Thinking about selling P99 QA for the AS


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SIGfiend
April 10, 2005, 07:09 AM
Does it sound stupid to sell it for another version of the same gun?

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Navy87Guy
April 10, 2005, 02:05 PM
Not at all. There's enough difference between the QA and the AS (which I prefer) that it's not really "the same" gun.

If you're looking for an AS, though -- good luck! They are getting very hard to find -- looks like the importation must have stopped as promised. The going price (at least here in my area) is around $600. I've seen places online advertising them for around $500, but none of them could actually come up with a gun when I called! So you might want to make sure you've actually got your hands on an AS before you give up your QA -- or you could find yourself "Walther-less" for a while!

Jim

SIGfiend
April 10, 2005, 11:19 PM
I feel a little insecure with any SA gun that doesnt have a manual safety...thats mostly my reason

otherwise its a sweet gun

wally
April 11, 2005, 09:06 AM
I feel a little insecure with any SA gun that doesnt have a manual safety...thats mostly my reason

I presume this means you have no Glocks either. I'd like the QA if they had left off the decocker -- all it does now is hang up the gun until you partially retract the slide to reset the trigger.

Admittedly its in a location that should be hard to activate accidentally but I see no purpose for it on the QA and only bad can come from it unless you think in a struggle for you gun you can hit the decocker before losing possion of it and hope this mis-feature confuses the bad guy enough for you to draw you backup gun or run away.

--wally.

Bart Noir
April 11, 2005, 03:19 PM
First, gotta say that this is only 2nd-hand ruminating, since I don't have one. Yet :)

The decocker lets you fully decock when wanting to dismantle the weapon. Does the design require you to decock in order to take it apart, as in Glocks and some others? Naturally, with some of those other guns, the only decocking method is to pull the trigger. That one feature must account for a certain percent of the NDs with these guns, and will forever more, since a certain percentage of people will just plain screw up and do this with a loaded chamber.

So I think that putting in a method to decock, without pulling the boom-lever, is a very good feature.

Bart Noir

wally
April 11, 2005, 06:17 PM
Grasping at straws to find a reason for this thing aren't we?

EVERY firearm take down instructions start with: BE SURE THE GUN IS UNLOADED AND REMOVE THE MAGAZINE

No mechanical contraption can overcome the stupidity of failing to head this simple step.

--wally.

Bart Noir
April 11, 2005, 07:20 PM
Wasn't the original P99 trigger action the traditional DA/SA action? So having the decocker button made a bunch of good sense for that version. Then the designers had to find a reason to keep or remove it.

OBTW, do any of the SW99 version delete the decocking button?

Bart Noir

wally
April 11, 2005, 08:46 PM
Can't be 100% sure but I have looked at the "old style" German made P99 with the proprietary light rail on the frame. It was DA/SA so the decocker made sense, albeit its in a very non-traditional location.

I was told by the dealer that you could pretend the decocker wasn't there and treat it exactly like the QA. I'd want to see this in the manual before I believed it, but the guy has been around so long folks call him "Doc Walther" and he specializes in having the German made guns.

--wally.

SIGfiend
April 11, 2005, 08:48 PM
the decocker is a good thing for this gun. think, without one the only way to decock it would be to dry fire it, thats what glocks have to do. which do you think is better for a gun, to have the decocker pressed or for it to be dry fired?

wally
April 11, 2005, 08:55 PM
Ain't much of a gun if dry firing breaks it :)

Problem is, on the QA its not a "decocker", its a "take the gun out of action until you partially rack the slide button". It is a decocker on the AS and "old-style" German made pre-AS guns as they will still fire after a longer, harder trigger pull. I don't know if they are what I'd call "true" double action -- meaning you can get a second primer strike with a second trigger pull -- although I agree "tap-rack-bang" is the proper thing to do. True double action is handy if you practice your DA trigger work with dry fire or snap caps.

--wally.

SIGfiend
April 11, 2005, 09:03 PM
ask a mechanical engineer; it may not break it--but it's what you call unneccessary wear.

snap caps are a better idea.

furthermore, i never knew there to be a P99 that wasn't German made. I bought my QA in 05 and it says MADE IN GERMANY on the frame :confused:

wally
April 11, 2005, 10:00 PM
I'll bet it says S&W on the slide :)

In todays Global Economy its hard to tell who made what, but supposedly the older P99 were made in Germany and imported as complete guns, newer ones are Parts from Germany with at least some assembly done in the USA.

