[El Rojo]

Alright, how many THR members out there would have been camping in the desert with at least a minimum of a handgun and more likely with at least one rifle and/or one shotgun? I personally would have had my Glock 27 at the very least. I don't like going anywhere in the boonies without at least one battle rifle, so I would have most likely brought along either the M1 Garand, M1A, or SU-16. Either way, with at least one firearm, I could have taken out at least one or more of the terrorists. I would have problably set up in that long cooridor and waited for the bad guy to come running after me and then ambushed him. Actually, the last thing I probably would have done was go to a building like that. There is nothing like a big vast desert to get lost in in the night. Sure with NVG they would have an advantage, but there is still a lot of land to look at from a jeep.

I want to know why there is only one CTU agent tasked to recovering the football. I would think they would have already splashed Marwan's jeep with a Hellfire, 2000 lbs. LGB, or a 500 CBU. At the very least there are some F15s in the areas, have them give him the 20 mike mike treatment.

Oh well, it is entertaining if not realistic. At least now I won't go to the desert without at least one rifle for each person that goes. :D

[bratch]

I really love the show but at times have to remind myself its a show. Like how can a helicopter and satellites not find the only jeep in the desert? I mean it even had its lights on.

I wasn't totally surprised they didn't have a gun I was surprised they didn't have a knife. I mean who camps without a knife? :confused:

[wasrjoe]

Hollywood writers.

[CleverName]

Glad I wasn't the only one thinking "If I was there, I'd get my rifle, end the terrorist threat, and collect my Congressional Gold Medal." Nothing like a long distance shot to justify that expensive scope. Additional benefit if I made it with a 50 BMG - Hey California, it's an anti-terrorist weapon!

[MAKOwner]

I'm kind of annoyed by the fact that Jack never ever takes a rifle along on these missions. Especially ones where he's expecting contact... Grab a M4 or MP5 or something for crying out loud...

To tonights episode I found it kinda lame they'd send just jack and one other CTU agent to get the football.

And there is no way those Jeeps would have been able to drive around unspotted once they started looking for them. And wouldn't AirForce One's fighter cover stay around on station to help secure the area where AFOne went down at or something?

[psyopspec]

Not reading the thread, but just wanted to say thanks for the fair warning this time around :D ! I'll be popping all of these back up when I'm caught up on the dvd's.

[ZeroX]

Tactical issues aside, I was more annoyed with the VP. I couldn't tell if he was up to something or just a bad actor.

[DontBurnMyFlag]

the whole time i kept saying, i woulda killed those terrorists if I were camping. I dont go camping without a weapon. not only that, jack and that random CTU agent were the guys in charge of retrieving the football. in reality there would have been national guard choppers and tactical teams there within minutes. how did the terrorists jeeps get there before anything else? its not like they could plan that the plane would A. blow up due to the missle B. crash where they planned it


but anyway, its a good show.

[Norton]

Or...how about the scene where the BGs get the football manual from the husband:

Wife says she'll give them the football if they promise not to kill them. Of course Marwan says, "I promise". Wife gives them the football and then looks surprised when Marwan says to kill them. :banghead:

[Remington788]

I dont go camping without a weapon

Me neither, I think me and my FAL would have been more than enough for four guys armed with handguns out in the desert. They never would have known what hit them. :neener:

I'm surprised no one has metioned the bullet trick Jack used to fool the terrorist. I don't think a little grass fire in a can would cause those 9mm bullets to go off. :scrutiny:


But then again, it is just a TV show. :p

[Calhoun]

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought all of these things last night.

Cal

[Elkslayer]

Yeah, Last nights show was PRETTY lame :rolleyes:

Like being a floor or two below ground level in an electrical substation with all kinds of electromagnetic interference way out in the desert AND STILL HAVE A CELL PHONE SIGNAL!!! YEAH,,, RIGHT!!! I loose signal just walking under a awning on the downtown streets around here!

[TonyB]

Yeah..who goes camping with out at least a knife?also why wouldn't you put your cell on vibrate when trying to sneak around and kill BG's?
My wife did say"if that were you and me,you would've shot those guys already."I had to smile...when she's right ,she's right.....I still love the show...also whould that burning can of bullets actually work??I don't think it would..I could be wrong..... :uhoh:

[Boats]

Yeah, last night I was telling my wife that it was military/outdoors BS week on 24.

