Wal-Mart out of control


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jdseven1
April 8, 2005, 07:53 PM
Today me and my wife went shopping at Wal-Mar I picked up a .30 cal cleaning mop and put it with my wifes cart as she was checking out she called me over and the checkout clerk advise me that I to show her my F.I.D card. I said that this did sound correct I showed my F.I.D and we left the counter. I went back to the counter where they sell firearms and advised the clerk what happend He ran a cleaning mop thru the scanner and it ask for my F.I.D he keyed in I did not have F.I.D and it canceled the sale but the slip said that I had to be over 18 to buy gun cleaning supplys. Anyone run into this problem? This was in the great state of Mass but this is overkill.

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Chipperman
April 8, 2005, 07:58 PM
Was town was this in?
I've bought cleaning stuff in various Wally-Worlds without having to show any ID.
Maybe they're hoping the criminals' guns will get so filthy that they jam up while trying to shoot at Cops. :rolleyes:

Kamicosmos
April 8, 2005, 07:59 PM
You have to have a freaking ID CARD to buy a freaking cleaning brush?!?!

Head west young man!


:fire:

The Grand Inquisitor
April 8, 2005, 08:01 PM
I know WalMart has occasional good deals, but besides the fact that every WalMart is a filthy, stinking, ?????-hole, Walmart is literally the evil empire. Next time you go to Walmart, think about every Mom and Pop's store that closed down because they couldn't compete.

Also, when you buy something from Walmart firearm related remember that not only are you not supporting your local (good) gunshop, but you are supporting a franchise that, when put pressure upon, will sell out their shooting sport customers (just like Kmart did).

Support your local gunshop.

jdseven1
April 8, 2005, 08:32 PM
Chipperman. This is a small town in southeastern Mass maybe pop 13,000 and low crime rate. Kamicosmos. I know this is not a State law only Wal Mart policy. This state is bad but not that bad yet.

model 649
April 8, 2005, 08:44 PM
Screw Mall-Wart and their B.S. "policies". Low prices are not worth putting up with their socialist nanny crap!
Josh

RUBZERK
April 8, 2005, 09:01 PM
I went to my local wal-mart to buy a box of 50 9mm bullets & the girl at the counter asked if I had I.D.

I went to pull it out as I looked at her & she didnt even look at it so I put it back in my wallet.

I guess I would have to say she didnt care how old I was. she just wanted to see if I had I.D.

308win
April 8, 2005, 09:06 PM
Walmart operates in their own bought and paid for environment at the federal, state, and local level. Anyone who shops at Walmart is an enabler and has no basis to complain. JMHO

RoyG
April 8, 2005, 09:35 PM
Question for all you WallyMart bashers.

Where do you buy your food? A mom and pop grocery? Or one of the many megamart corporations box stores?

Where do you buy your gas? A corner gas station? Or one of the big oil companies stop and robs?

Where did you buy your computer at? A local guy building them in a small store front trying to support a family? Or one of the electronic supermarts?

Where do you get your internet service from? A local ISP? Or one of the national high speed internet suppliers?

I think most of you are nothing but hypocrites and just enjoy bashing WallyMart. :cuss:

I try to get the most bang for my dollars. If that means I buy WWB ammo from WM I do. But I also buy things at the gun shops I can't buy at WM. My daughter has a small knife business she is running. The first thing they did was drop any product you could get at WM. That means you won't find any Gerbers in her store. She keeps catalogs of knifes out and lets everyone know she can special order anything in them.

To become successful you have to offer something the customer wants.

Standing Wolf
April 8, 2005, 09:54 PM
I think most of you are nothing but hypocrites and just enjoy bashing WallyMart.

Not me. It's my shopping destination of last choice: too much communist Chinese junk on the shelves, and the customer disservice is too depressing.

308win
April 8, 2005, 09:57 PM
I think most of you are nothing but hypocrites and just enjoy bashing WallyMart.

Get most of my groceries at an independent, same with gas, bought my last computer from Dell after bad experience with a local build to order, internet service from Earthlink since I know the level of service they guarantee.

I also know where Walmart gets and has always gotten the majority of their inventory; how they treat their empolyees - stories in the papers everyweek -; where they are making their millions in political donations; the level of service they offer - from the multitude of posts on this and other forums; I get my 9MM WW white box from a local dealer for $5.95/box.

I think you have your shorts in a knot because of your own actions not ours (or at least mine)

Justin
April 8, 2005, 10:07 PM
Any chance of this one getting back on topic any time soon?

RoyG
April 8, 2005, 10:22 PM
Sure.

I was buying finger nail clippers at a WM in SC a few months ago and had the clerk ask if I was over 18. Seems they now consider nail clippers in SC a weapon and you must be over 18 to purchase them

MICHAEL T
April 8, 2005, 10:37 PM
I am not a Wal Mart fan but I think a lot of this crap is from a local manager and if you call and filed a complaint 1-800-WALMART. Some of this stupid stuff might go away
Ive never been ask at Wall Mart for ID buyimg ammo or cleaning supplies. Nor have I ever been walked to door when buying ammo. On time I was ever questioned was when I took couple boxes to front check out. Manger wanted to know how I got ammo I told him couldn't find any one working in sporting so I reached over counter a got what I wanted. He checked me out. I found out later thay were all in break area. Call home office and start bitching just might do some good.

jefnvk
April 8, 2005, 10:40 PM
Where do you buy your food? A mom and pop grocery? Or one of the many megamart corporations box stores?