--wally.

SIGfiend
April 12, 2005, 05:43 AM
I'm afraid not. The gun is entirely different. SW got all the inspiration from Walther. Key difference here is the SW 99 has a German made P99 frame and a US made slide and barrel with the slide being shaped differently (and bulkier).

The one sold under the walther name is all German made. It has SW's address on the side because walther does not have representation in the US so they do walthers repairs.

wally
April 12, 2005, 09:34 PM
I'm not trying to give you a hard time, its impossible to keep up with all the variations in guns and global corporation marriages and divorces, but the AS I saw said made in Germany on the frame and S&W Springfield MA on the slide in small print along with a prominent "Walther Banner" (it was in .40 S&W, I'd have bought it if it was in 9mm as I wanted a cheap ammo shooter, not a carry gun). If any of this matters you're at a level of collecting where shooting a gun "ruins" it :)

There are so many variations I think its counter productive, it they can make that many, I'll wait for them to make the exact one I want. I did love the way the grip fit my hand.

--wally.

modifiedbrowning
April 12, 2005, 11:48 PM
All P99's are German made. All SW99 frames are German made. Apparently SW did make some P99 slides for .40's awhile ago. If you buy a 9mm P99 it is completely German made(but may have been assembled in the US for more recent pistols). If you are worried about an older .40 being completely German look for the proofmark, which should be on the frame, slide, and barrel hood. The reason that the slide says S&W is because S&W is the importer for Walther. If you have an early P99 it will say Interarms on the slide.
For more info search for The P99 Faq or go to www.waltherforums.com.

AirPower
April 13, 2005, 02:52 AM
Please someone elaborate on how QA works. i'm still fuzzy here since Wather's had a DAO version too. Is QA just like DAO, but with shorter trigger pull?

What I"ve heard is that QA is also called SAO, and it seem to be like 1911, but I didnt' thinkl that's the case since it doesn't have a safety.

SIGfiend
April 13, 2005, 04:24 AM
modified--i dont think wally is capable of believing what you just said

wally
April 13, 2005, 08:18 PM
What's for me not to believe? Modified said what I said, German parts, some assembled by S&W are the current P99 production.

I've handled side-by-side , but not shot, the "old" style German made DA/SA with proofmark on the slide, proprietary rail and funky curve in the trigger gaurd; the AS which is also DA/SA, has the "standad" rail, and a modified trigger gaurd to be more in line with what is traditional; and the QA which is same as the AS as far as I could tell except it has the same "SA" trigger pull for every shot like a Glock. The QA trigger seemed about the same as the AS second shot pullwould be. I believe the DAO is like the QA except every trigger pull more like the AS first shot -- but I'm guessing as I've never handled one of these.

My objection to the QA is that they left the decocker on the QA where it does nothing useful but could be a problem if "accidentally" decocked as the gun is completely out of action until the slide is (at least partially) racked to reset the trigger (like a Glock would be with a dead primer round).

If you don't like the QA you should dislike the Glock for the same reason -- "light" trigger no safety, (ignoring the QA decocker issue).

HTH
--wally.

Navy87Guy
April 14, 2005, 11:38 PM
Please someone elaborate on how QA works. i'm still fuzzy here since Wather's had a DAO version too. Is QA just like DAO, but with shorter trigger pull?

What I"ve heard is that QA is also called SAO, and it seem to be like 1911, but I didnt' thinkl that's the case since it doesn't have a safety.

AirPower -
The QA trigger operates almost exactly like a Glock. It is a "true" DA in that pulling the trigger moves the striker back to the fully cocked position, then releases it. It has a consistent trigger pull from first shot to last -- no change in the pressure required. It stays at about 6.5 lbs all the time because the striker is "pre-loaded" part of the way when the gun is cocked. The AS model has two different pulls and three different travels..depending on which shot it is. In an SA, like a 1911, the hammer is fully cocked and the only thing the trigger does is release it.

There is no "safety" per se on the QA. As was mentioned earlier, you could decock the gun with the decocker -- in which case it would be inoperative until you re-racked the slide and put the gun back in battery. It doesn't take much - about 1/16" - but it's akin to carrying "Israleli style".

HTH
Jim

SIGfiend
April 15, 2005, 01:52 AM
my QA compact is for sale if anyone's interested

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