(WI) Woman warned grandson about robbery before he died while robbing


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Drizzt
April 9, 2005, 03:45 AM
Woman warned grandson about robbery before he died while robbing

State Wire
April 5, 2005 0405BC-WI--FATALROBB

RACINE, Wis. (AP) - The grandmother of a 20-year-old man who was shot and killed by a man he was trying to rob said she's not mad at the man who shot him.

"My grandson knows what he did was wrong," said Elizabeth Lockridge-Lewis, who raised Kendell L. Moss, 20. "I do not up and hold with no wrongdoing. I try to raise my kids up to do nobody no harm. I try to be mad at that man, but I can't. "

She said she told her grandchildren Saturday about the dangers of stealing.

"I talked to all of them that night about how people do to people that steal something," she said. "They kill you."

Less than 12 hours later, Moss, her oldest grandson, was dead and four of her teenage grandsons were in custody in Milwaukee.

The five took her van early Sunday morning, she said.

Moss had asked to take it earlier, but she refused. She thinks they may have peeled the steering column.

Milwaukee Police Department spokeswoman Anne E. Schwartz said the cousins drove the van to Milwaukee, where they attempted to steal a second car at a gas station.

Schwartz said the group approached a 64-year-old man from Yorktown, Ark., at about 6 a.m. Sunday.

One of them had a gun and they demanded the man turn over his van and money.

The man refused, Schwartz said, and Moss and his cousins began punching him. The boys then took the man's walking cane and beat him with that, Schwartz said.

At that point the man took out a gun and shot Moss, Schwartz said.

Lockridge-Lewis and Moss' father, Darron Moss, said the incident was out of character for the young man.

"I feel that the guy had options," Darron Moss said. "He could have shot in the air or screamed and scared them. You can replace things stolen, but not a life."

Police still had the four teenagers in custody, Moss' family said Monday. Police would not release their names because they are juveniles. The Arkansas man was arrested.

The Milwaukee County district attorney's office was reviewing the case

http://www.startribune.com/stories/568/5330151.html

Grandma's got some sense, but the boy's father sure as heck doesn't.... These kids are beating an old man with his cane, and Poppa says the man should have "screamed and scared them"? I'll try to chalk it up to shock on the father's part, but I know that's probably not it.

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longspurr
April 9, 2005, 05:21 AM
"The man refused, Schwartz said, and Moss and his cousins began punching him. The boys then took the man's walking cane and beat him with that, Schwartz said.

At that point the man took out a gun and shot Moss, Schwartz said.

Police still had the four teenagers in custody, Moss' family said Monday. Police would not release their names because they are juveniles. The Arkansas man was arrested. "

First you get beaten by 5 people, then the police get there and finish the Mugging!!!!!!!!

The poor guy should be given a medal for helping clean the gene pool instead of a court date!!!!!!

It is no wonder that crime continues when the political system works to hold people helpless so the criminal doesn't get hurt.

71Commander
April 9, 2005, 05:26 AM
First you get beaten by 5 people

All blood relatives as well. What kind of family is this? :confused:

BryanP
April 9, 2005, 05:35 AM
What kind of family is this?

One whose average IQ just improved. Now if only he'd got the other 4 ...

lwsimon
April 9, 2005, 06:47 AM
Someone wanna dig up the old guy's identity for me? I'm in AR, I want to at least drop by and give him a pat on the back and make sure he's okay. PM me if you find out! :)

RoyG
April 9, 2005, 07:00 AM
The Arkansas man was arrested.

Check the jail in Racine, WI.

c_yeager
April 9, 2005, 07:10 AM
Police still had the four teenagers in custody, Moss' family said Monday. Police would not release their names because they are juveniles. The Arkansas man was arrested.

What the hell?!? A 64 year old man gets beaten by his 5 guys, one which is armed with a pistol, and HE GOES TO JAIL for shooting ONE OF THEM? He shoulda reloaded and given them one each in the kneecap of their choice.

