(Canada) Wife upset after shop owner charged in defense shooting


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Drizzt
March 13, 2003, 05:31 PM
Edmonton Sun (Canada)


March 12, 2003 Wednesday, Final Edition

SECTION: News; Pg. 7

LENGTH: 444 words

HEADLINE: 'WE ARE NOT THE BAD MEN';
WIFE UPSET AFTER SHOP OWNER CHARGED OVER SHOOTING DURING BREAK-IN

BYLINE: DOUG BEAZLEY, EDMONTON SUN

BODY:
The wife of a city shopkeeper was pleading yesterday for the public's help with legal fees after her husband was charged in connection with a shooting at his south-side electronics store.

"We are not the bad men. We are not rich," said a weeping Betsy King, 43, wife of 45-year-old Shand King. "(Shand) doesn't think he did anything wrong. These guys were attacking our property, and this happened to us over and over. Normal people would have taken the same action."

Yesterday, city cops charged Shand King with causing bodily harm with intent, aggravated assault, possession of a firearm knowing the firearm is "unauthorized" and using a firearm during the commission of an offence. He appears in court April 9.

At least one person was wounded in early morning gunplay Sunday at King's shop, Audio 5.1. Police say would-be thieves rammed a stolen Chevy Blazer tail-first through the front of the shop around 4 a.m.

Two of the culprits were trying to pry a $20,000 plasma TV from a wall when a shot rang out inside the building. More shots were fired as the crooks fled in a waiting car, leaving the Blazer behind.

A 28-year-old man was later treated in hospital for non-life-threatening injuries. Police say he may be charged.

Cops have not identified any other suspects.

Audio 5.1 was closed yesterday but two notices were taped to the shattered front of the shop, pleading with the media to "please leave me alone ... I lose so much already."

A third notice, taped to the back of the shop, warned that the building is under 24-hour video surveillance and "if you steal from me, I will spend all my time to kill you!"

Police searched the shop Monday night and found a .38-calibre revolver they believe was used in the shooting.

"We don't know where the gun came from," said cop spokesman Annette Bidniak. "It doesn't appear to be registered anywhere."

Betsy King said the store has been robbed four or five times in the four short years it's been at its current location, 10326 63 Ave.

"(Shand) is a hard-working guy, he works seven days a week. He works late. Sometimes he stays at the store all night.

"We are insured, but we work so hard, and these people just steal from us."

Out in the retail community, opinions on the issue were divided. Some store managers supported the idea of defending property with force.

"If someone broke into my home, I'd want to take a shot at them," said Mike Hamilton, manager of Certified Radio.

Others suggested using a gun to foil a break-in was overkill.

"You have insurance, you have an alarm system ... I can't agree with shooting people," said Chris Vendel of International Stereo.

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Drizzt
March 13, 2003, 05:36 PM
Edmonton Sun (Canada)


March 13, 2003 Thursday, Final Edition

SECTION: News; Pg. 20

LENGTH: 334 words

HEADLINE: FUND FOR SHOP OWNER FACING CHARGES

BODY:
A notorious gun lobby activist is going to bat for an Edmonton shopkeeper facing criminal charges in connection with a weekend shooting.

"From what I hear, he wasn't doing anything but trying to protect himself," said Jim Turnbull, president of the Canadian Unregistered Firearms Owners' Association.

"The only mistake he made was not hitting that guy in the guts or the nuts." Shand King, 45, faces four charges in connection with a shooting early Sunday morning during a break and enter at his south-side electronics store, Audio 5.1.

Crooks crashed a stolen SUV tail-first through the front of the shop around 4 a.m. and commenced looting, said police.

They fled when someone started shooting at them from inside the store.

On Tuesday, King's wife Betsy pleaded for the public's help in covering their legal fees, and insisted her husband believes he did nothing wrong.

"We are not the bad men. We are not rich," she said, sobbing. "These guys were attacking our property."

Betsy King said Sunday's incident was at least the fourth time someone had broken into the shop.

Turnbull started a fund with Alberta Treasury Branches as a private citizen, to support what he called King's right to defend himself and his property. "The federal government has used the Criminal Code to take away our right to protect ourselves. It'd be nice to tell the cops in advance when someone's going to rob you, but that's not really practical."
King declined comment yesterday.
"You've said enough about us already," he said.