Peeves:
Pictographic radar icons.
Disappearance of AF1s fighter escort not patroling the crash site.
Two man team with pistols sent to recover the football.
A nuclear football that is useable by any finder who can open it.
Campers without a gun.
Campers without even a SAK.
"Passive triangulation" without any point discrimination.
Unmanned reserve powerstation.
Breeept. Breeept. Moron.
Corrugated tin providing effective cover against both pistol and SMG fire.
Perfect cellular service in all but the initial football recovery.
Smoky grass fire in a can ignites 9mm rounds which sound like gunfire.
Nuclear football with a code to open it, but not a code to fry its control board.
A helicopter that can take out one Jeep in the desert, but not the other less than five minutes away no matter which direction it went.

OTOH:

Every layperson is convinced of the existence of pictographic radar icons.
To lay people it takes 4-5 F-15s to take out a lone F-117. And they are fighters incapable of ground attack.
There is no sense in arming yourself adequately or taking at least a squad for a short helicopter ride into the unknown.
The nuclear football is useable by any finder who can open it or it is useless as a plot point.
Campers without a gun are more believable in California than campers with one.
Campers without even a SAK? Well there was that yahoo in Utah who had to cut off his own arm with a Pakistani gas station freebee. Serves them right.
Hollywood is full of surplus tricorders for passive triangulation.
Only audible rings work to tell you that the character is talking to someone.
Unmanned reserve powerstations never have minimium wage security guards.
Corrugated tin provides effective cover against both pistol and SMG fire in Hollywood.
Perfect cellular service appears everywhere in Hollywood except horror movies.
Smoky grass fire in a can ignites 9mm on the sound engineer's board.
Hollywood doesn't seem to know about FLIR or that a spotlight is used on COPS to great effect rather regularly.

[M99M12]

Peeing up wind.

[DontBurnMyFlag]

boats....everything i was about to say...you covered. good job :cool:

[Don Gwinn]

Hollywood cell service is a fickle thing. In Way of the Gun, the entire plot hinged on the fact that the bagman following the kidnappers couldn't get a cell signal when they left with the girl--despite the fact that he was standing ten yards from the pay phone that worked perfectly for all the other characters.

Still a great movie. :D


We watched it with my mother-in-law last night; I think my wife was afraid to mention that we would have shot back. I won't say I would have killed the hardened terrorists. . . . but I would have shot at them, for goodness' sake.

[Mal H]

Like most here, I thought about all these things as well while watching.

Why wasn't an entire squad sent to recover the football?

How does Bauer know so much about the workings of the football?

Why not stash the football somewhere in the brush after disabling the transponder and just hide? IOW, why high-tail it to the only object that stands out like a sore thumb in the desert?

Why remove the batteries from a cell phone to prevent "passive transmission". Off is off.

Why are the lights always on in the substation? And why is such a large substation unmanned? Why does the substation have a glass window with no security wire in the door?

If they had to go to the substation, why can't they just hide and be "vewy, vewy, kwiet"?

Why does a cell phone work in the basement of an electric substation in the desert when my cell phone gets maybe one bar when we are only 5 miles from the nearest tower?

Why can't a helicopter easily outrun a jeep with its lights on? The chopper was only distracted about 1 minute at most.

Why does any other agent agree to accompany Bauer on any mission, short or long? They should know by now they are going to be killed in the first minute of any encounter. They are like the Blue Shirts in Star Trek.

Why do I keep watching it? Because it's still pretty entertaining with all its flaws.

[SLCDave]

I love the show, but last night's episode ranked right up with last years' episode where they got GPS signals in the subway tunnel. :rolleyes:

[KnightHawk67]

The Star Trek guys that were cannon-fodder were the red shirts. (Sorry, old Trekkies never die. LoL)

Another plot point about the football, even if it were going to take an hour to change all the launch codes (why so darn long?) where was Marwan going to get a nuke in less time than that? He was in the middle of the freakin desert!! I mean, no one said "Hey, we are missing a nuke from our inventory. Gee, could he have it in the back of that jeep?"

I love the show, but it grates my nerves in the "Hollywood-ification" of real life.

[Arc-Lite]

....and keep in mind the area AF-1 went down...Inyo, which is in the basic area of Groom Lake (area 51/USAF) and China Lake(USN)...(right up the road, from Edwards USAF) three of THE most secure areas...in the US, each with enough armed personal and strike and support aircraft...to form a nation. Oh well... if you just sit back, and put the mind on auto pilot, for an hour...its one of the better shows on the tube. The thing that amazes me....is how good Jack looks.... with the day he has had so far.