Tman
April 9, 2005, 08:31 AM
Perhaps the 64 year old man from arkansas was arrested for carrying a concealed weapon (does WI have reciprocity with arkansas - assuming he had a CCW license). :confused:

lwsimon
April 9, 2005, 08:50 AM
AR permits are NOT honored by WI. I always thought there was something called "extenuating circumstances", that meant if you had to use a weapon in self-defense, you couldn't be charge for simply possessing it there. I've never counted on it, as I've not seen it written, but several people around the range have spoken about it.

Gabby Hayes
April 9, 2005, 08:57 AM
No concealed carry in Wisconsin last I heard. This guy is toast. He may as well be in North Korea. :mad:

warriorsociologist
April 9, 2005, 09:01 AM
^ unfortunatly, that's what I understand to be the case too. I have a GA permit and many in-laws in WI. I don't carry on my person when I visit.

rdbrowning
April 9, 2005, 09:10 AM
This is the perfest example of "It is better to be judged by 12 than carried by six". At least in court he will be alive to tell about it. If he hadn't broke the law he may not.

Bear Gulch
April 9, 2005, 10:29 AM
I doubt a jury will convict a cane using 64 year old who was beaten by scum.

Cool Hand Luke 22:36
April 9, 2005, 10:42 AM
Lockridge-Lewis and Moss' father, Darron Moss, said the incident was out of character for the young man.


No, the apple doesn't usually fall far from the tree in these cases.

armoredman
April 9, 2005, 10:45 AM
"I feel that the guy had options," Darron Moss said. "He could have shot in the air or screamed and scared them. You can replace things stolen, but not a life."
Yeah he had options A) Die slowly, or B) Shoot your thug kid. Just like you said, thugdad, you can't replace a life....

q102josh
April 9, 2005, 11:44 AM
It is no wonder that crime continues when the political system works to hold people helpless so the criminal doesn't get hurt.

exactly, i couldnt have said it better myself

jsalcedo
April 9, 2005, 12:23 PM
If they were trying to take his car may be the gentleman had his weapon on the seat or in the console.

That wouldn't be concealing a weapon.

Crosshair
April 9, 2005, 12:33 PM
*Karma meter explodes*

AJ Dual
April 9, 2005, 12:59 PM
The victim from AK was arrested for the shooting and the loaded firearm in the car.

He sat in jail for 48 hours and was releasesd as the Milwaukee (The "boys" were from nearby Racine to the south, and were in Milwaukee when their Grandmother's van died...) DA's office declined to press any charges against the victim for obvious reasons. Even the tecnical firearms violation he comitted was ignored.

The local conservative/pro RKBA set is outraged the man was even arrested. The main reason most of us think he was booked was that the attack ocurred at 6AM on Sunday, and the investigating MPD detectives had thier shift change coming up. They could book him and go home, or they could stay past thier shift and keep the poor man company at the station while they sorted things out. :( The official explanation was that he was out of state, and that he was therefore automatically a "flight risk" while the investigation was being conducted. (What? Hobbling back home to AK at .08 mph on his broken cane? :mad: )

The surviving perpetrators ("surviving perpetrators" Has a nice ring to it, no? :D ) are still all in detention. Since they're juviniles, getting public info on thier stauts is difficult under shield laws...

For anti-carry WI this is a pretty good outcome, all things considered. We're approching civilization, albiet slowly here. We're now where Ohio was a few years ago before thier CCW passed. Due to recent State Supreme Court decisions we now exist in a de-facto "affirmative defense" state where "illegal CCW" is not prosecutable, at least in theroy, for an otherwise upstanding and law-abiding person.

I think those of us stuck in WI get CCW eventually, It's just going to take time in this rather backward state of ours... :scrutiny:

Vernal45
April 9, 2005, 01:26 PM
"I feel that the guy had options," Darron Moss said. "He could have shot in the air or screamed and scared them. You can replace things stolen, but not a life."


NO, your punk thug kids had options, option: Dont have your head so far up your anal region that you are beating and attempting to steal from someone. You may get away with it, or you may end up dead. 1 oxygen thief thug dead, many more out there.