Where do you buy your gas? A corner gas station? Or one of the big oil companies stop and robs?

Where did you buy your computer at? A local guy building them in a small store front trying to support a family? Or one of the electronic supermarts?

Where do you get your internet service from? A local ISP? Or one of the national high speed internet suppliers?


Can't remember the last time I seen a mom and pop grocery store larger than a gas station.

Can't remember the last time I seen a gas station not connected to a nationwide chain.

I built my computer, thank you very much.

It's provided by the college for a fee, and our only option.

Now to bash Wal-Mart, all the things I have been carded for:
1) Fuel injector cleaner (yet, oddly enough, not fuel)
2) Ammo
3) Movies
4) Video Games
5) Glue
6) Pipe cleaners
7) Knives
8) Model Rocket Engines
9) Spraypaint
10) Carb cleaner (but not brake cleaner, or maybe the other way around)

Do I need continue?

Double Maduro
April 8, 2005, 11:09 PM
RoyG,

I try to get the most bang for my dollars.

I also try to get the most bang for my buck. Wally world spent $85,000,000,000 with the chinese last year. That is 85 billion bucks taken out of the American economy. That would fix a lot of problems we have here.

I was carded at a wally world years ago, when I was buying some .22lr. Asked to see the manager and handed it to him and said he could keep it, and I would spend my money elsewhere. Haven't spent a penny in one since.

DM

Andrew Rothman
April 9, 2005, 12:43 AM
I was carded at a wally world years ago, when I was buying some .22lr. Asked to see the manager and handed it to him and said he could keep it, and I would spend my money elsewhere. Haven't spent a penny in one since.

Gee, isn't there a law about not selling ammo to underage folks? Would you stalk out of a liquor store for getting carded?

:confused:

Double Maduro
April 9, 2005, 12:47 AM
Matt,

I was 40 and looked 50, my hair started turning gray when I was 19 and was more gray than black. But thanks.

By the way, I haven't been carded at a liquor store since I was 17.

lol

DM

thorn726
April 9, 2005, 01:01 AM
wal mart deserves the bashing.
i totally dont get people who have to chime in FOR these companies, as if.

the obvious= we all pay into big corps.

duh. it happens. there are lots of retail items better bought/sold thru large stores as they are produced in mass, etc.

but Wal mart? get rEAl.

walk in to a Target. look around. look at the employees.
go to wal mart and do the same.

there is a huge difference between corps that care and those that dont, and it trickles all the way up and down.
walmart doenst jsut put little mom and pops out , it puts juice compaines, toy makers, you name it, the cheap knockoff will dominate.

an easy example=
target workers have a robot to help push empty carts.
wal mart workers push.

on every 100, maybe target costs $5-10 more, the workers get paid more, the company puts $$$ back into community and economy in general by spending more on it's stores and equiptment

A local ISP? Or one of the national high speed internet suppliers?

and actually along with everything else, yeah, even that one, i usually pay my bill in person in cash.

but that is not the point= i mean mom and pop can't turn out a car, it goes on and on.

wal mart is Bent on being THE ONLY place to shop, for everything.
to make mad mad profits by turning screws on suppliers and workers.

Bob F.
April 9, 2005, 01:03 AM
Usually I can get WWB @ Sporting Goods counter (If anyone's there) and toss it in the basket of odds & ends and check out up front. The other day the butt head at SG said I had to check out there. Maybe he sensed I think he's a jerk.

Don't buy much there, and usually support my local gun shop. Groceries are a different matter: very little from WM, almost nothing from Kroger-higher prices and worse (believe it or not!!!) customer service! At least WM has customer service reps (not) accessible; I love telling them how lousy the service is, been known to leave a basket of groceries, and drive 20 miles to shop.

Justin
April 9, 2005, 01:15 AM
walk in to a Target. look around. look at the employees.
go to wal mart and do the same.

[contributing to thread drift]
ROFLMAO!

Been there, done that. A few years ago I did work at Target, and I can positively say that without a doubt, it was the most soul-suckingly godawful job I've ever had. People who act like there's some sort of big difference between how Wal-Mart and Target treat their employees crack me up. Now, I've not worked at Wal-Mart, but I've compared notes with some who have and quite frankly the only conclusion I can draw is that Target throws a lot more money at convincing you that they somehow care about their employees.

[/contributing to thread drift]

c_yeager
April 9, 2005, 01:20 AM
I can tell you from personal experience that "mom and pop" grocery stores treat their employees like garbage too. In fact I made more money, and recieved better benefits at a chain store simply because they are unionized.

Of course I would never work at WalMart myself because i can do better, by for those that can't they sure could use a job somewhere. They also hire a lot of developmentally challenged people who simply could not find work anywhere else. I don't know why people get so mad at Walmart, its just a company that does what ALL companies do, try to make money. They wouldnt be in business if people didnt shop there, and noone HAS to shop there. If you don't like the way Walmart does business then blame the customers, oddly enough most of the people complaining ARE their customers.

