[White Horseradish]

So there I was, sitting and thinking. (I know, I know. Terrible habit) and I got to wondering.

The Czech Republic is home to at least two firearm manufacturers. What rights with regard to their products do they have over there? Anybody know?

[thorn726]

i wish i was answering you, but i am bumping- my grandma's family fled as Hitler rose to power, the Germans sure disarmed them, and i dont think the Russians gave any arms back. the Germans burned her town on their way out, but she went back later many times- heheh got to vote "YES" even though she didn't live there anymore , back in the 80s! so you can imagine what the arms laws were like then, i too wonder what they are now....

this also makes me curious about Serbia/yugo/whatever is there, after all the unrest, and one of my good friends had to go back (immigrant).

[JardaXor]

Is it out of date, but I can answer - here in Czech rep. we have gun laws very liberal. Can be better, but in compare to other countries around ... liberal :)

[wingman]

[QUOTE]Is it out of date, but I can answer - here in Czech rep. we have gun laws very liberal. Can be better, but in compare to other countries around ... liberal Quote:

Thanks for info., you all seem to have some fine craftsman something in my
opinion we are losing. :(

[Jim March]

You know why they don't allow trampolines in that country?

















































To avoid bounced Czechs.

[dasmi]

:barf: :barf: :barf: ^^^

[Phoenix_III]

Bump - No specifics? Liberal compared to other areas might be 'air-rifles are allowed for our olympic team only'

=)

[JardaXor]

Bump - No specifics? Liberal compared to other areas might be 'air-rifles are allowed for our olympic team only'

Sure. But I did't know if is it still interesting for you. Or somebody else.

Now I'm in my office with CZ75 in the holster. Full size magazine, 16 Federal EFMJ.
OK, I take our laws and translate. Very simply, is it about 50 pages and my english isn't good :)
First - guns are sorted to categories.
D - (airgun, flobert, percusion etc) - there are free from 18 years.
C - (rimfire with lenght>280mm, gasguns, rifles whitch can load (chamber + magazine) max. 3 rounds) and rifles with lenght>600mm.
B - other guns but not automatic - my main category ;)
A - automatic, insidious, silencers, ...

Generaly, here are "gun passport" or how to translate. If you are 21 years old, you can order it. Police manage these orders, but it's claim from law for it.
You need:
- clear "offence register" (I don't know if this translation is apposite)
- affirmation from your doctor (hi can require psychic test, if you looks strange :)
- make test, which consist from 3 areas - law, technic and first aid.
All of these are simple and for "normal" person it's formality.

Next you can buy any gun. Cat. C you have to notice, for cat. B you need authorization (but it's your entitlement - formality. I have any time 2-3 in advance). Cat. A are "forbidden guns" and you need make special request - for collecting etc.

Ammo are similiary - I can buy any ammo with my gun passport.

Shooting is allowed on the firing ranges (or there where nobody take you :).
Carying is allowed hidden only.
Self-defence is allowed too, but isn't absolute clear - each incident is investigate separate. And judges are ... hmmm, oldtimers. But it's better year from year.
You don't know our justice system, is totaly different from yours.

It's very simple translation and explanation. Ask for details, if you will want.

[Phoenix_III]

That was a great post thank you

(Friend had a foreign student stay with him for over a year and we were all friends, I introduced them to shooting/rifle fun, and also had a CZ to show him, (from the Czech Republic) ). Of course this was in NJ too, of all the places. =)

[mbs357]

Good to know there are other countries with good gun laws.
Especially in the land of the best pistol ever.
(Seriously, wouldn't it suck if your country produced one of the finest handguns in the world and you couldn't carry, or worse, own it?)

[DeseoUnTaco]

YOU JUST RUINED MY DAY. Thanks a lot.

Basically, California has worse gun laws than most of Europe apparently. Sounds like CZ has better laws than almost all of the US. No silly assault weapons, license to own = license to carry, even MGs are possible for collectors.

I have to move to Europe at some point.

[Standing Wolf]

Basically, California has worse gun laws than most of Europe apparently.

http://www.uhaul.com
http://www.yellowtruck.com

[DeseoUnTaco]

By the way, CZ has such a long and distinguished history of firearms design and craftsmanship that I'm glad to see that the laws allow citizens to own them so easily. It may not get much notice, but so many of the best gun designs that we use today are originally from CZ. And CZ has produced some really fine shotguns and hunting weapons.

By contrast, the UK also had a big gun industry that produced some fine products, and now only a handful of manufacturers are left there, and the locals are not allowed to own much of anything, so it's dying there.

