Over and Under vs Side by Side for trap? Why so many O/U?


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macrophage
April 27, 2005, 10:43 PM
I am just really getting into trap. It is way addicting. Anyway, I have been shooting it with a gas gun, which works, but shoots the hulls about 10 feet directly to the right. I have been hitting the guy next to me with the empties when we shoot a full group. Not very nice, so I have been looking for a good break action with extractors, not ejectors.

Well, anyway, I have a friend who wants to sell me his Huglu side by side 12 ga shottie. A 103c, I believe. However, most of the guys I see down there are using over and unders, not side by sides. Is there a real difference for a beginner like me?

Another question, whats a good asking price for a never been shot, in the original box Huglu?

Last bragging point... Got my first 22 out of 25 score yesterday! (way big grin)

Mac

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Okiecruffler
April 27, 2005, 11:13 PM
The theory holds that it's easier to hit with the single plane of the O/U. My experience has been that the narrow sight plane just looks plain silly and you need those two big old tubes to keep you shooting straight. But then again I cut my teeth on a SXS, so I'd suggest you take a real good look around you. Somethings gotta be keeping all those O/Uers on the line, and it sure ain't aesthetics. :barf:

sm
April 27, 2005, 11:34 PM
Okie - you forgot the part where one's eyes are "OO" not in a "8" ( figure eight) configuration. :D

Okie is correct in the single sighting plane in regard as to being "best" for trap and skeet. Truth is single sighting planes , be it O/U or semis rule the clay game/ sports.

Just like 28 ga scores are the best in skeet- look at any tote board and it is that evident.

Trap with rising targets - get a O/U if you are serious about being a competitior. I don't know how the gun you mentioned will hold up over the long haul. Don't know about service when and if you need.

I for instance competed in Skeet, I shot 25K rds in a year in 12 ga alone. I shot the other 3 gauges as well. My guns had to hold up. The gas gun - a SuperXModel 1 held up...is still holding up. One has - I dunno easy to say 200K+ rds thru it.

My Citori's held up...

SxS have been the preferred and proven design for "driven birds" forever.

ME, I don't compete anymore - per se' :evil:
I like using a pump gun - a 870 for everything.
I like using single shot shot shotguns still. Even I have run 50/50 in trap using a H&R Topper...Done it with a SxS too...A Parker.

SxS I like and respect. 311 is a fine example. I drooled and still lust for a 20 ga I saw in Tulsa...

I can see me toting a SxS and using for everything...done it before.

GreenFurniture
April 27, 2005, 11:40 PM
If you're going to shoot trap, and nothing else, do yourself a favor and get a single barrelled trap gun with a 32-34" bbl.

For sporting clays, get an O/U with 30-32" bbl.

Skeet an auto with a 24-26" bbl.

And for hunting a SxS with a 28" bbl.

And now, we can talk about our favorite chokes.

sm
April 28, 2005, 12:43 AM
GreenFurniture,

Ya know, I knew I liked the way you think for a reason. :)

I agree with longer bbls for everything - Including Skeet. Being a Skeeter...my personal guns run 28 " bbls on everything. This was before longer bbls were really avail.

I shoot low gun, yeah even when the Trap folks let me ( a skeeter) on the Hallowed Trap grounds. [ old razzing here folks :p ] One can mount to face a long tube - even them 34" just as smooth and fast as short one.

I used the SuperX Model 1 Target 2 bbl set. Fixed choked 30" for trap,( yeah I even stuck the shell catcher on it) and 26 " for skeet.