Considering the amount of liability they carry I wouldnt blame them a bit for checking FOID cards for anything gun related, they can sell supplies based on any criteria they choose, and its their problem if it costs them business.

peacefuljeffrey
April 9, 2005, 01:48 AM
The next time you go in to a Walmart and get that kind of hassle, explain calmly and politely that a cleaning brush is not a firearm and that purchase of it does not require showing your F.O.I.D. card. If they will not cooperate, don't make all of your purchases. Simply tell them that you are insulted by their invasive policy and will not be a party to giving them profit from sales.

It would help if you had a cart full of frozen and perishable items. I was told by a walmart manager in person that if anything frozen or perishable item gets as far as the front counter and then is not purchased, by law it must be thrown away!

Nothing obligates you to purchase the items you bring to the register. You don't own them until you've paid for them. They're walmart's property til then. You don't have to even let them know that you know they have to throw the stuff out. Play dumb. Draw attention to the fact that you have a lot of cold stuff that'll now have to be restocked because you will not give your money to a store whose policies insult and abuse your rights. That'll make clear to them the fact of how much stuff they're about to have to throw out and take a loss on.

-Jeffrey

peacefuljeffrey
April 9, 2005, 01:52 AM
I also try to get the most bang for my buck. Wally world spent $85,000,000,000 with the chinese last year. That is 85 billion bucks taken out of the American economy. That would fix a lot of problems we have here.

LMFAO!!!!!!
:p

As if that money would go to the American worker, and not the American CEO!!!!

Puhlease, dude. Don't kid yourself. If you think that money would do anything but sit in large lumps of many millions in the accounts and stock portfolios of the top of the top, you're way out of touch with corporate America.

-Jeffrey

crucible
April 9, 2005, 02:01 AM
Walmart isn't going away-period. Just isn't going to happen folks.

That said, I buy much of my ammo there, and feel just dandy in doing so as the more I (we) spend on ammo there, the more Walmart will surely want to continue to receive that money for said ammo, and the more they will ignore the anti's out there who don't want them to.

I try to buy American when possible-and WWB at Wally World fits that bill, well.

Cruc, who belives asking for ID for cleaning supplies is damn rediculous, Cruc

cosmonick
April 9, 2005, 02:02 AM
On Topic:

I have been carded for very little at Wal-Mart. As a matter of fact, I haven't been asked for ID, even for ammo, in quite a while.

Off Topic:

For the most part I avoid Wal-Mart as well as most big box retail stores. I try to buy as much as I can from local businesses. The only reason that stores like Wal-Mart exists is (obviously) because they get business. I would rather give my $ to people that live in my town. Do I spend more on many items? Sure. Do I still make some purchases at Wal-Mart ..... a very few, but yes.

I am a Land Surveyor who used to work for a Civil Engineering firm that catered to Wal-Mart (and other big box retailers). I have gone into a small town to survey for a new Wal-Mart. Then we would return several years later to survey for an addition. It was easy to spot the small stores that were no longer in business. In all fairness, Wal-Mart is not content in driving only small businesses out. Many of Wal-Marts that we did were right next door to or across the street from a K-Mart or Meijer. Though I never saw a Meijer close, I saw several K-Marts close shortly (within a couple years) after the Wal-Mart opened. This proved to be a nationwide trend. They are doing the same thing to Meijer, trying to build Wal-Mart Supercenters as near as possible to every Meijer in Michigan. They are trying to stop Meijers spread across the country by slowing their business in their home state. Now, I do understand the whole competetive business thing, I just think some people would be surprised to know just how agressively Wal-Mart goes after it's competition.

Look, we're only about 10 years out from Wal-Mart selling you your new car with a trunk load of groceries, while your wife gives birth to your child in birthing aisle #5 and your other two kids wait with your sister at your Wal-Mart built house in your Wal-Mart built subdivision :) Did I mention that the car was made by Wal-Mart?

I, for one, hate to see how difficult it has become in this country to have a small business and it is only getting more so. Big box retail has done a lot to hurt the small business and little/nothing to help it.

Mo

No4Mk1
April 9, 2005, 02:03 AM
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c_yeager
April 9, 2005, 02:52 AM
It would help if you had a cart full of frozen and perishable items. I was told by a walmart manager in person that if anything frozen or perishable item gets as far as the front counter and then is not purchased, by law it must be thrown away!

#1 they dont have to throw anything away unless it reaches above a certain temperature. And trust me, if it isnt dripping out the side of the cart its going back.

#2 Even if it got tossed guess who gets to pay for it. It isnt Walmart. All damaged goods are sent back to the distributer for a credit, this includes frozen food that has been thawed. It is the poor company that provided the frozen goods in the first place, that pays the price for this gag. With frozen food this is almost always an American company that you are screwing out of their profit, just something to bear in mind before you go overboard with your little trick to "stick it to Walmart". You are actually sticking it to one of the few American manufactures that sells goods via Walmart.

ocabj
April 9, 2005, 03:21 AM
My main problem with Walmart is the fact that they place quantity over quality. They're goal is to make a profit, but Walmart would rather make $10 by selling a volume of a cheaper version of a product than by selling one of a quality version of that same product. IE: If they could make $10 by selling one name brand DVD player for $100 or make $10 selling 20 brand X DVD players for $30, then they would chose to sell the brand X DVD players and not carry the name brand DVD player. While this may not sound so bad, it does drive Walmart's poor attitude towards American manufacturers.