[thorn726]

JardaXor- awesome , thanks!

and Jim March- i am telling my grandma that joke, that is too funny.

[Jim March]

One thing I find interesting about Czech and Slovakia is that they managed a "freindly divorce" with no warfare. Quite civilized, that, and something not often accomplished.

[JardaXor]

For normal use is our law good. For simple sporting, self-defense, hunting ... But specialities like collecting aren't absolut simple as can looks from my explanation. Opposite to geting of guns of cat.B, where police have to argument why you can't (if they want, I don't know case of it), forbidden guns of cat.A you have argument them why.
Ammo without CIP (we have great amount of military ammo, which was produced in the different -non civilian- marking, very cheap) aren't allowed for use. Theoretically, for collection, I need special request for this ammo, with specification of type, manufacturer, number of pieces etc.
We're can't carry "ammo with heightened wounding" - JHP etc. If the bullet have a hole, is forbidden. :)
Federal EFMJ is OK, Lapua CEPP Super is OK, but Lapua CEPP Extra not, because "have heightened armor-piercing", as said our "proving station of guns&ammo".
It's strange and stupid.
Generaly, our law is relative safe, simple and liberal for normal citizens. But for us, who love guns, should be better :)
On the other side, if you visit CZ, you can shooting in the most of shooting ranges here, inside or outside, with somebody who have gun passport or directly under control of personal. Some shooting ranges profit on this "shooting turism" - Germans, Englishmans, Japanese, ...
Slovenia have similiar laws, but I thing worse for carrying. I have to capture one on the net and confess them :)

[mbs357]

No JHPs???
=(
What about JSP?

[JardaXor]

JSP is OK. Generaly, bullet couldn't have a hole. It's not absolute rule (see my post about Lapua CEPP Super vs. Extra).
My solution are Federal EFMJ's - they aren't tested. Resp. was tested and result was "without result" :))))

[Faithless]

So you can carry a pistol about on you?

[JardaXor]

So you can carry a pistol about on you?
Be sure - as I said yesterday, I'm in my office with CZ75 (16 EFMJ) in the holster ... I don't have a gun only when I go to pub or similary occasion ...
Never had to use, but who knows ... :)
Of course, I have to put away in special places like courts etc. But they have safes for guns.
Generaly, I have access with caryed gun to any public place, and if somewhere they want to puting away, they have make conditions for it. Safe or so on.
On the other side, because we have only hide carying allowed, who's care in the bank, for example? They have pictogram on the doors, but nothing else. I'm not solving. After all, where I should use the gun better? :evil:
But I'm not a common citizen, of course, weapons are my hobby.

[Faithless]

Thanks for the reply.

I've been looking at Eastern European countries that you can carry a pistol about and not be called a terrorist / crazy.

Maybe when Czech Republic gets the Flat Tax, I'll stay there longer than a holiday.

[No_Brakes23]

I believe they do 3-gun in Czechoslovakia, as well.


http://www.uhaul.com
http://www.yellowtruck.com I usually can't stand all the silly "Well then move" comments coming from non-Californians, but this is funny. :D

[Chisel Head]

...The Czech Republic is home to at least two firearm manufacturers. What rights with regard to their products do they have over there? Anybody know?I remember seeing a Czech-made Mauser, many years ago. The rifle was already quite old, at the time. It probably was produced in a former Mauser factory annexed by the Czecks, after they drove out the Germans
- here in Czech rep. we have gun laws very liberal. Can be better, but in compare to other countries around ... liberalI was in an army surplus store, in Jindrichuv Hradec, last week and inquired about a Walther 9mm P-22, in the showcase. Since, most Czechs outside of Prague master a minimum of western language proficiency, a customer, who was purchasing a contemporary German combat uniform, attempted translating my question about the gun to the saleswoman there. I asked if the weapon was real and she answered back "yes". It costed some 3200 Kroners (€133) which caused me to be doubtfull, after I calculated the price. I then went back to inquire a second time, with the suspicion that a brand new Walther 9mm was unusually inexpensive. Either it was a Chinese replica or a toy (no difference). After having inspected the weapon, it turned out to be a starter pistol.
That incident is what led me to this site, after having Googled "Gun laws Czech Republic" or similar.
I'm now back home. But, plan to return, in the near future, to obtain a real one. I would prefer to stay away from anything not using NATO calibers, if possible. I'm likely to obtain something from the resident Vietnamese bazaar vendors, near the border. But, prefer to do business with reputable persons. If that's not feasable, how are firearms laws in neighboring Slovakia?
The only thing I know about the country is that they have a pro-Russian, Nationalist government

[Buck Nekkid]

Not only does the CZech Republic have pretty sensible gun laws, compared to some of OUR states, they also have one helluva President. His name is Vaclav Klaus and he has stated publicly that Al Gore and the global warming crowd are nuts. Here's a pic of him giving a custom CZ 550 to President Bush--now if he was only running with Palin :)

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/ottonsure/foto1.jpg

[SamG.]

