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ziadel
April 27, 2005, 07:13 PM
well peeps, Montana seems to need certified welders something fierce...

so I am seriously considering a move there.


anyone wanna tell me about the firearm community in extreme north eastern montana?

open carry legal?
machine guns?

can I just bring my pistol out there and carry on my NY CCW until I get a montana license? (I'm not surrendering the NY CCW becuase I am maintaining a residency in NY)

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Standing Wolf
April 27, 2005, 07:29 PM
Montana is 738 miles across. You haven't really sat until you've driven across Montana. It's a beautiful state, but there's quite a bit more of it than you might figure just from looking at maps.

Whew!

TallPine
April 27, 2005, 08:10 PM
open carry legal?
yes

machine guns?
no state restrictions, AFAIK

can I just bring my pistol out there and carry on my NY CCW until I get a montana license?
not sure if NY permits are honored - check packing.org

BTW, concealed carry outside of city limits is legal without a permit :)

anyone wanna tell me about the firearm community in extreme north eastern montana?
the whole state is a firearm community ;)
But you better plan on getting some long johns and insulated Carharts for the winters :p
That is about the most "remote" area of the Lower 48

Fudgie Ghost
April 27, 2005, 08:16 PM
Well, I can't tell you anything about Montana, except I'd like to go there. . . but this girl just moved there a year ago, and she seems to love it. Check it out:www.forevervain.com

dasmi
April 27, 2005, 08:23 PM
Holy crap. Kit is hot :)

heypete
April 27, 2005, 08:26 PM
Holy crap. Kit is hot

Yes, indeedy. :D

I find the "Gun pr0n" section to be exceptionally entertaining.

Now I just need to find another woman just like her, except wanting to have kids. I've got plenty o' time before I plan to get hitched, so I can keep my eyes and options open.

ZeroX
April 27, 2005, 08:28 PM
but this girl just moved there a year ago, and she seems to love it. Check it out:www.forevervain.com

*flies to Montana*

dasmi
April 27, 2005, 08:28 PM
I may have found one like her. A female friend of mine has been asking me quite often about a gun for self defense. We're going shooting when she gets back from the Hawaii :D

280PLUS
April 27, 2005, 09:13 PM
:p

labrat
April 27, 2005, 09:57 PM
Madkiwi and I are considering moving there too. We have been privileged enough to have visited Kit as she lives very near my mother in Missoula. Kit has her FFL and is doing business as Naked Arms. I think she would probably be willing to answer any questions you send to her.

Madkiwi and I have hauled our gear in to Montana for going to the range up in Libby (NW corner) as well as Missoula. No problems. Probably more worries getting back in to Kali with all the EBRs.

Regarding NE Montana, I believe it is the coldest part of the state. Definitely use the cold weather gear there.

Fudgie Ghost
April 27, 2005, 10:02 PM
Interesting thing about the weather in Montana. I have always thought the winters there were brutal. But I've been reading Kit's journal pretty regularly this past year, and it didn't seem like it got that cold, or got that cold for very long. Does Missoula stay warmer than other parts of Montana?

Now that I've said that, Kit did mention it was snowing heavily yesterday. . . :o

Lennyjoe
April 27, 2005, 10:09 PM
My wifes uncle used to live in Hamilton Montana. When I was stationed in Tacoma Wa. we used to drive out and see him. Its a beautiful state. Deer for miles. An outdoor paradise. Until the snow hits. It gets pretty darn cold up there. Winters are tough but the spring/summer/fall is absolutely beautiful.

CB900F
April 27, 2005, 10:30 PM
Fella's;

Montana, I'm a resident. Urbanish areas; Billings (I can't stand the place), Bozeman & Missoula are both college towns & liberal oriented when compared to most of the state, Great Falls, Helena, and the Kalispell/Flathead/Glacier area. Many out-of-staters have moved into the Bozeman, Missoula-Bitterroot valley, and Kalispell sections of the state.

Great Falls is stodgy, very slow growth, and military. If you want to get out in the mountains & away, but still have access to a grocery store, look at Libby or Lewistown. If you don't like mountains, perhaps Roundup, Jordan, or Circle. Do keep in mind that it'll only take the odd century or two for your family to become integrated into the rural communities.

However, in the rural communities, shooting is still a way of life. Not so in some of the above mentioned areas.

900F

mcneill
April 27, 2005, 10:36 PM
tell me about Montana...

Glacier National Park is the prettiest country I've ever seen. Now that's saying something coming from an old Texas boy. :)

Jim

FPrice
April 27, 2005, 10:37 PM
I've talked to Tallpine in the past about Montana. My wife is not thrilled, but I think it might be a nice place to live. If only I didn't have so much famly ties back here.

labrat
April 27, 2005, 10:39 PM
Compared to **********, even Missoula is nice. Much better up in Libby. Not much experience with any other cities 'cept maybe Bozeman which is also nice compared to Kali.