Mauserguy
April 9, 2005, 01:38 PM
It's a good thing that they got that 64 year old scum bag off of the street. Now we will need to ban assault weapons, and the world will be a better place.
Mauserguy



PS: This is sarcasm.

Hot brass
April 9, 2005, 01:45 PM
Bear Gulch ;said, I doubt a jury will convict a cane using 64 year old who was beaten by scum.

And I bet you don`t live in California! Remember, a Judge can tell a jury what to think. At least Judges do in California. :banghead:

DarkKnight01
April 9, 2005, 02:45 PM
I think those of us stuck in WI get CCW eventually, It's just going to take time in this rather backward state of ours...

I never understood that either, I was born and raised in MI U.P. and lived in the Dells for about a year and a half, for all of the hunting and otherwise pro gun, why no CCW permits? confusing....

Monkeyleg
April 9, 2005, 06:41 PM
DarkKnight01, Milwaukee, Madison and Racine are the most populous cities in the state, and they control the politics.

We also had a Republican governor who didn't want such a controversial bill to be placed on his desk, assuming a Democrat-controlled legislature would even allow such a bill to pass. We now have an extremely anti-gun governor who will veto the bill everytime it comes up.

Bill2k1
April 9, 2005, 07:38 PM
You guys who are mad about him being arrested, he killed a person. He is a killer. At a trial I hope the man proves self defense, but I doubt he will go to trial. He was arrested because that is what the police do. The police do not decide if it was in self defense or anything else, they are the gateway to the legal system. He commited a crime and he had to be arrested.

I will bet that the police on scene didn't want to arrest the guy but they had too. In addition, I highly doubt the DA will follow through with any charges.

El Tejon
April 9, 2005, 07:47 PM
Sounds like it's within the best interest of the Southern gentleman to go to the box and look them in the eye and say "Yeah, I did it, and so would you."

If ever there was a case for jury nullification, this is it.

I hope he has a good tilecrawler that can make this go away without taking that chance. :(

Standing Wolf
April 9, 2005, 08:02 PM
He could have shot in the air or screamed and scared them. You can replace things stolen, but not a life.

Always blame the victim for the perpetrator's damned foolishness.

bobby68
April 11, 2005, 03:38 AM
You guys who are mad about him being arrested, he killed a person. He is a killer.

I thought that killing someone in self defense is not a crime... isn't that why they call it justifiable homicide? :( :scrutiny:

cracked butt
April 11, 2005, 04:17 AM
DA's office declined to press any charges against the victim for obvious reasons. Even the tecnical firearms violation he comitted was ignored

It seems to be a pretty astute move by the Milpukee DA's office not to press charges. The last time they pressed charges on a weapons offense (a shop owner carrying a pistol in his pocket) a new law was passed in Wisconsin allowing people to carry a concealed weapon so long as they were in their place of business or on their property. As absurd as the need for the law sounds, it opened the door slightly for CCW in Wisconsin. Charging the man who shot the 20 year old 'boy' would bring about alot of backlash and could put CCW back on the forefront of agendas in Wisconsin which is about the last thing the lefties in the cities want to see. The repercussions of charging the man for using an illegally caried gun to defend himself and the prosecution losing in court would be too much for them to bear.

loose cannon
April 11, 2005, 04:55 AM
i say give the guy a medal and 100rds of 44 glasers.as for the surviving thugs.
25-life hard labor.

daddy gets to pay restitution to our arkansas friend for the mental anguish of delivering a fatal dose of vitamin L to the perp.

perp gets to enjoy his career in the agraculture industry;as fertilizer.

oh well 1 outta 3 aint bad.

sturmruger
April 11, 2005, 10:35 AM
Thanks AJ for the update!! I wish we could track down the guy from AR and get his side of the story.

DarkKnight01
April 12, 2005, 03:20 AM
We also had a Republican governor who didn't want such a controversial bill to be placed on his desk, assuming a Democrat-controlled legislature would even allow such a bill to pass. We now have an extremely anti-gun governor who will veto the bill everytime it comes up.

Yes, thats one of several reasons I no longer live there :)

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