[mete]

Remember the story out of NYC not too long ago when someone challenged a BG by saying "what are you going to do, shoot me ? " That person was shot and killed. Well it's happened again - www.nydailynews.com/front/story/301086p-257705c.html

[mbs357]

It's sad, but they've brought it on themselves. Not just aggitating the BG while unarmed, but letting the state do the crap it's done.
Wasn't this crime impossible with current laws anyway?

[junyo]

"I moved here from 146th St. after three people got shot outside my building there," said Carolyn Leuner, 24, a middle school teacher who lives below the crime scene. "I thought it would be safer here."Nice to see that whole "no guns in the city" policy is working so well.

...shot her fiancé after he challenged the stranger to pull the trigger.
"Are you going to shoot me?" the 24-year-old victim asked.

"I'm not playing," the gunman warned, according to a police source. "The gun is real."

Personally I think the criminal should get a reduced sentence if/when caight. Yes he did shoot someone, which is bad. However, the guy he shot is a menace to the gene pool in general and this woman in particular, so he was kind of doing us all a favor.

[Old Dog]

Personally I think the criminal should get a reduced sentence if/when caight. Yes he did shoot someone, which is bad. However, the guy he shot is a menace to the gene pool in general and this woman in particular, so he was kind of doing us all a favor.
Hope you're joking; that kind of thinking is dangerous. While I'd agree that taunting a person with a gun when one is unarmed could be construed as being rather stupid, I don't think that it necessarily means the guy in question is "a menace to the gene pool."

He might well have been aware that, in many armed robbery cases, the perpetrator will go ahead and shoot his victims regardless, so as not to leave witnesses. Baiting a gunman is not recommended, but I tend to think that if I were unarmed and had a pretty good feeling the robber was going to try to kill me anyway, I'd at least take some verbal shots and not be going to meet my maker begging for my life while peeing my pants.

Since none of us were there, pronouncing judgement on the victim is rather pointless.

[junyo]

Main Entry: sar·casm
Pronunciation: 'sär-"ka-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: French or Late Latin; French sarcasme, from Late Latin sarcasmos, from Greek sarkasmos, from sarkazein to tear flesh, bite the lips in rage, sneer, from sark-, sarx flesh; probably akin to Avestan thwar&s- to cut
1 : a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain <tired of continual sarcasms>
2 a : a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual b : the use or language of sarcasm <this is no time to indulge in sarcasm>
synonym see WIT

[Old Dog]

Ah, once again ... the humor escapes me. But then, I tend to find humorous only things that are actually funny.

There is no humor in a criminal shooting an innocent civilian.

[Bear Gulch]

I think that NYC would be better off with 100% mandatory carry than with a 100% ban.

[armedcitizen]

The guy got shot because the BG was intent on doing someone harm. You can't blame the shooting on anything the victim said.

What jumped out at me was the fact that the shooter shot three times and scored three hits. NYPD doesn't shoot that well!

[Werewolf]

The way the article reads to me is that if the boyfriend had just kept his big stupid mouth shut he wouldn't have been shot.

The BG was using the gun for intimidation purposes - hell - he even said to the boyfriend "this is a real gun". He was trying to get it thru the dunderheads thick skull that he was threatening action. If he'd intended to shoot he'd have done it sooner. The BG was taunted into shooting the BF.

BUT noooooo... the BF just had to go and shoot his mouth off. Antagonzing an armed man who obviously has evil intent is not the best tactical move in my book in fact it's pretty darn stupid.

The BF deserved to get shot no less than the BG deserves a stay in the joint for shooting him.

[junyo]

There is no humor in a criminal shooting an innocent civilian.
Well, they say humor is relative. It's pretty much the 'Eddie Murphy in the redneck bar' joke from the second 48Hrs movie ("Anybody else want a limp?"), only with real bullets. And since I find fairly and instantly rewarded stupidity to be infinitely humorous, I found it to be somewhat funny. I'd tell you to lighten up, but the level of gravity with which you choose to live is your perogative. And as I respect your right to find it funny or not, please respect mine to not be lectured about what to find funny.
The guy got shot because the BG was intent on doing someone harm. You can't blame the shooting on anything the victim said. I can blame the victim for whatever I choose to. The validity of such a claim may be questioned, however. I choose to blame the "victim" for being an idiot. I base this on the facts presented. The "victim" challenged a gunman who was holding a gun to his fiance's head, armed with nothing more that righteous indignation. In my opinion, being blamed, cracked on, or lectured is the least of his worries. He should thank his lucky stars that he's still alive, and that the gunman didn't put a shot in his fiance for his trouble. Even if he was convinced the gunman was going to kill them and he wanted to take action, how about actually taking action as opposed to cracking wise? I've got no pithy tossoff if the guy was shot mid-lunge, or even screaming for help. If you find the actions of the boyfriend to be intelligent, then by all means, explain why he wasn't an utter moron for antagonizing the criminal...

[Standing Wolf]

One moronic damned fool shoots another.

No New York vacations for me: too many dumb, crazy people there.

[Ky Larry]

New York doesn't have a higher proportion of crazy people than any where else. They just have more people. Some of them are mean and crazy, most are very decent people.

[scottgun]

The three roommates are philosophy graduate students at the New School University

He might want to ponder his approach to being an armed robbery vicitm a little deeper :banghead:

If you tell some moron who is robbing you at gun point to go ahead and shoot you, I wouldn't rely on the robber's sense of right and wrong.

[HI express]

(With a lot of dripping sarcasm) Isn't this the city with the most LEO's per capita? Isn't this one of the cities with the most stringent gun laws? Aren't firearms by citizens pretty much prohibited to your residence?

So where are all these "shooters" coming from?

With so much regulation and law abiding citizens, what is happening? What is the solution? More gun laws of course.

AAAAArrrrrrggggh. When are these stupid pencil necked politicians going to get it?

Rant off....see now I feel much better now. :banghead:

[Old Dog]

I submit that once one has had a gun -- in the hands of a bad person --pointed at one, then one might not be so critical of any words said by another person in that regrettable position.

It's certainly easy to sit in judgement -- from the comfort of one's desk chair -- and pronounce someone "stupid" or a "moronic damned fool" for things that person said while facing a gun ... but I can tell you, that until one has been on the wrong end of a gun, one will never understand just how easy it to babble ... and say, what might seem in hindsight (assuming one survives the encounter), some incredibly stupid, moronic, and silly words.

[another okie]

I heard a radio interview with Dick Wolf the other day, the guy who produces all the Law & Order shows. He said that he often spends time with real detectives, and that he had learned two things:

1. Most of the dead people he saw had a surprised look on their face. They didn't expect to be shot.

2. The most common last words of victims were "Go ahead and shoot me" or "I guess you'll have to shoot me."

[Randy in Arizona]

I wonder if, by the time he gets out of the hospital, his philosophy has changed to Republican? :D :D :D