I forgot to mention that my step-dad didn't seem to have problems finding a welder to do some work for him (he welds in his shop a bit too, but doesn't have the skills of a professional) but that was in Missoula.

Also, the Missoula Valley has some wierd inversion thing going on which keeps the weather much less severe than other parts of the state. From what I've heard from my mom, this winter has been less severe than winters past though.

crt360
April 27, 2005, 11:09 PM
I've been there a few times and thought the west (part with the mountains) was great. The flat part wasn't anything special. I had a girlfriend about ten years ago who liked Montana so much she moved up there and I've seen her only once since. If you've got good paying work lined up and don't mind a really cold winter, check it out.

Keep in mind that when Yellowstone (super volcano) blows, everyone in southwest Montana will be toast.

saddlebum
April 27, 2005, 11:12 PM
coldest i've ever been : whitefish in january

labrat
April 27, 2005, 11:16 PM
I've driven from Missoula to Bozeman during a snowstorm in February and I dont' think it was terribly cold compared to other parts of the state.

Tyril
April 27, 2005, 11:29 PM
Borodin: Do you think they will let me live in Montana?
Capt. Ramius: I would think they'll let you live wherever you want.
Borodin: Good. Then I will live in Montana. And I will marry a round American woman, and raise rabbits, and she will cook them for me. And I will have a pick-up truck, or umm... possibly even...a recreational vehicle, and drive from state to state. Do they let you do that?
Capt. Ramius: Oh yes.
Borodin: No papers?
Capt. Ramius: No papers. State-to-state.


-mike

labrat
April 27, 2005, 11:35 PM
I love that movie and remember that dialog well...

theCZ
April 28, 2005, 12:37 AM
Missoula's inversion layer keeps the winters mild, but also keeps the clouds in for weeks at a time. I'd take colder winters with blue skys over a Missoula winter personally.

Libertyteeth
April 28, 2005, 03:05 AM
There is an effort afoot to encourage freedom-oriented people to move to Montana. http://www.freewest.org has a lot of archived articles and information of interest to people considering migrating to Montana / Wyoming / Idaho.

Other groups / lists concerning the Western "Triad" freedom migration:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FreeMontanaProject/?yguid=126065389

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/W-A-L/

The parts of Montana with the mildest Winters are the mountain valleys in the western half of the state, because the mountains shield the valleys from some of the Canadian Arctic storms and wind. The northeast section has fairly fierce Winters comparable to the upper midwest. The northeast section was also a stronghold for the old socialist-progressive Non-Partisan League in the 1920s, and they are still socially conservative and economically socialist in that part of the state.

The parts of the state that have robust economies and lots of job opportunities are also in the western half (Billings also has a good economy). Most of the eastern half of Montana is steadily losing population, so while jobs may be scarce, housing is cheap. See the freewest.org site for much more detail on this and all questions relevant to a contemplated move.

Come on out -- we need help in holding the line, and may be even able to increase our freedom with reinforcements.

chevrofreak
April 28, 2005, 03:50 AM
Welcome to Montana, now get out ;)

MTMilitiaman
April 28, 2005, 04:26 AM
Montana is a wonderful place to live. We received an "F" by the Brady Campaign. That has to tell you something.

Montana is "shall issue" but as far as I know, you only need a liscence to carry concealed. Open carry is technically still completely legal in Montana, though the soccor moms frown on it in the more liberal parts of the state, like Bozeman, or worse yet, Missoula. I have personally been held at gunpoint by the police while some friends and I ate french fries on a picnic table with a shotgun and .22 sitting next to me while we waited for a friend to come pick us up. My friend's car started spewing oil and knowing that it was completely legal, we opted to carry the guns to the phone so save our ride the trouble.
My brother and I walk around with guns all summer long and never get in trouble though. My grandpa has a 200 yard rifle range on his property. Usually whenever we want to go shooting we can go there or walk pretty much anywhere out in the woods and shoot.

I think this will have alot of the information you seek:
http://data.opi.state.mt.us/bills/mca_toc/45_8_3.htm

Give me a couple min (hours) and I will see if I can't figure out how to post images here. I have a great one of a sunset over the Flathead Lake near Polson that I took on the way home from Glacier with some friends of mine.

Economy isn't that great but I love Montana. For the gun owner and hunter, it doesn't get much better.

TallPine
April 28, 2005, 10:41 AM
I was in Missoula last Friday and the traffic was terrible :( Bumper to bumper all the way up and down Reserve Street.

I was glad to finally get back on I-90 and get over the mountains to the open part of the state.

BTW, central and even eastern MT has some nice pineywood hill country. Not mountains but very pretty. Wild turkeys and deer. :)

The place right next door to me is for sale, but overpriced IMO.

ziadel
April 28, 2005, 10:32 PM
it sounds really peasant...