Then I had Nu-Line take that bbl on a SX1 Field grade - a 28" fixed mod bbl and do the external knurled chokes. I got to where I used that for everything, from quail to skeet to to ducks/ geese...and onto the trap line with mud still caked on it...darn skeeters " ain't got no couth". :p

theCZ
April 28, 2005, 12:52 AM
I use an auto (Rem. 1100) for both trap and skeet. I just got my first 50/50 a few weeks ago with it, so I know that you can do just fine with your auto. If you want to keep the empties from flying out, you can get a thick rubber band to keep them from being ejected, or buy a shell catcher from Brownells. On the other hand, I tried a guy's Benelli autoloader on sunday for skeet. It had a single bright orange bead at the end of the barrel that looked kinda like a tiny clay pigeon sitting on the barrel, distracting as heck!

jzzmusician
April 28, 2005, 01:31 AM
I always found an o/u much easier to shoot than a side by side.

Shooting with both eyes open, you can see a lot more with only one sight plane. When I was shooting trap I shot everything but ended up with o/u. They just worked better for me.

jzz

No_Brakes23
April 28, 2005, 02:33 AM
Maybe it is because I have never fired one, but the whole idea of a SXS seems counter intuitive. I mean, how is it right to be aiming off center?

But they obviously work, cause people use them. I just don't get it.

arcticap
April 28, 2005, 03:32 AM
1. I haven't seen a side by side on the trap line yet in 3 years of shooting.
2. Why does this guy want to sell you his Huglu? Why isn't he shooting it and will he let let you try it out first?
3. I moved from an auto to a BT-99 with a 34 inch barrel. The high rib helps a lot. When I had a trigger spring problem, the gun was sent to Browning to get fixed under warranty and was back quickly. Can you say the same about Huglu? Have you ever fired a gun with a high rib? It may be just the ticket for you to shoot 25/25.
4. How much have you shopped around to check out what may be available in your price range new/used in your "county" or region? Have you done any legwork? I would hate to see you disappointed or lose ground in pursuit of your trap goals. :D

SamlautRanger
April 28, 2005, 05:47 AM
Just trying them out, it seems O/Us fit better in the front hand due to the slimmer profile.

Dave McCracken
April 28, 2005, 07:20 AM
While SxS shotguns still show up in the field, their use for clays is limited. One can hear lots of reasons for this, but the fact remains the O/U rules the range.

Those who can shoot anything favor the O/U overwhemingly.

If you're looking for a clays shotgun, keep looking.

JohnBT
April 28, 2005, 08:43 AM
No_Brakes23 - The reason is that shotguns are pointed, not aimed. You point the gun at the target; not aim it with the bead. Some people don't even have a bead on their guns. My father recently told me that a great uncle used to file the beads off of all his shotguns as soon as he got them.

Try an exercise: Look out the window at a small bird and quickly point your index finger at it. Easy right? Would it have been easier with a bead on the end of your finger? :)

John

Kingcreek
April 28, 2005, 01:18 PM
Ever try to fit a Side-by-side neatly in the gun rack?
That's the real reason why you only see Over-unders, Semis, and Single barrel trap guns.
Years ago, I went to the trap range with my Browning SxS, shot only from low mount. Only broke 21/25 but I could have done better if the old trap fartz would have butted out and not tried to "coach" me every shot on "proper" form. (I think i drove 'em nuts)

macrophage
April 29, 2005, 02:35 PM
Thanks for all your advices. I'll save up my money for a good O/U instead of the SxS. You guys are excellent.

Mac.

Okiecruffler
April 29, 2005, 02:50 PM
I don't think anyone suggested you not buy a SXS, just not to use it as a trap gun. :D

JohnBT
April 29, 2005, 06:25 PM
Exactly. It's not a question of what to buy, it's a question of what to buy first. JT

kbheiner7
April 29, 2005, 06:58 PM
It really depends on what you like and what you're used to.

I love the look and romance of the SxSs, but it looks plain huge when brought to my shoulder. I cut my scattergun teeth on a pump and moved on to autos, so the OU looks OK to me.

If you like the look and feel of the gun you're considering - go for it.

redneck2
April 30, 2005, 02:57 PM
Haven't shot trap in a long time, but perhaps the side by side barrels may block out the rising bird. Restricted view

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