M-14 $320

\http://www.marstar.ca/Norinco/M-305.htm

Not a bad price, I think. Is the price so low because of the ban on importing them to the USA?

It's funny that they have notices all over the site saying how they can't ship things to the US, and yet they've got a link for converting currency to US dollars.

HOLY CRAP! I had no idea Norinco made so many pistol varients. If only they were able to import stil.... :( I like having name brand, but cheap beaters are definatly fun!

They sell other non-Norinco items that they ship to the U.S., that is what the currency converter is for. They cannot, however, ship any Norinco products to the U.S. In any case it is yet another stupid law that we can thank Slick Willy for. :cuss: I wouldn't mind having one of these myself.

So, if the tewwible Slick Willy got us this law, why isn't George W. Bush, the great supporter of the 2nd Amendment, lifting a finger to undo this idiocy?

I think George HW. Bush was the one who banned the import of some "Military type" weapons.

Interesting how someone can get on our bad side for selling weapons technology to our enemies, but people forget Iran-Contra and the like. :banghead:

I think George HW. Bush was the one who banned the import of some "Military type" weapons.
I thought it was more anti-China than anti-military weapons; like Norinco basically being an arm of the Chinese military.

I don't understand why they don't just ship them in under a different name like they do with their shotguns.

They sell other non-Norinco items that they ship to the U.S., that is what the currency converter is for. They cannot, however, ship any Norinco products to the U.S. In any case it is yet another stupid law that we can thank Slick Willy for. I wouldn't mind having one of these myself.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/5/27/133053.shtml

http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/week/030530.htm

I was not aware that Clinton is currently the President of the US. Perhaps I am misinformed. :rolleyes: Bush imposed a ban on imports from the China North Industries Group (Norinco) on 23 May 2003. According to the State Department, this was done because China (Norinco is owned by the PLA, China's Army) is supplying materials to Iran's missile program.

Wow!

Is there any way to get around this import ban? :confused:

Is there any way to get around this import ban?

Move to Canada. :D

The Norinco weapons ban was there before the more general everything-manufactured-by-Norinco ban, IIRC. Started by Bush I or Slick Willie.

Or maybe not. I guess I am not positive.

I think the ban under clinton banned "military-type" weapons in the mid 90's. Then Bush 2 banned everything by Norinco a little later. Shotguns are not considered 'military" weapons for some obscure reason.

And not to be rude or anything, but why give money to the Chicoms for ripping off Czech, Swiss/German, American, and other designs and then selling them to us cheap? I would pay five times the cost for a SIG or CZ over a Norinco because I would rather send my currency other places than China, which remains our biggest enemy in the world.

Ash

... but why give money to the Chicoms for ripping off Czech, Swiss/German, American, and other designs and then selling them to us cheap?

Because (like on their 1911s) the quality of construction is sometimes better than what you can find here in the US.

And also because some of us don't have $1500+ laying around for an M1A.

Here is what their website says about which president banned Norincos:

"Unfortunately the reason we cannot ship Norinco firearms to the United States is the same reason many Norinco firearms, the M-305 rifle in particular, are difficult (or impossible) to find in new condition on the U.S. market. Former President Bill Clinton signed an executive order banning the importation of most firearms manufactured by the Chinese. It is our understanding most of the Norinco (and Polytech) products on the U.S. market were imported before these bans came into effect."

Click http://www.marstar.ca/Norinco/US-import.htm if you want to see for yourself. I cannot vouch for the veracity of this statement, but reading it is what led me to make my previous statement about thanking Slick Willy for this situation. So in response to some of your comments, I too wish that Bush would fix it rather than do nothing. Clinton actively banned guns, Bush just doesn't do anything to ban or unban them. So if given the choice between a crusading anti-2A leftist and a passive do-nothing wuss (when it comes to RKBA), I'll take the wuss anyday. What we really need is to elect someone with the nads to repeal all *unconstitutional* anti-2A legislation, but I guess that's really the supreme court's job now isn't it? I don't suppose that you'd rather see a rabid gun-graber like Gore or a "smile with a shotgun for the cameras while I sign legislation to ban it" hipocrite like Kerry as president?

"Important Notice to American Clients: while the 1994 Crime Bill (assault weapons ban) has ended, Chinese-made Norinco firearms are still prohibited from entering the United States under a different U.S. import ban. We would love to sell these firearms to Americans but the U.S. government will not let us."

Lol, what a crock. BTW even if Clinton signed the original executive order, shouldn't it have expired by now? I don't want to say that in the big picture R's and D's are identical, but it seems to me Bush would have had to sign the same executive order to keep it alive.

BTW Ash, you make a good point, but it's not a good idea. See if you want to influence government or corporation policy through economic means you need to do it in a big way, it has to hurt them more than it hurts you. A 1-man boycott, even a thousand 1-man boycotts mean nothing, you have to organize, collective stuff. It's all irrelevant though, because your government already made the boycott official. The crock is that it's just to hurt you, and pisses off China, who will some day retaliate in some economic way, and ordinary people suffer more, and so on.

Move to Canada.

NOOOOOOOOO! :uhoh:

Man that is nice, and the price is right. Even though we cannot get them in the US, I would be real interested in learning how new Norincos compare to Springfield production rifles.

Makes you wonder why Springfield Armory charges more than twice as much.

Because they can and people pay it

To be clear. clinton banned the importation of these weapons (along with the Korean's stuff which really hurt/killed an ally's arms industry).

No, Bush hasn't done anything to do away with it. However, I think he has his hands full and isn't going to burn political capital over this.

Also, I don't like supporting the CHICOM's either. Try hard to not buy things made in China. However, it's tough.

China isn't going anywhere guys.


The United States needs to begin to accept it is not the lone superpower again.

BTW even if Clinton signed the original executive order, shouldn't it have expired by now?

It's my understanding that Executive Orders do not expire, and can only be undone or changed by another Executive Order.

Keep in mind that these guys are work mates in a way. If Bush undid all of Clinton's exec orders, the next Demo Pres would simply undo Bush's EOs and reenact the former ones. You scratch my back, I scratch yours kinda deal.

Holy Shoot that's just creepy then! http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/executive_orders/disposition_tables.html we're at executive order thirteen thousand three hundred and seventy four, 13,374. That's a lot of 'legal clarifications'. Wikipedia says only 2 have ever been denied, one was Truman trying to place all steel mills directly under national contol! I searched for Norinco or China NOrth, and found 9 under Clinton that had China in them, but couldn't find the exact one.

Why not act customs for that section 6 form, and then if they say 'no' ask them to show you where it's written that they should say no? Maybe they can't find it and they'll consent?

It's my understanding that Executive Orders do not expire, and can only be undone or changed by another Executive Order.

Congress can override an EO. EO's can have expiration dates included. "You cannot do this for a period of x years." Bush's EO ban on Norinco was 2 years.

Speaking of which, the last Norinco ban should expire around Sept 19, 2005.

http://www.nti.org/db/china/engdocs/chinsanc_0903.pdf

Bush's EO ban on Norinco was 2 years.
So how long was Clinton's?