I'll post up some more specific areas when I talk to more potential employers :)


thanks guys.

FPrice
April 28, 2005, 10:41 PM
The place right next door to me is for sale, but overpriced IMO.

Is this listed anywhere online?

drj3828
April 28, 2005, 10:57 PM
I am in Texas by birth but my mother was born in Miles City and raised there. I have family all over the state my uncle has forty sections between Miles city and Cohagain(SP?) My other cousins have around three hundred acres thirty miles from Idaho. I would move up there in a heart beat but my wife can not take the cold to good.
I think you can't go wrong going there!
Dennis

Bob R
April 29, 2005, 12:01 AM
Oh..Oh..Oh...Montana Pictures. Well I will try to keep it to one.

I live in one of the most depressed parts of the state. I live on the Blackfeet Indian reservation. The town (?) I live in is one of those places your mother told you to avoid. People talk about Browning as a place to pass through. But, there is some good here, the annual Indian Days in July is one of those. Well, that may be the only one.

Anyhow, I am close to Glacier National Park, and Waterton Park in Canada. It is unbelievably beautiful here.

This is a pic of Alpenglow. The glow on the mountains in the early morning. The sun is still over the eastern horizon and the refracted light lights up the mountains. There is nothing better than being out a 6am when there is nothing stirring, and just soaking it all up. A great way to wind down from a 12 hour night of work.

bob

Like others said, Montana is BIG. You will need to check out each specific region. Where in the NE are you looking at? If you like to hunt birds, the NE is great.

Anyhow, come on over and visit. Bring the wife and spend some time touring the highline (US hiway 2). Stop by and we can throw some cow on the grill. Unless of course I have some elk or buffalo left over.

FPrice
April 29, 2005, 12:10 AM
Well I will try to keep it to one.

That pic was so beautiful that I have set it as my wallpaper. Thanks for posting it.

Libertyteeth
April 29, 2005, 12:27 AM
Montana has Winter, variably, from about late November to late February to mid March, depending on the elevation, and the year.

But the mountain valleys are actually semi-arid, and get relatively little snow, and only 10-20 inches of precipitation per year. The mountains get a lot of snow, and the runoff furnishes much of the state's water. The mountain valleys are where most people live, except for Billings and Great Falls. Even in areas with abundant wind, such as around Ennis, Livingston and the Yellowstone valley, along the Rocky Mountain Front, and across the high plains, if you have trees and hills, you can find some shelter from the winds. You can always tell a Californian. They build on top of a high hill, for the great view, then wonder why they can't keep their windows from blowing out.

Montana has a lot a microclimates. If you are going to move here, I recommend you rent a room or bring a travel trailer or motorhome, and do some serious investigating before you buy a rural property. Think about such things as road access year round, Winter snow and who's going to plow the road, Spring mud, wind, electricity availability, well drilled or not,and local climate zones for gardening (the Gallatin valley has a lot of local gardening microclimates).

The cold is generally a drier cold than normally seen in the upper midwest or northeast, or anywhere the humidity is high when it is cold. If it is really cold in Montana, double-digits below zero, it will be a dry cold, and I don't find it to be really uncomfortable, but you do have to treat it with respect. Especially if there is wind, but often it is dead still, with ice crystals all over the tree branches. I find still cold, with a bright sun, to be kind of exhilarating, even if it is 30 below.

In contrast, the coldest I have ever been was in San Francisco, on a cold, overcast December, in the 30's, with a breeze. Even though I had on a down coat, the humidity just drove the cold into my bones.

phoglund
April 29, 2005, 03:28 PM
Libertyteeth seems to have given the best summation. If you would like to see more pictures go here:

http://wardragon.com/pictures.htm

Most of those are from either my front yard or back yard and all within a mile of my home. Sometimes when I wake in the morning and go out to feed the horses I just can't help but smile a great big smile at the sheer beauty of the surroundings! You won't make the best money in the world in Montana and some of the housing is starting to get expensive (Like in Bozeman or Missoula) but the quality of life is outstanding. I enjoy the mountains too much to consider living in the Eastern part of the state however. Good luck with your decision.

theCZ
April 29, 2005, 04:45 PM
Bob R, I concur with your assesment of Browning. I had a friend that I met in the dorms four years ago from Browning. Great guy, but it sounds like he's one of the rare ones that goes on to more education.

Libertyteeth
April 29, 2005, 05:06 PM
Phoglund, Those scenes of the Bridgers and Ross' peak are mighty fine. I live in Manhattan, just a few miles to the West. Howdy, neighbor. :)

mr.trooper
April 29, 2005, 09:33 PM
What if we have relatives in Montana??? would that help me out any, or would i still be a Furiner'??? I ask becouse my relative (call her cousin Jane) operates a cattle ranch in Montana. she usualy comes to visit us here in Michiana once or twice a year. i would LOVE to go visit her some time.

