Lack of Public Forums at Anti Sites


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Cosmoline
December 31, 2002, 01:45 PM
I've been looking around various anti-gun sites, and one thing strikes me. Not one of them has anything like a public on-line forum for debate! This fact alone speaks volumes about their mentality and the weakness of their positions.

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Bahadur
December 31, 2002, 01:52 PM
Even According to the New York Times, we outnumber the antis by a wide margin on the Web. Something about the Internet attracting those with "independent" and "libertarian" streaks and all...

4v50 Gary
December 31, 2002, 01:54 PM
What do they need a public forum for? Sheeple follow, they don't lead. :D

spacemanspiff
December 31, 2002, 02:03 PM
for that matter, when was the last time an anti group held a 'debate'? havent they developed a pattern of popping up momentarily to spout off some 'facts' and 'statistics' and then quickly disappear before they are asked to quantify their statements with evidence?

i like the how the phrase used in MOHAA sounds in german:
Sie sind ein B√ľndel oder Feiglinge!
actually though, that translates back to english as: "you are a bundle of cowards", so i guess a more grammatically correct sentence would read: "Sie sind feiglinge"; (they are cowards).

Calamity Jane
December 31, 2002, 02:03 PM
I, too, have noticed the lack of public fora on anti-sites - here's one recent exception, however:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=6

It's Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine forum. But I warn you, take a preventative antacid before entering. :scrutiny:

Capital Punishment
December 31, 2002, 02:18 PM
I see dr. Jones has made his presence known in some threads. :)

Boats
December 31, 2002, 02:23 PM
I have more posts at mm.com in a month than I ever had on TFL in several or 1911forum. I guess I like playing offense better than defense.:evil:

Mike Weber
December 31, 2002, 11:53 PM
I've been playing around on the Michael moore site for a couple of weeks now. It seems to me that the bulk of the most rabid anti's have fled the Bowling for Columbine part of the site to other parts of the board. we seem to have them out numbered and out gunned:evil: with facts on the BFC forum. Its definately not the free fire zone that it was a couple of weeks ago. I found an interesting site that is what you might call an Anti Michael Moore site. http://www.moorewatch.com/ this one is worth taking a look at.

hipower22
January 1, 2003, 12:03 AM
Why would they want a public forum? They are not interested in the truth, lies and fabrications are bread and butter to them. If they faced the truth it might cause them to think - and thinking ain't one of their strong points. :D

Hkmp5sd
January 1, 2003, 12:50 AM
The otherside's preferred method of debate is having a James Carville type spitting out 1000 words a minute loud enough to drown out all other speakers, who them jumps up at the end and claims victory because the otherside just didn't have a beleivable message.

This is why TV/Radio and newsprint are their primary method of communications. They think limiting you to "Letters to the Editor" is enough counter response from the masses. The idea of a two-way communication scares the hell out of them.

Blackhawk
January 1, 2003, 01:09 AM
They don't want to hear much less be bothered by verifiable facts. Those pesky things to tend to show up on public forums.... :rolleyes:

deej
January 1, 2003, 01:38 AM
Heaven forbid that anyone be permitted to eavesdrop on their disinformation and plotting.

From http://www.millionmommarch.org/bbs/index.asp:


The Million Mom March Message Board is a live forum for the exchange of ideas between MMM chapter members. You must be a validated member to access the bulletin board.

Due to security concerns, there is a three-step signup process:

Fill out and submit the application.
Someone will verify your membership within a chapter.
You will receive an e-mail indicating whether your application was accepted or denied.
The intent of this bulletin board is to be a forum to allow the exchange of ideas. This is a private bulletin board system open only to active chapter members of the Million Mom March. Once your application is received your information will be verified. Please be patient! This process may take up to 72 hours.



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PATH
January 1, 2003, 01:51 AM
Yes there is nothing like open debate. MMM is anti free speech as well!

pax
January 1, 2003, 02:15 AM
Their forum, their rules. That's not anti free speech. It's property rights.

I think it's sad that so few of the antis have bulletin boards. While it is a reflection upon them, I think it is also a reflection on us, on the number of people on the RKBA side of things who, even though the facts are all on our side, still find it necessary or desirable to stoop to personal attacks, threats, and insults.

Yeah, those folks aren't "us." But they represent us, and do it poorly.

And I think everyone, antis and RKBAers alike, suffer for it.

pax

No matter what side of the argument you are on, you always find people on your side that you wish were on the other. -- Jascha Heifetz

Nathaniel Firethorn
January 1, 2003, 08:12 AM
The reason that there aren't a lot of anti forums is that the topic would be so immensely, mind-bogglingly BORING.

- pdmoderator

Baba Louie
January 1, 2003, 11:36 AM
In the vein of "Know your enemy as you know yourself", what if (love those two words) 1800 members of TFL/THR, etc. were to actually join MMM as members and were to infiltrate and control those discussions, tending to agree at first... then discovering the error of their ways?

I know, I know; "What If" Superman was a Nazi? (My standard line to a "What If" question posed to moi).

The late Gunslinger of FFF and TFL fame (may he RIP) did just that with either the Ms. or NOW board (correct me if I'm wrong any FFF'ers). Cracked me up to hear him go on about getting in touch with his "feminine side" LOL.

I'd probably have to assume a nom de plume like "Babette Louise" or some such and see if I CAN get in touch with my feminine side (are you in there honey?)