[Mal H]

KnightHawk - Right! The Red Shirts always got it first.

Another question about last nights episode:

Why is it that a couple of terrorists can triangulate a cell phone with a single piece of hand-held gear in seconds when the CTU can't seem to do it with lots of time and the entire technology budget of the US Gov't?

[UnknownSailor]

Since when can an F-117 carry an AA missle?

I firmly doubt that the contents of the football are so irreplaceable. I'm sure the codes contained in any one football can be almost instantly made invalid.

Body armor, anyone?

Camping deep in the California desert without some kind of protection? Only in Hollywood.

For Jack Bauer: Got rifle? As often as he gets into gunfights, he should have an AR slung at all times...

On the plus side:
Last episode drywall was shown not to be effective cover. I almost fell out of my chair when I saw that.

[GEM]

LAME!

And they killed Dena!!

The plot twists are getting sillier and sillier. Marwan can get there so fast when no other military assets can is because:

He is an evil Mummy. He has magic teleportation powers.

[Joe Gunns]

'Why is it that a couple of terrorists can triangulate a cell phone with a single piece of hand-held gear in seconds when the CTU can't seem to do it with lots of time and the entire technology budget of the US Gov't?"

'cuz CTU, as a new homeland security agency, has gear procured by bureaucrats in formerly separate agencies resulting in probably four different incompatable systems managed by three layers of low-bid software, each of which was acquired to "fix" glaring glitches in the earlier acquisitions. :)

[David]

In the scene where after the husband / wife campers split-up per Agent Jack's suggestion, the husband is then located by a terrorist.

From my quick view of that scene, it looked like the bad guy's pistol
(a S&W ?) had its slide safety engaged (i.e. in the down position).

For such highly trained terrorists, one would think they would keep their weapons "hot" at all times.

Did anyone else notice that as well?

:what: :uhoh: :what:

Also, after Agent Jack rescues the campers, he calls on the radio for a "medic".

At the ending of this episode, in the split-screen shot, they show the medic already on site working on the husband camper's injuries.

Where did this medic come from to get on scene so quickly?

:confused: :scrutiny: :confused:

[RRTX]

They should have just made it look like they went into the power station, and then ran out into the desert to wait for Jack. The terrorists would have gone into the station and probably spent hours looking for them while they were really half a mile away waiting the 5 minutes for the helicopter to show up :rolleyes:

[David]

Also another cool scene from last night's episode of 24.

When Agent Jack gives his mobile phone number to the campers, he gives a "realistic" telephone number instead of the usual Hollywood 555 prefix phone number!

:p :neener: :p

[Edmond]

I wonder how many people have tried calling that phone number! :what:

How much life does his cell phone battery have?

He must carry a lot of ammunition, enough to burn some of it like he did. :D

[El Rojo]

Does anyone have TVo? Get us the number and I will call it!

I noticed most everything you guys did. We need to get out more often. :D

[zaijian]

Yes, that bugs me in just about every episode - why the hell doesn't Jack have a rifle??

Examples off the top of my head:
1) Storming Marwan's compound (ep 16). Everybody else on the assault team has rifles, most of the terrorists have rifles/smgs, yet Jack goes native with a handgun. He might as well had a pair of six shooters and shot with a blindfold on, he's pretty much invincible by now.
2) Retreiving the football - again, armed with only a pistol, Jack destroys everything in his way.
3) Visiting the apt with the fake FBI agent - although this one is somewhat excusable.
4) Marwan's office where he's operating the override.

I'm sure there's plenty of more examples from other seasons.

I guess Jack is just a Pistol God.

[thorn726]

Actually, the last thing I probably would have done was go to a building like that

they'd find them faster in the desert. heat scanning or whatever.


i just can never believe how long they wait around before moving.

that was a pretty good episode overall. not to much filler nonsense whcih this season is waaay heavy with.

They should have just made it look like they went into the power station, and then ran out into the desert to wait for Jack. The terrorists would have gone into the station and probably spent hours looking for them while they were really half a mile away waiting the 5 minutes for the helicopter to show up

now that might have been a better idea.