Is anyone aware that this thread's last post (other than to today) is October 6th 2005!

[Chisel Head]

This thread is up there on the first page, when looking it up on Google. Who cares how old it is, as long as it's still relavent and helpfull

[bogie]

That's why we has the interwebz... So folks wondering about questions can resurrect them!

[Chisel Head]

Is anyone aware that this thread's last post (other than to today) is October 6th 2005!I see what you mean. JardaXor hasn't been active anywhere here, since 2005. Oh well, he's the guy who could be most helpfull, on this thread.
His posts, elsewhere, are interesting, though. Too bad he went and croaked or something.
Hope this isn't too far off-topic: the Czech Republic is full of wildlife. Aside from generous roadkill, I saw quite a few deer and the lakes are full off fish. Compared to overpopulated- Germany and France, the latter overhunted and overfished, the Czech Republic would be a lucrative market for organized hunting trips. Here, some pics of the country:

This one from our rented condo:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/Tuerkenjaeger/HradecWindView.jpg

Some store front, in town:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/Tuerkenjaeger/HradShop.jpg

From the backyard pier, overlooking the neighbor's backyard pier:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/Tuerkenjaeger/HradLake.jpg[/q]

[cambeul41]

My wife , on occasion, has business in the Czech Republic. She has her CCW. Would she be permitted to buy and ship/bring back firearms?

[Chisel Head]

Your second question makes little sense. Why would anybody wish to buy a firearm from a county with even more stringent laws than in Michigan for legal importation? If anything, purchasing a firearm in a foreign country only has the advantage of bringing it back to own as an unregistered weapon, unless you intend on keeping that firearm within the country where you have purchased it.
Don't get me wrong. I was born and raised in the Detroit area myself and have also owned an unregistered handgun, while transitting to work in SW Detroit. In case I had to repell a carjacker or whatever assailant, had that entity have suffered fatal wounds, the ballistics couldn't have been traced back to me. Thus, sparing me quite a bit of legal hassles, possible shakedowns and railroading of which I wouldn't have deserved because of excercising my constitutional right to defend myself and to bear arms

[Leif Runenritzer]

The world just got a little brighter to me.

[cambeul41]

Your second question makes little sense.

Second question? I asked only one.

Why? Possibly price -- assuming fewer middlemen.

Illegal? That had not crossed my mind. I was asking about legal possibilities. I did use the word "permitted."

[crushbup]

There is an ATF form to fill out to import a firearm. The best thing to do would be to email them, ask for the form, and the criteria for what is and is not allowed. You also need too follow all restrictions of the airline in bringing weapons into the U.S. You'll probably need to declare them at customs, which can bring a hefty fee.

Rather than price, I'd say it's better to have one marked Ceska Zborjovska (for example) rather than CZ USA, Kansas. It's just cooler.

[dalepres]

Is anyone aware that this thread's last post (other than to today) is October 6th 2005!

I'm glad it floated to the top; it was very interesting reading.

[Buck Nekkid]

Another consideration about personally importing firearms from the CZech Republic is that not all of their firearms are "legal" here in the U.S. Here is one example: The very cool CZ 92 in .25 acp.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/ottonsure/CZ92glamour.jpg

I've been trying for several years to figure out a way to get one of these babies, but no cigar!

[Chisel Head]

...Second question? I asked only one...Sorry, I meant the second part of the question...Why? Possibly price -- assuming fewer middlemen...Unless, you're buying direct from the manufacturer, are you expecting less middlemen elsewhere?
The Czech Republic is, in practice, a liberal county. Meaning, the more liberal countries, in Europe, are generally those with higher sales taxes to distribute to bottomless social pork barrels nationally and internationally.
To give you an example, when I left Michigan, the sales tax was 4%. Today, as you know, it has reached 6%. Within every 10 years, there, one can expect a 1% increase. Here in Germany, within the last 15 years, the sales tax has increased 5 percentage points to a whopping 19%. Therefore, If citizens residing outside of the EU do not enjoy duty-free privilege, in the Czech Republic, it would be sensible to look elsewhere...Illegal? That had not crossed my mind....Even if it did, I'm one of the last persons, here who would judge, let alone, care...I was asking about legal possibilities. I did use the word "permitted."...Fine. But, your question, formulated as it was, could attract unwanted attention from unpleasant people. I simply wanted to play the part of the Devil's advocate...not all of their firearms are "legal" here in the U.S. Here is one example:...Interesting. Is this weapon's compact size the reason it's illegal?

http://www.gundirectory.com/more.asp?gid=20210&gun=Pistol

http://www.gundirectory.com/guns/20210-1.jpg

[PercyShelley]

Take a look at the "sporting use" definition for pistols. I imagine that the barrel is too short and/or the caliber is too small.