From what I read, this happened to Schrade knives. Schrade signed a deal to make Walmart the exclusive dealer of Schrade knives. Later Walmart wanted to sell the product cheaper, but Schrade couldn't provide Walmart the knives at a low enough price, so Walmart dumped Schrade and went with some Chinese made knock offs that look like Schrade's product line. There were similar stories with Huffy and other manufacturers were Walmart strong armed the manufacturers into producing cheaper products (cutting costs during manufacturing) so Walmart would have low cost items to sell in their stores. If the manufacturers refused, they lost Walmart as an outlet.

This is why I try to avoid Walmart as much as possible. But this is a free country and you can shop where you want.

50 Freak
April 9, 2005, 03:58 AM
I avoid Walmart like the plague. I shop there maybe once a year if that. I hate the way they treat their employees. "made in american" my arse, yeah if you mean stamping the price tag on something makes it "made in america". No thank you. I'll pay a little extra to get american products.

Matthew748
April 9, 2005, 07:06 AM
Walmart has some weird policies, but I have never been hassled to the point of asking for the manager.

I buy stuff at Walmart once in a while. The biggest purchase I ever made there was a Marlin 45-70 guide gun for $420.00 plus tax. I did not feel bad bypassing the independent shop I usually go to that one time. In the past I have purchased quite a few expensive items from my local shop (DSA FAL, Springfield M1A, and numerous handguns), and did feel like paying them an extra $60.00 for an inoffensive, plain-jane lever action rifle.

lwsimon
April 9, 2005, 07:09 AM
I worked at Walmart the summer after my senior year. I was an unloader, my job was to pull boxes out fo the back of a semi and load them onto pallets, then to pull the pallets on the floor for the stockers. It is against company policy to wear steel-toe boots - can't figure that one out. I questioned this policy, and was told I would be fired if I came to work in steel-toe shoes. About a month or so after I started there, I was ordered to lift a 350# box of cheap furniture. I told them I could not do it alone, and again I was ordered to do it. I attempted it, and ended up dropping the box and crushing my big toe. I had to have my toe reset, and the toenail removed. I couldn't walk for about two weeks, and it is still painful to put pressure on my toe to this day. I went to file a medical claim thru Walmart's workman's comp once I could leave the house again, and was met at the back of the store by security. I was led out of the store, was not allowed to file my paperwork for the comp claim, and was told I had been fired. I called Walmart, got it "straightened out", and was told to go back in and file my paperwork. I got there, and I was told I had "waited too long", as that was the 31st day, and you only have 30 days to file a claim after an injury.

In other words, I was fired for no real reason to avoid a compensation claim, I have a termination on my employment history, and I got stuck with $2,000 in medical bills. What a wonderful way to start adulthood.

hksw
April 9, 2005, 08:29 AM
[Personally, I'm quite happy with Wal*Mart.]


I can't seem to understand some of the anti-WM folks here. Much 'talk' is said that they hate WM so much that they avoid WM......but still go there on rare occassions or it is still on there list of destinations. Yet this isn't considered hypocracy. What's up with that?

Rob62
April 9, 2005, 10:42 AM
Something that my local Wal Mart apparently just started doing is making all customers who purchase ammunition show their drivers license.

I bought 3 boxes of 12ga slugs earlier this morning and the counter person asked to see my drivers license. Something that has never happened before. When I questioned him about this, he said that management told him he had to do it for ALL ammunition sales and that (incorrectly) it was the law.

I don't like it but at $5.97 per box of 15 slugs I'll put up with the hassle. And yeah I love those bulk 550rd boxes of .22RF at less than $9.

Regards,

Rob

jsalcedo
April 9, 2005, 12:37 PM
I shop at Walmart because my money is valuable to me.

I support the local gunshop by taking my guns to get repaired BUT I do not buy their $9 (small) bottle of Hoppes or their $18 box of PMC 32acp

The fact that the little guys can't compete is not my problem.

What about the little Habib marts where first generation immigrants sacrifice everything and start a shop with competative prices and end up with a whole chain of gas stations within 3 years?

I'm thinking that we as Americans are getting sloppy, defeatist and lacking of ambition, originality, and discipline it takes to make it as entreprenuers.

I make it a point to support the little guys that show me they are worth
doing business with and shop at the mega-marts for everything else.

TallPine
April 9, 2005, 01:21 PM
The 2 Mall-warts in Billings are like different planets ...

The older King Ave store seems friendly and almost like a small town store though it is huge. When buying ammo and the handgun/rifle thing pops up on the register, the clerks usually just rolls hers eyes and goes on without asking me. Though I am obviously over 21 ;)

The newer "Heights" store is impossible. The "associates" there act like anyone who comes in to shop is just in their way and "would you please stop buying things because now we have to restock the shelves" :rolleyes:

I'm convinced that the difference is management. Your workers will pretty much treat customers the way that you treat your workers.

