Egyptian AK-47


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mister hankey
April 15, 2005, 10:20 PM
i have an Egyptian AK-47 in 95% condition and was wondering if anyone knew how much it is worth not that i will ever sell it but i would like to know what i have.

P.S Does anyone else here try not to sell there guns or is it just me.I do it because i think that no matter what guns will always hold value.

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Onmilo
April 15, 2005, 11:22 PM
Three versions of Egyptian AKM rifles came in,,,

1. Steyr Import 'pre-ban' AKM Sporting rifles, bayonet lug,angle cut muzzle brake, laminated standard furniture, etc. $1000.00 in box on collector market.
Very few folding stock rifles came in and they can bring a 50% premium in collector condition.

2. PARS International MISR Sporter, Post ban, no lug, no brake, laminated thumbhole stock. $400.00 on average.

3. Late post ban Misr AKM, Rougher than the PARS guns, same post ban features, many had crooked sights and even cruder thumbhole stock, $300.00-$375.00

cabinetman
April 17, 2005, 12:28 AM
What about the Maadi models! I've got one and it's as good as any other AK I've come across!

Rome

1911user
April 17, 2005, 02:46 AM
I thought about the Maadi's also.

My only gripe against them was some (maybe all) used 2 US-made compliance parts in the magazine that came with the rifle. I don't recall them explaining that very well and the potential legal issues (instant criminal by inserting the wrong mag into one). The SAR-1 handled the compliance issue better but cost a bit more.

whm1974
April 17, 2005, 03:59 AM
y only gripe against them was some (maybe all) used 2 US-made compliance parts in the magazine that came with the rifle. I don't recall them explaining that very well and the potential legal issues (instant criminal by inserting the wrong mag into one). The SAR-1 handled the compliance issue better but cost a bit more.

This so stuiped. So If I brought one of these and put in a forgien made mag I'm now I felon? We can have two AKs one has the 20 american parts and the other is short of the 20, but one is illegal to use standerd capicty magazines with?

-Bill

1911user
April 17, 2005, 12:43 PM
I agree the US parts count logic seems crazy, but them's the rules and I want to play. :D

Here's the gory details as I understand them:

The actual number of US parts needed is not 20. The real key is the number of foreign parts on the ATF list; it has to total 10 or less. For a stamped receiver AK, that means 5 foreign parts have to be replaced. For a milled reciever AK, 4 foreign parts have to be replaced. If there is any kind of muzzle device, another foreign part has to go.

The US parts count thing is what allowed (and continues to allow) AK, FAL, CEMTE/G3, and other military-pattern rifles to be US built or imported to effectively get around the import ban that Bush signed in 1989. It's a pain, but a worthwhile pain IMHO. In fact, unless you buy pre-89-ban rifles, then it's the only game in town.

To make the Maadi legal to use with any foreign mag (like the SAR-1), just replace 2 foreign parts on the rifle. It needed a US-made stock set didn't it?

JA
April 17, 2005, 04:37 PM
Unless you specifly which model of Maadi rifle you have it is impossible to tell what it is worth.

Pre ban Maadi rifles were only imported by and stamped on the left side of the receiver "STEYER SECAUCUS,N.J." If not stamped this way the rifle is a post ban rifle.

Post ban rifles were imported by several importers.

PARS INTERNATIONAL CORP. Lousiville,KY imported Maadi rifles from 1993-1995.
Imported 2 models the ARM and RML both with thumbhole stocks. The model ARM had a 16.34" barrel length with a threaded barrel with a muzzle nut tack welded on. The model RML was imported with 16" and 20" barrrels with the threads turned off the end of the barrel.

ACC/INTRAC Knoxville,TN imported Maadi rifles from 1993-1995
Imported models the ARM and RPM both with thumbhole stocks. The model ARM had a 16.34" barrel length with the end theaded with a muzzle nut tack welded on. The model RPM had a 20" barrel with the end threaded with a muzzle nut tack welded on. The 1993 imported RPM rifles came with a bipod attached and later imported ones didn't.

Century Arms International or Century International Arms- Saint Albins,VT or Saint George,NH imported Maadi rifles from 1997-1999. They also assembled Maadi rifles from imported parts in 1996-1997.

Imported models were,

MISR with a 16" barrel with the threads turned off the end of the barrel with a thumbhole stock. It was imported in 1997 till this ruling by the Treasury Secretary.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/assault/treasrelease.htm

After the ruling the MISR-10 model rifle was imported that were the same as the MISR except it could only use 5 or 10 round magazines made just for it to comply with the Treasury ruling.

In 1999 the MISR S/A rifle was imported without triggers,sears,pistol grips,or hammers. US parts were added to comply with United States Code Title 18,Chapter 44,Section 922,Paragraph (r).

Assembled in the US rifles.