Nuclear football with a code to open it, but not a code to fry its control board.

we dont know that, they were trying to keep it intact, otherwise they would just have taken the book, ran , burn the book something like that.

i can never stand the use of computers in movies having been using them
so much so long= BOY those TV computers have some incredible graphic interfaces and net speed.
yeah, building ownership displayed 3d. Sure.


had to add-
Campers without a gun are more believable in California than campers with one.

totally true.

Well there was that yahoo in Utah who had to cut off his own arm with a Pakistani gas station freebee.
What?????? what???????? huh? what is that about? hahah
Hollywood is full of surplus tricorders for passive triangulation. oh yEAH! what i want is the replicator!

Unmanned reserve powerstations never have minimium wage security guards

oh this totally. powerstations like that , especially in CA with bankrupt PG &E, that equiptment just runs. , think of power substations- theyre always empty. you should see the size of the FAA beacon faciltiy we used to break in to just to look around, huge generators from WWII, weird stuff. never any guard, ever.









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[RRTX]

Also another cool scene from last night's episode of 24.

When Agent Jack gives his mobile phone number to the campers, he gives a "realistic" telephone number instead of the usual Hollywood 555 prefix phone number!


Actually I read that is a real phone number to a voicemail box for the show or something like that.

[pete f]

I tried several times to watch the show. so freaking Dumb I gave up. I can not figure out why if the bad guys are so bad, why only one guy was being sent against them. The fibbies would flood the sight with hundreds of people. The Other Agencies would be there too, with people who all they do is practice for this.

One team, carrying sidearms to stop the end of civilization as we know it. Hmmmm When we send a battalion to catch some guy suspected of owning a legal barret 50?

Not too far from us is a small airport, The federals sent at least five vans full of guys to secure one private hanger they thought was being used for criminal activities, and Jack gets sent with a buddy?

[LiquidTension]

I don't think they just sent Jack and the cannon fodder guy on purpose - I think they were just the two closest agents. Of course, I missed the first 15 minutes.

I bet one of the reasons that Bauer never carries a rifle is because it would obscure his face - bad for cameras.

The wife - STUPID. Sometimes you gotta think of the overall picture. Yeah it would be a tough decision, but while the BGs were torturing my spouse I'd be getting the NUCLEAR WEAPON CODES out of their reach.

[jval]

How about those bullets in the tin can with the burning grass. They sure did sound like"real" gun shots!!!!!

[Edmond]

and Jack gets sent with a buddy?

Yeah, and that no name guy gets whacked seconds after landing. Like we didn't see that coming? :D

[williamcrane]

The bullets in the campfire always worked for the Lone Ranger and Tonto. :D

[El Rojo]

[quote]they'd find them faster in the desert. heat scanning or whatever./quote]I disagree. Even if they had heat scanning, we are talking about a big desert and these guys are on the ground. You can scan for my hot body (no pun intended) all you want, but if I am in a ditch, you aren't going to scan through 10 foot of dirt. If they were airborne, sure, since they weren't, their night vision and heat sensing is not going to be all that effective.

You know I have been wondering why the terrorists are able to use their cell phones without fear of compromise this whole time. You would think they would have some way to crack down on that.

[richyoung]

"You go with Jack" have become the deadliest words on television since "Welcome to the Enterprise security detail. Here's your red shirt."

[ZeroX]

The wife - STUPID. Sometimes you gotta think of the overall picture. Yeah it would be a tough decision, but while the BGs were torturing my spouse I'd be getting the NUCLEAR WEAPON CODES out of their reach.

Not to mention she told them the combination to open the damn thing. :rolleyes:

[spacemanspiff]

why doesnt his cell phone have 'silent ring'?

[Greybeard]

Quote: "The wife - STUPID. Sometimes you gotta think of the overall picture. Yeah it would be a tough decision, but while the BGs were torturing my spouse I'd be getting the NUCLEAR WEAPON CODES out of their reach."

My wife insisted that she'd let 'em shoot me.

[Ratus]

Why are they so worried about the "football"?

It’s just a radio and some paper plans.

Not some magic box with a big red button that'll blow up the planet. :D



Just remember, not to ask "Why..." when watching TV shows.

The best answer is normally "because its a TV show" :evil:

[Stevie-Ray]

Since when can an F-117 carry an AA missle? Bingo. Nighthawks are AG only. And they're portraying the terrorists to be superhuman genius types, while our best and brightest are day-late and dollar-short morons with yesterday's technology. I love the show and this year, it promised to be the best yet. But the last 3 weeks or so........