The same way with independent stores: some just make you feel welcome and valued and others make you feel like you are walking into a DV situation :uhoh:


Oh BTW, I've noticed that smaller stores located around the fringe of a Walmart seem to do pretty well. The Walmart draws traffic to the area and all the merchants benefit.

I basically don't buy any gun stuff at Walmart except the bulk pack 22 LR ammo.

fjolnirsson
April 9, 2005, 01:28 PM
I'll just stay on topic with this one. I won't post about the evils of wal-mart, and capitalism and a free market in particular. Wal-mart is evil, eh, komrades!?

Anyway, I've been to seven Walmarts in two states and have never been carded for any of my purchases.

LiquidTension
April 9, 2005, 01:38 PM
I've only been carded for ammo and alochol at WM.

I avoid that place as much as I can. It has nothing to do with their business practices (I am a POOR college student - I go wherever has the best price and still live below the poverty line). It has everything to do with the rest of the customers and the number of them. Have you BEEN to a WM recently? There are some SCARY people in there. And LOTS of them. If I must go, it's usually during the day on a weekday so I can avoid the freaky freakies.

LiquidTension
April 9, 2005, 01:42 PM
Oh yeah, and as far as hurting local gun shops by buying at WM - if they wouldn't gouge the customer, I would shop there. I know exactly what dealer cost is on ammo and other items. If they wouldn't mark stuff up by 50-70%, I'd consider buying from them. Competition is the basis for capitalism, and shops that try to charge $15 for a box of .45 reloads are just not bothering to compete. I can order better stuff for much less off the internet, there's NOTHING stopping small shops from doing the same and offering a better price. I'd pay more to be able to go into a shop and buy ammo on the spot instead of ordering it, but I'm not paying double - that's just stupid.

Otherguy Overby
April 9, 2005, 01:54 PM
I travel a lot, mostly via an RV and pull a trailer. Most Walmarts have a big enough parking lot and easy access for a loooong vehicle to get in and out. You can usually overnight in one if needed, too.

Most all Walmarts also take my checks. Ironically, the most trouble I ever had with a check in a Walmart was in one about 8 blocks from my SoCal house on a local to them bank.

Sure I don't agree with some of their actions, but they are more gun friendly than Kmart, based I dunno where, or Target, based in Minneapolis, another lair for liberals... I've not seen any Walmarts postsed against CCW, though I hear there are a few.

motoman
April 9, 2005, 02:26 PM
Why I shop at Walmart:

1) No Ammo at Target
2) No cleaning supplies at Target
3) No Gun magazines at Target (Guns and Ammo, Shotgun News)
4) Target has a pathetic automotive section
5) Although I have never bought a gun at Walmart, they do sell them
6) Walmart sells all the same household items as Target (Toilet Paper, Shampoo, Soap, Toothpaste etc...) for a better price!
7) My Walmart is open 24/7, Target closes at 10pm.
8) 1 stop shopping for me, my local gun store (not so local) doesn't sell all the stuff I need on a weekly basis. Not to mention "local gun store" needs a serious reality check on their prices.


What do Target or Kmart have to offer us gun owners?

DarkKnight01
April 9, 2005, 02:35 PM
Well IMO Wal-Mart isnt the worst place you can shop at, I know first hand that their customer service is good if you raise enough hell theyll let you return anything. I worked at one for a while. Ive seen people return things that we didnt even carry,(they bought it at Target and they wouldnt let them return it there, the tag was torn off on one particular item, and it wasnt wal-marts tag color there was a bit left from the glue) but after they complained long enough to management they give them what they want. See their service policy is that its better to lose a few dollars on an item or 2 than to lose the 5 grand or so that customer spends at their store every year.

I go there for odds and ends, and of course WWB.

pax
April 9, 2005, 02:43 PM
Gun-related whining about WalMart is on topic.

So if your rant, opinion, defense, complaint, explanation, diatribe, or jeremiad about WalMart also just happens to be gun-related, go ahead and post it here.

If your rant, opinion, defense, complaint, explanation, diatribe, or jeremiad about WalMart is not gun-related, it does not belong on this thread or in this forum. Please don't post it here, or we'll have to close the thread for too little gun-related content.

Thanks,

pax

stevekl
April 9, 2005, 06:27 PM
Wait, you're not yet eighteen years old and you're married?

So I guess this means Massachusettes is part of the south now.

308win
April 9, 2005, 06:39 PM
[on topic] I have never been asked for an ID when buying ammunition at WalMart because I have NEVER been in/bought anything at WalMart. :fire: [/on topic]

[off topic] I will do without before I spend a thin dime with that Taliban garbage outfit![/off topic] :cuss:

Bill2k1
April 9, 2005, 07:04 PM
I've never had a problem at wal-mart with buying ammo, they ask for ID because state law limits purchases to 21+ of ammo. I've have had trouble telling the person which box to get mainly due to the fact that they don't know what I am talking about, but that is the same anywhere you go.

jdseven1
April 9, 2005, 07:26 PM
Sorry I caused all this over a $1.49 cleaning mop also me and my wife are way over 18 so the state of Massachusettes is still part of the North.

Too Many Choices!?
April 9, 2005, 07:50 PM
Then I wouldn't be a Walmart Winchester junkie and I could shoot more:cuss: !!!!