The model MISR-90 rifles were assembled by Century Arms from Maadi receivers and Chinese MAK-90 parts kits. They bought 1000's of MAK-90 rifles that were disassembled and had the receivers distroyed after the import of Chinese guns and ammo was banned in April,1994. They imported Maadi receivers that had both trunions,rails,trigger guard,and mag catch installed. The first ones due to the Maadi receivers having a AKM front trunion that has a opening for a barrel with a 23mm barrel shank required a sleeve to be added to the smaller 19mm barrel shank of the MAK-90 parts kit barrel. The later assembled MISR-90 rifles used the Chinese front trunion from the MAK-90 parts kits and a Maadi receiver imported without a front trunion installed. Besides the rivets being loacated in different places on the trunion/receiver the early MISR-90 rifles have the model stamped on the left side of the reciever where the later rifles have it stamped on the barrel.

Onmilo
April 17, 2005, 07:22 PM
Thanks for the addendum JA.
I forgot who the importers were for the last batches and completely forgot about the Century/MAK90 guns.
I have heard a rumor that the MAK90 parts kits were actually the cut up remains of the inadvertant shipment of full auto rifles Norinco sent in and got barred for.

JA
April 18, 2005, 12:58 PM
When the treasury dept. banned the import of Chinese guns and ammo in April,1994 there were 1000's of MAK-90 rifles in bonded warehouses awaiting import approval from customs and 1000's more in transit to the US. The importers filed with the treasury dept. to release the rifles that were in customs as they were in the US when the ban was enacted. The treasury dept. ruled that the rifles while physically in the US they were not legally in the US as customs had not released them. But they did allow the rifles to be released from cutsoms to be sold as parts kits if the receivers were distroyed.
In 1995-1996 two importers adverstised MAK-90 parts kits for sale in the Shotgun News. Sales were really slow as there were no receivers made in the US at the time. Sales were so bad that the prices went for $139 to $69 for one kit in a years time. The last ad I saw before Century started making the MISR-90 rifles was that 100 or more kits the price was $39 each.
A friend that owned a gun shop bought 3 kits for $59 each in 1996 and none had any machine gun parts as the fire control parts were semi auto parts.
In the late 1990's MAK-90 kits would show up at gun shows ever now and then. All that I have seen were semi auto kits and I have never seen a machine gun kit.

kfranz
April 18, 2005, 02:08 PM
PARS INTERNATIONAL CORP. Lousiville,KY imported Maadi rifles from 1993-1995.
Imported 2 models the ARM and RML both with thumbhole stocks. The model ARM had a 16.34" barrel length with a threaded barrel with a muzzle nut tack welded on. The model RML was imported with 16" and 20" barrrels with the threads turned off the end of the barrel.

ARM's also had the threads turned off.

JA
April 18, 2005, 03:27 PM
I have only seen a couple of the PARS ARM rifles at gun shows and pics of one on the net. They all had threaded barrels but like with the Chinese AK rifles or should I say anything imported, I don't doubt that some had the threads turned off.

cabinetman
April 18, 2005, 08:03 PM
My Maadi is marked CAI and is also an MISR s/a (AKM)

As AK47s go, it's fine. Let's face it, none of them are very sophisticated but they do the job just fine.

When I got it, the trigger slap was so bad that I could not shoot more than half a dozen rounds through it before I got a blister. No kidding. So I purchased a USA made HTS for two reasons: first, I got the complinance parts count up and also, the quality was supurb. That eliminated the slap 100% and now the rifle is just a fine AK47 lead slinger.

Also, the muzzle comp that was on the rifle was only held on by a blob of what appeared to be solder. Not silver solder, either, but just lead solder. It twisted right off and exposed the dreaded threaded end. Also, the spring loaded "pin" was still in the sight tower and it still worked! So, I was able to install the proper slant-cut muzzle compensator by simply screwing it on. It even timed properly and the spring loaded pin holds it in place.

So, all up, I'm a happy boy having this particlar rifle. It's registered as an honest-to-God assault rifle here in Connecticut, now, and you can NOT buy any more AK47s or anything that looks like them in 7.62 x 39 caliber. The premium for them in our state is very high. .223 and 308 are just fine, btw. Go figure! Here's a pic but it's not like you've never seen an AK47 before! Once you've seen one, you've seen them all! ;)

http://members.cox.net/romanpolaski/curiosandrelics/MyMaadsmall.jpg

Rome

JA
April 19, 2005, 08:42 AM
The US made sears that Century used on the 1998 imported WASR rifles and the 1999 imported Maadi rifles were defective. A how to fix the sear tutorial is at
http://www.gunsnet.net/Linx310/slapfix.htm

Actually you didn't get the parts count up by adding a US made HTS. Your rifle was imported without a HTS and Century added a US made HTS after it was imported. Notice what the final inspection certificate from Maadi says about the HTS not being included when the rifle was exported.

http://img255.echo.cx/img255/8468/maadimisrcert8sy.jpg

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