Now, i love indiana, but it looks like all the city-dwellers finaly figured out how nice of a state it is and have started buying up all the fields and woodlots to build housing developments :rolleyes: Its just getting too crowded.

I long for the simpler days i used to know. i PROMISE i wouldnt complain abou the cold(iv seen doule didgets below zero also :p ), i wouldnt build my house in rediculous locations, and i would NEVER talk about "how we used to do it back home...".

Can i move out to Montana PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE ????

rwc
April 29, 2005, 10:24 PM
My wife's from Great Falls. I prefer Helena myself.

FYI - There is a lot of energy development in WYO lately and I imagine a good welder could name his price out there right now.

Have fun.

Libertyteeth
April 30, 2005, 12:14 AM
mr. trooper, Sounds like you would fit right in.

Here is an article by a friend of mine which I think sums it up well. This was written when the Free State Project was trying to decide on one state for everyone to move to. Fat chance that I for one would ever move back East.

Libertyteeth

http://freewest.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=282

Montana: Bring Guns And Money

by Quincy OrHai, Bozeman, Montana

I find it highly ironic to be writing an essay extolling the reasons why Montana should be the Free State of choice, when for years I've been downplaying the awesome beauty and easy, relaxed social atmosphere of my adopted state. Frankly, I and most Montanans don't really want a bunch more city folks moving up here and jacking up land prices and diluting the laid back ambience of our state. So generally when we are traveling out of the land of the free (as I usually refer to Montana) and queried by some city dude about what it's like up here on the highline, we will say something about how we really like nine months of winter (the other three months are road construction). It barely got cold last winter, only fifty degrees. Below. Or we marvel about how few of our children were killed by rattlesnakes last year. Maybe we'll casually suggest that you don't hug the grizzlies, pet the elk or try to ride the buffalo, as these critters usually score at least a few human casualties every year. Anything to discourage would be immigrants.

So why am I daring to promote, on the internet no less, a place I dearly love and wish to remain untrammeled? Well, I guess I'm hoping that anyone with the gumption to consider packing up and moving to a state with the hope of helping create political influence for liberty will actually be an asset here, rather than another "Let's remake the place in the image of LA" type. ...

Bob R
April 30, 2005, 12:30 AM
mr. trooper,

You seem like a nice polite person who would be an asset to the free state of Montana. I am not to sure the days are simpler, double digit cold is not to bad.

I love the early morning after a nice snowfall, the dry snow crunching under my boots as I head out to the first coyote stand of the day, the quiet so noticable because it IS so quiet.

Then again, I have seen 4-6 inches of snow overnight, just to have it blow away when the wind picks up. I don't know where it goes, it just goes. All that is left is a few drifts and streaks of snow where the wind didn't scrub it away.

Here are a few more pics to entice you.

As Horace Greeley said, "Go west, young man".

Lower Two Medicine Lake on the east side of Glacier NP
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Bob8251/100_0567.jpg

Looking down a valley carved by a glacier. From near the summit of Going to the Sun road.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Bob8251/100_0168.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Bob8251/100_0167.jpg

Not quite moonset, not quite sunrise.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Bob8251/100_0304.jpg

Come on out and visit sometime.

bob

mr.trooper
April 30, 2005, 01:31 AM
To libertyteeth and Bob:

Heheh, don't tell me about the Bears and the Rattle-snakes, and the snow. You'l only encourage me! :p

Boy Howdy those Pics were gorgeous. i LOVE mountains. The best part of the 13 hour drive i make to and from College is crossing the Appilatchian mountains! i can only dream of what it would be like to stand at the top of a BIG mountain...and to hunt things larger than a white tail deer!

I got to stop thinking about this or it will drive me crazy. If i ever get out to montana ll be sure to come visit you guys. ;)

ziadel
May 3, 2005, 02:23 PM
ok, I guess one of the closer towns to where they are drilling for oil is called Plentywood? anyone know anything about that specifically? Extreme Northeast, supposedly its 15 minutes from the canadian border, and a bit over an hour away from Deadwood (cool) :D

Libertyteeth
May 4, 2005, 02:29 AM
I've never been there (or anywhere near), but here is some information on Plentywood, Montana

http://www.gndc.org/plenty.htm
http://www.blairranch.com/plentywood.htm
http://www.city-data.com/city/Plentywood-Montana.html

TallPine
May 4, 2005, 11:10 AM
Extreme Northeast, supposedly its 15 minutes from the canadian border, and a bit over an hour away from Deadwood (cool)
A bit over an hour ...?

Like maybe three hours over an hour, at least :rolleyes:

BTW, property is pretty cheap up in that country, due to the isolation and extreme climate (both heat and cold). Before buying our place, we saw 160 acres with house and barn and other buildings for around $125K.

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