Anyone here feeling the economic crunch?


March 15, 2003, 01:56 PM
Besides me?

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March 15, 2003, 01:58 PM
"Is anyone feeling the economic crunch in their shooting hobby?"

That's what you meant to say, right? ;)

March 15, 2003, 02:01 PM

March 15, 2003, 02:06 PM
Yes, the types of jobs I am looking for are pretty much frozen in California because the state economy is in the poo-poo.

This means I have to move elsewhere. Oh well! :D

March 15, 2003, 02:13 PM
Let me put it this way. There's a big gun show in Bozeman next weekend (21-23). I'll be looking, not buying. I could say more but it would belong in Legal and Political. Or at bladeforums under whine and cheese. :D

March 15, 2003, 02:45 PM
Well, yes. I just figured out my taxes and Uncle Sugar is going to be very happy with me this year. :( A least a quality gun or two's value going "for the children." :barf:

El Tejon
March 15, 2003, 03:28 PM
I feel the tax crunch (repeatedly).:( BigG, man, do I know your pain. I delude myself and say my checks go to buy ammo for Marines. Try it, it helps me.

As for the economic crunch, I choose not to participate.

March 15, 2003, 03:59 PM
I do access control; keypads, card readers, electric locking, etc. I have had a surge of work since 9/11. Guess I'm in one of the few industries that does well in bad times.....mixed blessing.


March 15, 2003, 04:09 PM
Well, working in the tax prep business has its perks. There is never a chance of the government stopping the income tax. That being said, we have seen better years.

March 15, 2003, 04:09 PM
Mine's a little self imposed (getting financial house in order) but three freaking years without a raise and high gas prices has hit hard.

Gun show this weekend and I'm not even going. Shooting what I've already got ammo for instead of buying ammo for guns I'd rather shoot (4506 getting a rest). Even sold quite a few guns...

If gas hits $3 a gallon I'm voting for Saddam in '04.

Bud Wiser
March 15, 2003, 05:47 PM
Let's face it the Economy is shot to Shi'ite and ain't getting any better.

I get around on the internet and checko out all the sites that list the latest Layoffs and it's really getting worse.

If you have a job, good for your side, but as the downward slide of the economy continues, don't know for how much longer your job will last....:eek:

Also, all the Citizens in the Reserves who got called up for Iraq Duty? While they're gone those Reservists in IT are being replaced by Foreign Talent who also work a lot cheaper, so if they are lucky to make it outta Saddam Land alive, when they come back they may not exactlly be welcome by the Boss....:what:

Anyhoo, checking out the Unemployment Stats gives you an eye opener, especially when Chemical Factories, Mines, Lumber Co's and now Ford & GM are shutting down some factories because of lack of demand.

When a Mine or Lumber Mill or Chemical Factory folds and closes their doors, it shows that things ain't gonna improve any time soon.

Stinking Motorola alone is building a $5 Billion Factory in Commie China and in the past year and a half they've fired tens of thousands of american employees. Motorola luvs the Chi-Coms so much....:cuss: Don't buy any Motorola Products, let 'em rot...

And there is talk about the value of housing, real estate, starting to take that early path down the shute to the crapper as housing has now stalled and is beginning to waver...just a bit, sorta like the hi-tech stocks did in early 2000, jsut before all hell broke out in that sector of the economy.

And of course our wonderful Fearless El Presidente El Hefe, Senor Jorge Bush, recently allowed Mexican Truck Drivers to drive all over the 48 states and compete with American Truck Drivers. Can y'all say " Slave Labor"? They work for $4.00 per hour, can American Truckers compete with that?:fire:

Oh, yeah, I'm just the Tider of Bad News, but the Truth is the Truth....

Things are gonna get tougher if Iraq is invaded, expect Domestic Terror on a Grand Scale in retalliation. Hope you're all ready to go if TSHTF....

Good Luck to all...:(

March 15, 2003, 05:51 PM
Some diversity here. Commercial constuction, telecom and small gun range. First one down and muddling thru after a pretty good run. Telecom crashed bigtime, but survivable (I think!).

CHL training soared for a while after 9/11 then got back to semi-slow normal. Due to cutbacks, layoffs, ect., lots of pistol people do not have disposable income for training, license and/or desired trigger time at range. But the bills go on. Electricity up again and property taxes soaring.

I saw somewhat of an unusual "lull" in demand for hunter ed. classes last fall. Offered more classes last year than ever, yet fewer students per class. Talked with quite a few folks who said they were not going to get to go deer hunting, unless on public lands (where I went yesterday). Many guys said unable to afford the leases, ammo, new toys, etc. (Gun related enough to keep going, Tam?)

Last night's coyote hunting was with a buddy who got laid off last year from big-salary + bous job in telecom industry. He invested part of his severance pay in welding equipment to work as an independent while going back to school - to become a doctor - and praying the feds will do something about the lawyers (ya readin' this, El Tejon ? :D ) and malpractice insurance premiums. Go figure. :confused:

March 15, 2003, 05:52 PM
How about an 87% hit in my investments? :what: Yeah, I'm feeling it...HARD! :banghead:

March 15, 2003, 06:16 PM
Oh Christ...let's see. Still living with my parents at 30+, no money in the bank, unemployed for three years, can't get a job with a M.Ed in English as a Second Language and five month computer training certificate under my belt, considering training as a bartending to find SOMETHING...uh, yes.:rolleyes:

March 15, 2003, 06:37 PM
Despite what I said above, it may be appropriate to also point out that we have much to be thankful for here. Our worst times are far better than the best times of some people on this earth!!!