Harry Paget Flashman
April 9, 2005, 08:09 PM
A friend of mine works in the gun section of the local Wal-Mart. He gave me a heads up on the California Wal-Marts moving their guns out due to some FFL paperwork irregularities. He said California Wal-Marts don't sell guns now. (┬┐Can anyone confirm this?) Florida got a shipment and I got a Charles Daly 20ga pump for $100 and a Winchester 1300 for $130. I missed by 15 minutes getting two Weatherby rifles and a Remington 1100 at half price.

I shop where the service is good and the prices are right.

Malone LaVeigh
April 9, 2005, 10:46 PM
And yeah I love those bulk 550rd boxes of .22RF at less than $9. You say that like it's a good price. I do better waiting for sales at Big 5 and at gun shows. In fact, I find that if I shop around a little, I can almost always get a better price than at Walmart.

wasrjoe
April 9, 2005, 11:25 PM
I used to buy ammo at Wal-Mart, when gunshow stockpiles would run out. No good gunshops in my area. (The one gunshop had worse customer service than Wal-Mart, by far. Which says a LOT.) Now that a Sportsman's Warehouse has opened, I do absolutely no shopping at Wal-Mart.

larryw
April 9, 2005, 11:44 PM
Hey, feel free to wait. I'll buy ammo whenever I want and from whomever I wish (like Wal Mart): That's the beauty of capitalism and free thinking.

Missourigunner
April 9, 2005, 11:47 PM
Go Figure! I live about 10 Mile from Jefferson City, MO, they have a Super Wal-Mart, 20 Miles from Jefferson City, is Fulton, MO, they have a Super Wal-Mart, Mexico, MO about 22 Miles from Fulton has a Super Wal-Mart, Columbia Mo, 30+ Miles from Jefferson City, has 2 Super Wal-marts, Moberly, MO near Columbia has a Super Wal-MartSo within a say 50 mile radius, we have 6 Super Wal-Marts. There are no Mom and Pops, Grocery stores except big box stores, No Independent Gas stations, You have no choice except to shop at Walrus World. :fire: :fire: I am 61 Years old and I have been carded for Ammo on a number of occassions and I have been asked on one occassion regarding the Shotgun shells that I was purchasing, the Clerk asked me "Sir are those for a handgun." When I buy ammo at my local gun shop, I am not carded and the ammo is decently priced so I don't buy ammo from Wal-Mart.

comacho
April 9, 2005, 11:48 PM
RoyG,
Many of us are not willing to sell our country or ourselves out for the "Best and cheapest price" as you seem to be.

WalMart has been the most instrumental retail outlet in the U.S., in destroying our manufacturing base, by importing cheap chinese products, made with cheap chinese labor.

Worship the dollar if you will RoyG. It will come home to haunt you.

comacho

Kevlarman
April 10, 2005, 12:01 AM
It is against company policy to wear steel-toe boots

Would they have cared if you wore thos newfangled composite toe boots? :banghead:

4D5
April 10, 2005, 12:40 AM
I shop WW occasionally and do by ammo, partly because I get to screw with them some. When buying metallic ammo you always get the stupid question is if for a handgun or rifle. I always reply it's for shotgun. They get a puzzled look, stare at the register then ask again and I reply it's for shotgun, they get that blank stare again and then just pick something.

The other stupid part is you have to pay for ammo immediately or be escorted to a register where you are going to check out, you can't ride it around in your cart while finishing shopping. So in order to defeat the stupid checkout thing, I go directly to sporting goods first, buy ammo with cash then ride it around the cart the entire rest of the shopping trip, then when I check out I write check for extra cash to cover paying cash for the ammo and they don't any info from my check and related purchasing of ammo.

Stevie-Ray
April 10, 2005, 12:40 AM
True story. I went into my local Wally world to buy some ammo. Not even a particularly good price. Anyways, nobody would wait on me. Even after paging 3 times and 20 minutes, nothing. PO'd plenty now, I finally caught the attention of some guy that had to get the key from somebody else. He explained to me that most employees with the key don't want to touch anything to do with guns. I explained to him that, "They damned well better look for a job in a place that doesn't sell guns, then!" He agreed.

c_yeager
April 10, 2005, 03:31 AM
In fact, I find that if I shop around a little, I can almost always get a better price than at Walmart.

Thats true, but at Walmart we are talking about the regular everyday price. yes, if i shop around I can probably find nice brass cased, boxer primed .38spec for $7.50 a box* but at Walmart I can get that price when im driving to the range on a whim any day of the week.

*I actually probably CANT find this particular ammo any cheaper without resorting to reloads, but you get the point.

RoyG
April 10, 2005, 08:03 AM
comacho,

For the most part we are taking ammo here. WWB. Last time I checked it's ALL made in the US. How come no one slams Wolf ammo? NOT made in the US and also not sold at WM. Also the employees working at the sporting goods counter are all American. Locals also. That means they are getting paid and spending their checks here locally also.

Also all the guns that WM sales are all made in the same factory as all the guns you buy anywhere else. So that means the Marlin I buy there was built by Americans in a American factory, paid in American dollars.

trapperjohn
April 10, 2005, 08:39 AM
The other stupid part is you have to pay for ammo immediately or be escorted to a register where you are going to check out, you can't ride it around in your cart while finishing shopping.

