I had a scary moment the other day.


April 29, 2005, 08:05 PM
Well my wife and I were at home sick the other day and at about 1:00 I see this gold Ford Explorer with two men inside pull up in front of my house, I didn’t have a clue who they were and they just sat there not getting out so I kept an eye on them. Well after a few minutes they got out and started walking toward my door, being sick and just lounging around the house I threw my shoes on and shoved my P7 under my belt and met them where the sidewalk meets the steps.

The taller of the two asked “are you Mr.XXXXX” and I replied “yes, may I help you”, he pulled out his wallet and flipped it open where I could see a big gleaming badge with to my surprise the words “ ATF Agent” on it!!!

At this moment my mind is running about a million thought’s a second, almost to the point of a total mental shutdown, (as some of you guys know) I have pretty large firearms collection and my first thoughts were they were here to ask why I have so many or maybe even take them. I knew I had nothing to hide as 99% of everything I own was bought from two very reputable sporting goods stores but standing there with an ATF badge in my face I couldn’t help but think the worst was about to happen and I’m sure it showed on the look I gave him.

The next words out of my mouth was about to be “you are not coming in my home without a search warrant” but before I could speak he asked if my wife was home, now my brain felt like it missed going into 4th gear and slammed into reverse with a grinding change in direction, before the wheels started going in the other direction there was a brief moment of bliss that in words meant “I’m not going to jail, she is!!!! awesome!” but then that whole “for better or worse” thing popped in there and I felt at least obligated to stall them so she could escape out the back door or yell RUN HONEY RUN!!.

Well commonsense and lack of a better option set in and I answered “yes she is, what may I ask is this about”? He said it was about a store that my wife worked at part time for a few weeks when she lost her real job (due to massive lay off’s), it burned to the ground from an arson and the owner who was in major financial trouble was the suspect.

The other man turned out to be a fire marshal and it seems the ATF sometimes investigates arson, go figure!

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April 29, 2005, 08:10 PM
ATF and fire marshall - indeed, a strange combination. Maybe Mr ATF was having a slack day!! :)

For you tho - PHEW!!!

April 29, 2005, 08:14 PM
So has your heart started back up yet? :D

April 29, 2005, 08:19 PM
It must be the explosives :)

From the BATFE site:

"For April 29, 2005

ATF Director Announces New Online Learning Program for Fire Investigators

WASHINGTON – Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) Director Carl J. Truscott and Michael Schlatman, president of the International Association of Arson Investigators, today announced the launch of a new online learning program for fire investigators called CFITrainer.net."

April 29, 2005, 08:21 PM
“I’m not going to jail, she is!!!!

I almost sprayed Gatorade all over my monitor!!! :D


April 29, 2005, 08:22 PM
"Keep breathing. That's the key. Breathe." - Gimli, son of Gloin

A difficult thing to do when the right hand of Big Brother flashes a badge in your direction.

April 29, 2005, 08:24 PM
“I’m not going to jail, she is!!!! awesome!”


April 29, 2005, 09:05 PM
Alfa Tango Foxtrot at my front door would have made me wish I was wearing depends at the time........ Glad it was only an arson investigation and nothing firearms related.

April 29, 2005, 09:17 PM
Glad it was only odd for a moment or three. Negotiating 101 - let the other guy do the talking and be quiet until he's done, and then be quiet for a minute more.

God gave one two ears and one mouth because it's always twice as important to listen than talk.

April 30, 2005, 11:48 PM
You know, as you set it up, I kept thinking, "This is one of those 'robbers pretending to be cops' thing". Glad it turned out OK.

April 30, 2005, 11:54 PM
what antibubba said

April 30, 2005, 11:57 PM
OK, did you let them in the house, or did your wife just talk to them outside.

May 1, 2005, 12:06 AM
Get a warrant, talk to my lawyer, and come back later, comes to my mind. Sorry, but I've heard of to many BAD situations, for gun owners, to do anything else.

May 1, 2005, 12:10 AM
Good question Mauserguy. I would have left them standing in the shaddow of my doorway, wile I retrieved my wife for them. Even then, when someone flashes a badge, its best to step outside, and close the door behind you in order to speak with them. Thus preventing them from seeing something they may percieve as illegal in your house, and do an impromptu search of your home. I don't know if the ATF can do that or not, but they can sure call the LEO's and wait at your house until they show up. LEO's don't need a search warrant if they have probable cause. Probably cause is easy to come up with too, a neighbor could say they heard screaming/shots fired, smoke comming from your home, and thats all LEO's need to bust down your door, and go through all of your things.

May 1, 2005, 12:22 PM
IRS knocked at my door and started to walk right in. When I didn't move out of the way, they stopped, identified themselves and said they were coming in. I asked for a warrent and they said they only wanted to talk. I said wait, and closed the door, moved the piece from IWB to shoulder holster and opened door again. I asked for their warrent, and they were suddenly VERRRRRY polite. We set up an appointment for their office later in the week.

I DON"T negotiate with terrorists.


May 1, 2005, 02:16 PM
So did you discuss the P7 under your belly?

May 1, 2005, 03:49 PM
Well - I strongly suspect that the story is a bit exagerated for effect. :D

If not then your reaction indicates that you may really have something to hide. And what sir, might that be? Take a little time - breath slowly. Yes - we're waiting... ;)

May 1, 2005, 05:27 PM
ATF and fire marshall - indeed, a strange combination.

Not at all actually. I've seen ATF agents investigating fires in KC for a few years now. Threw me the first few times I saw it on the news...

May 1, 2005, 05:30 PM
Why are you guys so scared of the ATF? If you haven't done anything wrong, you've got nothing to worry about, right? They're the government, you can trust them!

May 1, 2005, 10:07 PM
Nothing wrong with keeping them outside. Nothing wrong with maintaining control of the situation. A little anxiety is normal in this situation also. What I don't understand is the panic that seems to set in when law abiding citizens are approached by the G-men. Makes me think the paranoia level needs to be cranked down a few notches, maybe watch a little less TV.

I've met and worked with lots of FBI, Marshals, INS, etc. Most of these guys and gals are decent reasonable people. I've met a few buttheads but then again I work with a few.

I'm not saying be timid and submissive. Know your rights and the limits of what they can legally do, just in case you meet a butthead. Just don't hyperventilate for no reason.

I've attended bomb and arson classes taught by the ATF. Suprized me to that they were into that stuff. They really do know what they are doing.

May 1, 2005, 11:06 PM
They're the government, you can trust them!

Wha wha wha wha?? HUH? :what:

May 1, 2005, 11:16 PM
Repeat: Waitone asked about the P7 in the belt. Well.....?
Or does yer belly hang far enough over yer belt that you have to have a CCW?:) :neener: :what:

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