowed of pistols unless you're on your own land or other private property with permission. CCL holders bypass NICS when buying new weapons.

Ft Worth is a large city, close enough to Dallas to get there if you want to, but independent in style and politics. There's a local BBQ joint that has the following motto: Life's too short to live in Dallas.(Railhead BBQ... my 2nd favorite BBQ joint) :) The 2 cities really are different. Dallas is the party town, Ft Worth is the cultural mecca. (Seriously). I live on the west side, and can be in the country in 5 minutes driving. The people are very friendly, and since Texas seems to be the place to be, we're used to foreigners :) (aka anyone NOT from Texas) Just remember 1 basic rule... We don't care HOW you did it back there!

Some of the best cooking around in the D/FW metroplex, Dallas has more resturants than NY City. Tons of activities, and Ft Worth is the BUCKLE of the bible belt :-D A lot of conservative folks here, and more churches than you can shake a stick at.

Gun Ranges: There are 2 outdoor and 3 indoor ranges within 15 minutes of where I live. More as you drive :) There's even a place about 1.5 hours out that has a 1000 yard range and allows .50 shooters as well as REALLY nice classes. 550 acres of shooting heaven.

Hope this helps.

April 15, 2005, 03:06 PM
Arizona for me!
800ac for 120K, bordered by BLM and State Trust land

April 15, 2005, 03:20 PM
Georgia for sure.
Good gun laws overall, working on improving CCW laws but still good as another poster noted above. Has it all, if you want to live in a bustling metropolis, you can live in Atlanta. Or you can live in any # of smaller cities, Macon, Clumbus, Savannah...
Or the open country where houses and land are cheap.

April 15, 2005, 03:33 PM
Definition of a good place woould be:
Easy to get a CCW permit
Gun Friendly
Good outdoor shooting ranges
Good hunting, easy access to public land to hunt, and not big hassles to get hunting permits
Affordable housing. A nice place in nice neighborhood or rural area for $125,000 to $150,000.
Conservative Pro Christian family values (no rainbow flags, tributes to Michael Moore, etc..)
No trailer park areas please.
Well, a number of places come to mind. South Georgia and extreme North Georgia. West Texas. Almost all of Alabama (except for Huntsville and Tuscaloosa- too liberal for you). Alot of North Carolina (but some of it has a very sizeable liberal minority-of course, they keep the public schools in great shape and the cultural oppurtunities thriving, so they aren't all bad).
There are tons of great places that meet your criteria. Good luck.

April 15, 2005, 08:50 PM
well north idaho met all your criteria until a couple years ago, its no longer cheap land/housing. i already have my land and housing so... i think ill stay :D

April 15, 2005, 09:48 PM
that serve alcohol. I think that narrows the field quite a bit. :banghead:
Don't forget "Must have high speed internet available"

April 15, 2005, 10:43 PM
All I can say is that Wyoming only has TWO gun laws....and they are in the process of getting rid of one of them. :) If I could make a living there, I would be there tommorow.

July 3, 2005, 11:27 PM
"TX is shall issue. 8 hr course and $140 for 4 years.

In Sept. of this year this will go to 5 years but still $140 :rolleyes:

Now, I have thought about why it is so high here and all I can come up with is our proximity to the southern border and that such a price will keep certain "undesireables" from obtaining permits. This kind of thing has been going on in our govt as long as we have had one. Certainly it is much less talked about these days but it does still exist.

July 4, 2005, 11:29 AM
Don't come to Florida. We're full.

Not only are we full, I going to propose an amendment to the Florida Constitution to ship transplants back up north if they;

1. Complain about the heat
2, Complain about the weather/huricanes
3. Say anything close to "You can't get good (insert food name here) like you can in New York


July 4, 2005, 12:47 PM
I'll echo Werewolf's post on Oklahoma.

I am a native Oklahoman, been here for 46 yrs. Everything he said is right on the money.

Two major cities, OKC and Tulsa. Tulsa is in the NE portion of the state and has more rolling hills, trees and lakes nearby.

As far as hunting, it's a great state for it.............

The Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation owns or manages approximately 880,000 acres. These areas are intensively managed to produce quality habitat and high production of a variety of species. Many of these areas are open to all types of hunting, and most are open to at least limited hunting. Maps and descriptions of all these areas are included in the “Public Hunting Lands of Oklahoma.” In addition, more than a 1,000,000 acres in the Ouachita National Forest and Weyerhaeuser Company timber lands in southeastern Oklahoma are open to the public.

A few facts........

* Oklahoma has roughly 160 public lakes, numerous rivers and countless farm ponds.

* Oklahoma has more shoreline than Minnesota, the land of 10,000 lakes.

* It has more shoreline that the East Coast and Gulf of Mexico combined.

* The third largest man made lake in the world is in Oklahoma. Second largest in the U.S.

* 176 species of fish. The following are some favorites.

Fish Species:

Crappie----Redear Sunfish
Blue Catfish----Spotted Bass
Bluegill----Striped Bass Hybrid
Brown Trout----Saugeye
Channel Catfish----Smallmouth Bass
Flathead Catfish----Striped Bass
Largemouth Bass----Walleye
Rainbow Trout----White Bass

Hunting species:



Migratory Game Birds......DUCKS, GEESE, TEAL, WOODCOCK, DOVE (morning and white wing), SNIPE, RAIL AND SANDHILL CRANE.




I have traveled all over the USA and although there are many states with excellent areas to live, I have chosen to stay here with all there is to offer.

1 old 0311
July 4, 2005, 01:00 PM
Another vote for Indiana, if you don't mind the sidewalks being rolled up at 10:00 p.m.


July 4, 2005, 01:12 PM

Don't lump NH and Maine in with CT et. al. thank you. :D

No sales tax
No income tax
Instant background check for gun purchases
No gun registration
Shall Issue CCW (can't remember price anymore $10-$15 good for 5 years)
Right of tresspass i.e. isn't posted = can hunt without permission. Good idea to ask.

July 4, 2005, 06:08 PM
Sounds like Missouri to me! But you will run across a trailer park or too. But then again, where wouldn't you? We have lots of public hunting land, liberal limits and a huge whitetail herd along with bunches of turkey.

What am I saying? Stay Away!

July 4, 2005, 06:58 PM
Missouri is a great state for an outdoorsman!

July 4, 2005, 07:43 PM
I live in Kern County. A couple of years ago you coulda bought for $150K, but housing is going up. Now figure on about $225K for a decent 3br w/gar etc.

I have a CCW, I hunt upland game birds, deer, pigs, ground and tree squirrels, misc. varmints, etc...... all a short driving distance on public land. I could probably shoot out my back door if I moved about 5 miles. I can be at the coast deep sea fishing within a couple hours. We have a really great outdoor range 25 miles out of town and an indoor range at one of our gun stores. Kern County has issued more CCW's than any of the other 57 counties in the state.

July 4, 2005, 07:47 PM
Colorado is good, so long as you arent racist. There are a large amount of mexicasn/hispanics here.

We have some 'rainbow flags' but mostly in the cities.

July 5, 2005, 11:38 AM
Colorado is good, so long as you arent racist. There are a large amount of mexicasn/hispanics here.

Sounds like you haven't been around America much....thats pretty much everywhere.

July 5, 2005, 11:45 AM
The best place to live in America?

How about "the past", the future doesn't seem to hold the promise that it once did. I weep for this country.

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