.most of the walmarts I go to let me pick up the ammo, put it in my cart ,then finsish shopping. I then pay for the ammo with the rest of my stuff at the front checkout.
whether or not you can do that is up to local store managers and local laws. Corporate walmart has nopolicy on this.

Morty76
April 10, 2005, 11:04 AM
I was looking for a Winchester 94 Ranger at the beginning of the year; I went to the local gun shops to compare prices. Walmart's price was $264. The first gun shop carries Marlin's the second gun shop said they would be happy to order it for me and the price would be a little over $500. I'm all for giving the local guy my business, but come on pay twice as much for a crappy base model, no frills, hardwood stocked lever action?

I'll buy a box or 2 of ammo at Walmart, their prices are ok. I mail order my ammo most of the time.

One range/gun shop I shoot at has decent ammo prices and I'll buy from them if I want to shoot after my personal ammo runs out. But at the other range, I leave when I run out... pay $13 for a box of crappy .38 spl wadcutter reloads? right. :barf: ...I have purchased pistols from both stores and will continue to do so.

TallPine
April 10, 2005, 11:54 AM
Never had an issue with buying 22 bulk ammo at Mall-wart ... it's right out on the shelf and just pickup up several boxes and throw it in the cart and pay for it up front.

I wonder how many boxes of 550 I could buy at one time without raising eyebrows ...? :D

MountainPeak
April 10, 2005, 11:55 AM
I keep seeing these posts about the short comings of Walmart. I shop at several different ones. I have never had a problem with them.

Hardware
April 10, 2005, 12:04 PM
When I used to live in MA I was in a gun store with a friend and I tried to purchase a box of 9mm. At the time I didn't have a license to carry. They refused to sell me the ammo on the basis that 9mm is a pistol caliber and if I didn't have a permit to carry I shouldn't have a pistol. I pointed out that;

A)Marlin made a semi-auto carbine in 9mm and .45acp, Rossi made a saddle ring carine in .357.
B)You can own a pistol in MA, if you moved into state with it from another state or it was handed down to you due to death and had never left the property where it was stored.

It was a waste of breath. I walked out of there and never went back.

BJPARKER
April 10, 2005, 12:54 PM
I do not go to WallyWorld anymore for all the above reasons. The one deciding moment was one Saturday evening, picked up some groceries, then remembered I needed some Whitebox 45's for target practice with friends on Sunday. Nobody at the sporting goods counter, so I asked a lady in the paint section to call for the sporting goods person. She says "what do you want, maybe I can get it". When I replied, she abruptly asked me "what are you gonna do...kill someone?" I pulled my cart to the side and walked out. I sent the manager a letter telling him that I will not shop at a store where I am treated rudely, just because I enjoy the shooting sports.

Old Dog
April 10, 2005, 05:47 PM
Apparently, we have a problem in the NorthWest that I'll have to speak to the national corporate headquarters about... sadly, many of our Wal-Marts up here have people working in sporting goods who -- are you ready for this? -- actually own guns (and know a little about 'em), hunt and fish. Never got stupid questions when buying ammo at Wal-Mart, always get friendly service and have even (gasp) bought a firearm at a Wal-Mart.

Seriously, people who do all the talking about buying only American need to study up on the current state of the global economy. Anyway, as far as taking business away from the small businessman, I disagree. There will always be a place in this country's economy for the savvy small businessman (or woman). There is always a strategy out there to use to compete against the big-box stores. And the big-box stores aren't going away any time soon. Don't want any Wal-Marts in your county? Get involved in local politics. Don't like Wal-Mart? Don't shop there.

All these silly Wal-Mart threads are really, really getting tiresome, and nothing new is getting said.

jdseven1
April 10, 2005, 06:35 PM
Hardware. Dont move back you now need an F.I.D to buy any ammo handgun or rifle.

Harry Paget Flashman
April 10, 2005, 08:05 PM
My dealings with the people at out local Wal-Mart Superstore have been positive. In the past 10 years I bought a Ruger Mini-14 & 10/22, a Henry lever .22, a Savage bolt .22 and two 20ga shotguns from three different clerks. They were all hunters and knew guns. Most importantly, they all made the appropriate "Oo-o-o's" and "Ahh-h-h's" on my purchases. Now, that has got to count for something.

When I bought the shotguns I gun several boxes of 12ga off the shelf to take home and use with my new shotguns. The clerk asked in a very friendly manner if I also wanted to buy some 20ga too. Nice save on his part.

Only 'problem' I've had is with the younger clerks who don't know their product. Instead of asking for a box of .357 or .45 I point to what I want and guide them to it..."No. Up one shelf...no..left...no...the red and white box... just left...yes, that one...thank you." Win-win.

38SnubFan
April 10, 2005, 11:41 PM
I can't say that I've really had ANY bad dealings with Wal-Mart regarding purchases of ammo and cleaning supplies for my guns. Only once, when purchasing ammo, was I asked to produce my Driver's License. Didn't bother me at all, I just showed it to her, she entered my age, and I was on my way.

I'm suprised to see that so many people have either had these bad experiences with WM (e.g. being walked to the door directly after purchasing ammo) or take such offense to being asked to produce credentials to secure a purchase (Driver's License, FOID, etc.)