Before this thread takes a more whiney path (to which I admiittedly contributed), think a bit about what they would give to be able to have a roof over their heads and guns to discuss with friends? Much less to have a full belly, computers and be literate enough to use them??? :)

March 15, 2003, 06:39 PM
And parents that love us and let us live with them for free while they help us find work, and pay for our bills, food, clothes, and give us an allowance for helping out that allows us to buy guns which they support including the range time....:D

March 15, 2003, 06:46 PM

Yeah, I know the feeling, especially about the computer certs.

I went to a school that closed before I got the certs that I wanted (Cisco). Got left with a tuition bill of $22,600. That sucks!!!!

At least I've got a job that helps to pay the bills, keeps a roof over my and the misses heads, and doesn't make me travel far to work.

Aside from that, I have no investments (all gone) and the kids are out on their own.

I still have my health, my parents are still alive, my wife and kids still(?) love me, I can hunt and fish to subsist (did that in '82-'85), I still have my "freedoms" and I live in a free country that let's me be what I want to be, sorta.

Hope everyone survives to make it to the next level.

March 15, 2003, 07:15 PM
Out of work going on 13 months. Can't get a job as a delivery driver (BSME, overqualified), Every opening has 300+ applicants, all younger than me. I'm guessing the economy won't start to perk up 'till after Iraq, so I'm anxious that we get on with it.

This, too, will pass eventually.

March 15, 2003, 07:33 PM
Count me in, funding for my last semester of college (next spring) is going to require a lot of penny-pinching. I picked up an on-campus job to fund my shooting, so I can devote my summer/winter break cash towards tuition.


Med 10
March 15, 2003, 08:11 PM
The only thing I feel is the bite at the gas pumps. As for my job? well, lets just say I have a recession proof profession.

Too bad it pays like $**t

I have had to put off buying an AR cause my wife got layed off from her private sector job.

Standing Wolf
March 15, 2003, 08:11 PM
I'd rather be in America in the leanest of lean years than anywhere else in the world in the best years.

March 15, 2003, 08:17 PM
I still have my job, but I have "lost" about 30% of the value of my meager retirement plan. I'm definately on a much tighter gun buying and shooting budget these days as well. There's just too much uncertainty, on so many fronts, right now.

March 15, 2003, 08:31 PM
My wife and I seem to be a contra indicator of some sort.
When everyone else is doing well, we don't do so well. Recently we were both making seeing more income than usual. My wife's job is fairly downturn proof. I 've been working harder, and trying to work smarter.

We've taken a hit in my IRA and a couple of mutual funds, but that was never money we intended to use now.

We have had to get some work done on the house this year, and buy a new computer since the old one self-destructed. I have a couple of gun purchases in mind. One of my arguments for buying them is going to be: "Honey, it'll help the economy if I buy them."

When the economy turns around we'll probably be broke, or at least badly bent, again.

March 15, 2003, 08:44 PM
El Tejon said:
As for the economic crunch, I choose not to participate.

I like your attitude. :)

March 15, 2003, 08:50 PM
Actually, I'm pre-retired and spend the annuity checks on guns and ammo. :D

March 15, 2003, 09:04 PM
Fortunately no.
I may get no respect, marginal pay and deal with the dregs of society, but I have job security. :D

March 15, 2003, 09:11 PM
After reading everything above, I've got no business complaining about the mandatory overtime. My line of work depends more on long, cold winters than anything else, and we've been working 6 and 7 day weeks since January to try to keep up. Seems like I've been burning the candle at both ends just to make ends meet, and I haven't been able to save enough for a new Bushmaster.

I'm very glad I moved my 401k to bonds 2 years ago.

March 15, 2003, 09:14 PM
I also have to send my eternal gratitude to my folks. I got activated (Air Gaurd) & then laid off halfway to my degree last year. I cannot afford to go to school so now I work for a pittance leaning heavily on the family for help. It looks like I will be activated again here real soon, which will help my money problems, but hurt the family while I am gone. I just want to get it over with and back to normal around here.

Thanks for letting me whine.

:D (cheer up, I have not had to sell all my guns!)

March 15, 2003, 09:48 PM
"Pre-retired"!:D :D :D

March 15, 2003, 10:47 PM
I have a roof over my head and food in the belly.I have a car that runs and gets me around.With the increase in gas prices and prices in grocery stores I have 0 extra bu tI am thankful for what I have.A lot of people have less.
I guess I am blessed

March 15, 2003, 10:47 PM
Over the past year or so, I've whined about my economic situation. So let me briefly summarize:

1. I'm self-employed as an advertising photographer.
2. Most companies have either cut advertising spending drastically or eliminated it altogether.
3. (1) + (2) = my income is 60% of what it was two years ago, and 40% of what it was just four years ago.

For those of you who are union, count your blessings that you have jobs, much less the wage increases you're fighting for.

Thank God for small houses and tuna casserole. ;)

March 15, 2003, 11:53 PM
been out of work for over 2 months now , REcieved letter from bank on foreclosure procedeings (there goes roof ) truck died last week cost me $500 to get it fixed (distributor gear broke off teeth ) bank calling on truck too. if I don't find work by the 7th of april will have to declare bankruptcy and quit the american dream .. at least family and friends have been supportive. My brother gives me internet service free ( thanks FRED ) so atleast I am able to be here . but I migh have to discontinue my meds and I don't want to go thru that hellish ordeal again (I lost too much of my life to this disease I have )

Sadness Mode . trying to turn off .

March 16, 2003, 12:45 AM
I'm broke, too. :(

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