Also, have some aspirin at the ready. US firearms import laws are egregiously nonsensical.

[Gibbles]

I think to import something like that, it would need to have like three or four safeties... unless someone manfactured it on US soil, then it would be good to go.

[Buck Nekkid]

My understanding about the legality of importing the CZ 92 is that it does not meet the "sporting use" criteria set up by the BATFE. I've been encouraging CZ-USA to start production of this little guy here in the US at their Dan Wesson facility. It would be sooooo cooool if they would take the original design, beef it up a little, and chamber it in .380 acp. It would be an outstanding competitor to the Kel-Tec and Ruger LCP.

If you have a real interest in the CZ 92 you might do a search for the CZ 45. This was a model that was imported in the late 40's and early 50's and is basically the same as the current CZ 92.

Here's a pic of my CZ 45:

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/ottonsure/CZ45--newgrips006.jpg

With custom grips by Dennis Marschal in Hungary.

[PercyShelley]

It's probably a fair bit heavier than the kel tecs, but it does have personality, and that counts for a lot.

Wouldn't be too surprised to find out that it's more accurate than the kel tecs too.

[Tribal]

Be sure to look before each time you visit, just in case the laws have czanged...

[Chisel Head]

The world just got a little brighter to me.Warum Herr Runenritzer? Sind Sie Sudetendeutscher?

[Chisel Head]

...The Czech Republic is home to at least two firearm manufacturers. What rights with regard to their products do they have over there?When I bought my rifle, there were a couple of Mausers, on the display rack. I can still remember that the Czech-made was priced around $50. That was way back when, though. In Michigan, all you had to do was to present a driver's licence or some other form of pictorial identification.

Here's an interesting site about Czech-made Mausers:

http://members.aol.com/mudsmeller/mauser/index.html

http://members.aol.com/mudsmeller/mauser/turk_mauser2.jpg

http://members.aol.com/mudsmeller/pigfly.gif

[Chisel Head]

...Would she be permitted to buy and ship/bring back firearms?...She could save herself a trip, if she can mail order the item direct from the manufacturer. Make it clear to the company that the item should be shipped as a gift, when that customs sticker is to be filled out. The package should look ordinary with absolutely no company logo, whatsoever, which could arrouse suspicion.
I, once, ordered a high-powered wrist rocket from Nebraska, several years ago, because only the casrtrated versions are legally available, in Germany. More powerfull versions are available, in France. But, the version produced for the American market is the best you can get. The company, of course, printed their logo and it was intercepted as a commercial item subject to tarif. I had it sent in my girlfriend's name (it ticked her off:fire:) to lead the customs to think that the item was to be female oriented. I didn't feel like taking the rap either, in case customs felt like screwing someone down about it:D The package was opened. But, luckily, the person inspecting didn't know what it was.
Before experimenting with an item which costs several hundred dollars, order something inexpensive from the manufacturer. For example, a spare clip, which you might need anyway, and make it clear that you wish to have it sent as mentioned above. If they are obedient and you receive the item, without the package being tampered with, chances are, the more expensive item will get through, also.
I would, in an case, avoid buying used items, through mail order, for the simple reason that dogs are trained to detect residue left from consumed propulsion fuel

[cambeul41]

Chisel Head --

Thank you for the comments and suggestion. I had in fact been thinking about a factory visit, direct puchase, and shipping from there -- perhaps duty free. I can always dream.

[Bohemus]

Little update and exhumation:
EFMJ become forbidden for handguns, but you can still buy and carry them in long firearms...

[kurtmax]

Take a look at the "sporting use" definition for pistols. I imagine that the barrel is too short and/or the caliber is too small.

Also, have some aspirin at the ready. US firearms import laws are egregiously nonsensical.

Yep. Glocks in .380 aren't imported into the US either. Even my Glock 19 has to have cheapo plastic 'target shooting' sights when imported, and were replaced with real sights in GA.