Many of these people aren't always familiar with what's needed and what's not needed to complete these transactions. They're sales associates and cashiers; not legal experts.

Of course, Wal-Mart isn't always the cheapest around here for ammo. I usually hit Gander Mountain when I'm over that way, both based on better price and selection.

I also read and replied to a thread on here recently bashing Dick's Sporting Goods. Never had any problems there either. The sales assoicates were professional, knowledgeable, and courteous there; as well, they had a sale on Remington UMC for my .45 at $9.99/50, which around here is a pretty good deal.

YMMW.

-38SnubFan

No_Brakes23
April 11, 2005, 12:11 AM
Next time you go to Walmart, think about every Mom and Pop's store that closed down because they couldn't compete.

Too bad I can't get Winny WhiteBox at the "local gunstore" So what now? I hate wallyworld too, I think it is a total nexus of stupidity. I didn't shop at one for a long time because of their biased music policy, (Only censored CDs, but movies can have all the cussing they want...) But sometimes they have the better deal. In this case, I can't get WWB at the local gun store or the "big chain" gun store, only at WalMart.

Eventually I will just buy it online, but for now, mom & pop don't get my dollar if they want to stock crap ammo.

Oh I love it when someone in a Dodge/Chrylser talks about buying American. The "Buy American" people look real stupid driving their German owned, made in Canada or Mexico, "American" cars. My "Japanese" Mazda was made in Flat Rock Michigan, and it has a Ford engine in it. And Ford essentially owns Mazda. Truly American cars are a rarity these days, and most of them suck.

Pointman
April 11, 2005, 12:29 AM
Haven't been ID'd for ammo or gun stuff (never bought a gun from Wally World) but I have been ID'd for carb cleaner.

But.. on Saturday one of my people (19 years old) stopped into Wally World to pickup some .45ACP ammo. The clerk asked him what it was for to which the kid replied "Marlin Camp Carbine".

The clerk said "rifles only come in .45 Colt" and refused to sell the ammo to him. :rolleyes:

Tharg
April 11, 2005, 03:06 AM
Bah - can't even get through this whole thread....

I love the "support yer local blah blah"

walmart IS your local blah blah...along w/ target... and kmart and albertsons and best buy and whatever OTHER chain you wanna talk about... i don't hear anyone griping about mickey D's and saying how thier crappy fat laden meat is taking over the world and WE ARE LETTING IT HAPPEN OMG! (heh - btw... all those employee's that are getting so mistreated can quit... i've known those who worked for wally world AND those that quit... the job is soemthing YOU DON"T KNOW UNLESS YOU )(*&(^(*&^()* WORKED THERE... )

Easy to say from yer comfy XXXX dollars you make that might require a skill... and i'm guessing don't have to budget to heavily since wally world is pretty much as cheap as you can get it... (not always... but pretty dang close) vs. having the opportunity to be able to be aristocratic about where you spend your money and get "the bits you want" vs. the bits you need. Must be nice to have more cash to be able to be selective about your needs.

rofl

Roy's post actually made a point - sell something wally world DOESN"T... duh... business sense? maybe? hmmmm? bleh... who would think to think OUTSIDE the "cheap as you can get" box.... Mom and Pop spots are NOT based on price ... they are based on personality and not on product... there are places like that ... that i will go to so long as they are open... for things other than my everyday needs. Mom and Pop expected thier kids to move out...

J/Tharg!

c_yeager
April 11, 2005, 01:30 PM
By the way, buying items online is the single worst thing you can do for your local economy. Not only are you providing money to an operation that requires less than half the manpower to run, you are helping to deprive your locality of a fortune in business and property taxes, not to mention any state income tax that you arent paying. Furthermore out of state companies arent providing ANY jobs in your area at all. The purchase of bulk quantities of ammo online hurts your local shop a LOT more than Walmart does.

BJPARKER
April 11, 2005, 03:05 PM
I think the bottom line for local economy is customer service. It was mentioned that Walmart is part of the local economy. I have noticed a steady decline in my town in customer service as a function of doing business. Yes, my experience has recently been negative with Walmart, but it has recently also been negative with other businesses. Whether this thread is offensive to some or not, my buying strategies depend not only on price, but on customer service, and I read these kinds of threads to learn about trends and patterns that may affect my decision to buy. I will buy online if I'm treated respectfully, the price is right and the company stands behind its products. And I've been doing more of that lately.

No_Brakes23
April 11, 2005, 03:26 PM
The purchase of bulk quantities of ammo online hurts your local shop a LOT more than Walmart does.
So, since the local stores don't carry my ammo, we are back to the point that I have to buy ammo I don't want or "hurt the local economy?" What if I reload? That must be really selfish, cause then no one gets that money (other than the initial investment.)

atblis
April 11, 2005, 05:05 PM
I wish to god they'd open a Gander Mt near me. I'll go for months without shooting a certain gun because I won't pay the outrageous prices at the local gun shops, and Walmart isn't an option.

Justin
April 11, 2005, 08:19 PM
This one went OT a long time ago. If you really, really want to, feel free to fire up a Wal-Mart debate thread on APS.

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