Hmmm, Babette, mother of two, divorced, age 47 and I absolutely HATE Guns. (Actually, they scare me, the evil things!) What can I do to help your girls out here? You Go Girl! etc, etc, etc.

It's funny to think about for a minute or two anyway. Gunslinger is laughing at me right now from his grave, I'm sure.

Adios

Hkmp5sd
January 1, 2003, 11:55 AM
If it takes the To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything! Julie Newmar route to gain membership in the MMM, I'll let them keep their private forum. :)

SIGarmed
January 1, 2003, 12:44 PM
pax,

I think the point is its very odd that they would have so many restrictions to post on a board, or not have any real discussion altogether. Why? To keep other idea's out even ones that are delivered in a civil manner. They are trying to push their agenda not do whats good for decent citizens. That speaks volumes.
Who can be surprised though given who we're talking about?

Cosmoline
January 1, 2003, 01:02 PM
I've been limiting my use of the Moore site since the moderators starting shutting pro-gun thread down. Though some pro-gun types are rude, so are some antis. Can you imagine this site or TFL shutting down a thread because the antis were making too many points?? It's unthinkable. I love arguing with antis.

One interesting thing about the Moore site--most of his fans are Europeans. I'm trying a "soft" approach with them now, but frankly some of the things I've heard from the Germans in particular make me think GW put the WRONG nations on the axis of evil list. North Koreans, crazy as they are, don't want to change my state's gun laws. Neither do the Iranians last time I checked. Europe may be the real enemy of the future.

pax
January 1, 2003, 02:10 PM
SIGarmed,

Yeah, I hear what you're saying.

I think, too, that a lot of what drives the anti movement is plain old fear. These are fearful people we're talking about, people who want everything to be under control because they're afraid what will happen if it's not. This is true of the laws they want to pass, and I think in many (not all) cases, it's true in their personal lives as well. It's not so much that they want to run others' lives, but that they are fearful of what would happen if others ran their own lives (an important distinction).

Anyway, if the driving force is fear, of course they are afraid of what would happen if their board were open to the public. They are afraid of being insulted, threatened, and personally attacked. And, quite frankly, I think past history gives them some reason to be fearful -- given that many of them define "attacked" as, "someone didn't affirm what I said and agree with me."

pax

Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson

Mike Irwin
January 1, 2003, 03:21 PM
And you're surprised how?

They don't want debate.

They want absolute, unconditional acceptance of their position.

As far as they're concerned, they're right, so there's no room or need for discussion.

Capital Punishment
January 1, 2003, 04:11 PM
ATTENTION EVERYONE

http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/lgf-poll.php

VOTE Michael Moore for idiotarian of the year!!! :D

Standing Wolf
January 1, 2003, 05:08 PM
Leftists are moral and intellectual cockroaches that can't stand the light of day.

Black Dragon
January 2, 2003, 09:24 AM
Hey the truth hurts and the anti's want to "feel" good about themselves. Remember, "it's all for the children."

braindead0
January 2, 2003, 09:33 AM
You can't even read the MMM board..much less post.. I've tried some social engineering to get on there (didn't really try much..just took a poke). No luck.

Perhaps I'll ask my wife to try...write an e-mail to the regional coordinator and say "well, i'd join up but I would like to learn more about your position before doing so"..

BrokenPaw
January 2, 2003, 10:18 AM
One of the reasons that the NRA has the restrictions on who of its members can vote is to prevent a motivated group of anti-NRA people from taking over, by joining up en masse and voting out the current leaders.

Do MMM and the Brady Bunch have such measures in their bylaws? Do the even allow members to vote on things like who is in charge?

If they do allow it, why haven't we all joined? It's far easier to dismantle a fortress from within than from without. I should think that it would be child's play to reduce Brady's smoke-and-mirrors empire to rubble if we all joined it and took over.

-BP

DonP
January 2, 2003, 01:12 PM
I'm signed on to the DU and a couple of other boards under other names.

I do a lot of lurking and a few non-decript posts here and there to get my number of posts up in double digits for credibility.

It's fun to wait for a gun related thread to pop up and let a few others post first. Then I post a few "questions" (Can't beat the Socratic method for confusing anti's and liberals in general).

My goal is to get the handful of fence-sitters on those boards to start asking themselves the same questions too. The "true believers" start to rant sooner or later about the "lies" pro gunsd people use, but I've had some success in getting threads turned to real questioning of what passes there for conventional wisdom.

One of my favorites is; "But if the NRA has over 30 million individual members that paid $30 each to join, don't they represents a cross ection of America the same way 'we' do?" They always want to paint the NRA and all the other pro 2nd organizations as faceless nameless "things" not really as a group of individual citizens. Dehumanizing us is very important to them.

That kind of question always gets the online equivalent of sputtering. But I never get hardcore or confrontational about it in the follow up. No points to be made that way. My usual responses are along the lines of; "I'm still confused about how we can say a 30 million person organization isn't really representative of the American people but the 100,000 MMM is?".

It is fun to take on another persona there, as a "sensitive and caring man". BTW, "I'm" just heartbroken over Al Gore leaving the race on the DU.

Go, play, have fun.

Don P.

ZekeLuvs1911
January 2, 2003, 02:27 PM
Gee, do the anti's even know how to read?

jmbg29
January 3, 2003, 02:22 AM
Reading, thinking and typing would take too much time away from their nightly drinking-one's-self-into-a-boxed-white-wine-stupor-ritual.

Almaden anyone?:rolleyes:

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