Police said yesterday they had not laid charges against their one identified suspect in the break-in, a 28-year-old man who was treated in hospital for a non-life-threatening gunshot wound.

Turnbull, 70, made headlines recently by being arrested for carrying part of a firearm during a Jan. 1 protest against the gun registry on Parliament Hill.

He said anyone who wishes to contribute to King's defence can contact the ATB branch in Westlock at 780-349-8672.

Boats
March 13, 2003, 05:59 PM
Perhaps we should consider donating. The US dollar is still a good exchange up in Canada. I am thinking of donating $10 for legal defense and $10 for a shooting course for Mr. King. He needs better shooting skills.:evil:

Blackhawk
March 13, 2003, 07:15 PM
Sounds way too much like Britain. :what:

There's a big difference between having an unregistered gun and using a gun for protection.

Surely, the Canadians haven't made it illegal to use an unregistered gun for a legal purpose.

Max they should be able to tag Shand with is having an unregistered gun.

El Tejon
March 13, 2003, 08:03 PM
But, but, I've read on the Internet that this doesn't happen.:rolleyes:

HABU
March 13, 2003, 09:12 PM
"The only mistake he made was not hitting that guy in the guts or the nuts." Well, at least someone isn't soft on crime up there!:what: :evil:

Standing Wolf
March 13, 2003, 10:03 PM
<sarcasm> If Canada had a good firearms licensing system, this never would have happened. </sarcasm>

SDC
March 13, 2003, 10:38 PM
You guys don't realize exactly HOW f***ed up it is up here; even if he had used a legally-owned, legally-registered gun to do this, he'd still be in deep kimchi. The politicians have made it clear that it is NOT ACCEPTABLE to use a gun in self-defence in Canada, and even less acceptable to use one in defence of mere property. In other words, if you come home and find someone raping your wife and/or kids, call 911, and while you're waiting for the police to dig out of a snow drift, say "Can I get you a condom while we're waiting?" The best he can hope for under our "justice" system is for a judge that has some common sense, and wasn't appointed by the Liberals.

Double Naught Spy
March 14, 2003, 12:03 AM
From what is described in the article, it was not a defense shooting. It was a shooting to protect property. I don't know if Canadian laws permit that or not.

As described, he basically opened fire on the burglars as they tried to steal. Until shooting, they apparently did not even know he was there. While the burglars posed a potential threat to him, no aggressive moves were made on the owner before he started shooting, hence why it is hard to call it a self defense shooting. When he fired, it was a defense of property shooting.

To make matters worse, he used a gun that apparently he should not have had according to their laws.

So, I don't know why he or his wife are surprised by the arrest. She herself noted that her husband shot because the property was being attacked, NOT that he was being attacked.

Did you note the logic fallacy in Turnbull's statement? Other than the shooting not being one of self defense, he said, "The federal government has used the Criminal Code to take away our right to protect ourselves." This is an untrue statement. The Canadian government has not taken away the right to self defense, only to use a gun in self defense.

WonderNine
March 14, 2003, 01:28 AM
A 28-year-old man was later treated in hospital for non-life-threatening injuries. Police say he may be charged.

LoL!

Police searched the shop Monday night and found a .38-calibre revolver they believe was used in the shooting.

"We don't know where the gun came from," said cop spokesman Annette Bidniak.

LoL!!!

Boats
March 14, 2003, 07:40 AM
Screw these modern "sensibilities." If some BGs crash a vehicle into an occupied building in the wee hours of the morning to loot it, their lives should be forfeit if the occupant takes them out. I understand that may be the way the matter would be handled in Texas. . . .:D

Critical J
October 19, 2010, 12:52 PM
two undeniable facts to take note from in this story:
* Canada does not care for the physical well being of it's citizens or their personal assets
* Canada is encouraging more illegal activities from it's othereise law-abiding citizens who, as any other rational person would agree, will not settle for a hit-and-miss self-defense policy when it comes to dealing with their own lives and livelyhoods, by just "hoping nothing bad happens to them throughout their entire lives" in a dang dangerous place like Canada

rbernie
October 19, 2010, 03:32 PM
So you dragged up a seven year old thread just to bag on Canadian self-defense laws?

<sigh>

Closed.

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