[mrhuckins]

Just relax sir, you are now in the competent care of qualified police officers. You have nothing to fear.......

Negligence (http://www.obra.se/~rehabdoll/humor/clips/Negligence.mpg)

[Alex45ACP]

Yeah I've seen this video before, that is quite scary. Do you know the story behind this?

[mrhuckins]

I sure don't, a friend just sent me the video in email. Just goes to show you that no matter how much training or how professional people are supposed to be, accidents can happen. On the plus side, the guy on the ground getting cuffed seems to have miraculously emerged "unshot" from this catastrophe.

[El Tejon]

mrhuckins, you may be surprised how little training police officers have. :uhoh:

[Bear Gulch]

Rule #3 with Glocks is vital. Yes a lot of cops don't get much training, but departmental traing via a training officer can cure a lot of what the academy leaves out.

[mrhuckins]

LEO's may get very little training, but I'm sure they get more training that Joe Schmo walking in off the street plopping down enough cash to buy a gun. However much training they are getting, it isn't enough if this is a semi-regular occurance IMHO.

[4v50 Gary]

Every state has different standards of training for their LEOs. Every agency has different standards which are set by the Chief/Sheriff at the suggestion/advice of the Rangemaster (sometimes via the Training Officer). Now, throw in that some folks come into the professional with experience (and bad habits) which, if not detected and broken during the training, can follow them into the streets. Sometimes its best to hire those who have no experience and listen to instructions. However, one cannot be hired solely on their experience or lack thereof with firearms. You want a composite of skills, knowledge, trainability and personality that fits your department.

The only solution is to train, train, train (and videotape to critique). However, this cost $, $, $ and time, time, time (which means more in $, $, $) and this is something most agencies, like other public agencies, are scrambling for. Now, balance this need to train against other training needs. It's not easy to run a LE agency.

[MikeIsaj]

A few disturbing things about this video.

1. Obviously there was a rule violation of finger on the trigger. Now once again we are reminded of why the rules are rules.

2. She had him at gunpoint at approx 8 feet, and missed! Don't get me wrong, it's good for everyone that she can't hit the broad side of a barn at eight feet, this time. Anyone wanna be in a shoot with her as your back up?

3. Obviously she, like a lot of LEO needs a lot more time on the range to improve habits of gun handling and accuracy. That's not a slap at police, it's a reality that needs to be understood. And it's not that expensive, or time consuming. Every professional spends their own time and money improving their particular skills, yet we all know cops who fire their weapon once or twice a year, and are happy if they just make it over the qualifying line. The concept of "I must be paid for every second I even think about work" is not a professional atitude. If you want that clear a boundary, get a job at McDonalds. I don't shoot regularly because I am paid for it. I buy my own ammo and shoot on my own because my life may depend on it one day.

[Joejojoba111]

I disagree with a lot of specific policies, but I have to say overall you are hard-pressed to find a safer group of people than cops. Just as firearms owners hate to be judged by the actions of a tiny minority, we'd be hypocritical to in any way infer that 1 negligent act means anything else.

Side-note, how loud would that be? I bet they got a little bit o' hearing damage if nothing else. And where did the ricochet go? Lucky twice.

[mrhuckins]

I don't know about how safe the LEO's are, but I can tell you that the Army is so safety orientied it is almost rediculous. In my 8 years of active duty serving in the Infantry, I only saw one accidental discharge. It was in a combat zone, and even then the training was so ingrained in us that the weapon was pointed "up and down range" as it was drilled into us in training. Nobody was even close to being hurt.

[Duh_Bear]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that's a Glock. Looked like a Beretta M92 or something similar.

[Vernal45]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that's a Glock. Looked like a Beretta M92 or something similar.


You are not wrong, its a beretta. I bet that officer is still on duty, cant fire her, would be wrong. :scrutiny:

[DMF]

. . . it isn't enough if this is a semi-regular occurance IMHO. :rolleyes: Not even close to being semi-regular.

[Old Fud]

I know I've seen this specific tape many times.
Seems like it re-surfaces every three months or so.
Can't be too common if we recycle the same one over and over, now can it?

[P95Carry]

Yep - much exposed clip this is - tho predictably it does resurface! :)

IMO a VERY extreme case and far from the norm - but with the exposure it has gotten - of course it has gained some ''legend'' status! A search would probably reveal the last thread we had on this - certainly last year we had it covered.

I will leave this run just a tad longer, for those who may wish to download and view the clip.

[centac]

If memory serves, according to the National Institute of Justice there are just shy of 650,000 LEOs in the US. This one and the DEA knucklehead who shoots himself and their ilk are thankfully a miniscule minority.

[Zach S]

You are not wrong, its a beretta. I bet that officer is still on duty, cant fire her, would be wrong. I doubt it. The fact that it happened on TV probably made her a liability in the eyes of the brass.

There are a few rumors about her. One is that she went directly to the PD and turned her badge and gun in. Another was that she was suspended and fired later, and another that she was stuck behind a desk. The arresting officer was hit with shrapnel. The suspect was also hit with some shrapnel and sued sucessfully, I cant really say I blame him.

As said above, these are rumors, I dont know the real story.

[Vernal45]

I wonder, what would happen to one of us NON LEO, if this incident were our doing???????

[JohnKSa]

Rule #3 with Glocks is vital.With any gun it's vital, but why mention it here? :rolleyes:

[akviper]

I know I'm a dinosaur but the hiring standards now have let a lot of people into law enforcement that shouldn't be there. Forcing political correctness had a few benefits but it opened the door for some corrupt and incompetent individuals to enter law enforcement. Yes, there were problems in the old days but when we have to ask applicants how many times have you used that drug instead of have you ever used drugs, it seems a little wrong.

[Vernal45]

I know I'm a dinosaur but the hiring standards now have let a lot of people into law enforcement that shouldn't be there. Forcing political correctness had a few benefits but it opened the door for some corrupt and incompetent individuals to enter law enforcement.


You hit the nail on the head with that one. Right on

[Group9]

I wonder, what would happen to one of us NON LEO, if this incident were our doing???????

Exactly how much trouble do you think anyone gets in with a AD/ND where no one is hurt?

If it was videotaped, and put on the internet, your embarrassment level would certainly be higher. Without video cameras, something bad can happen a thousand times and becasue it's not on film, no one cares, but an event that happens much less frequently, that is on video tape, is going to always cause a commotion.

High stress situtations plus loaded guns, sometimes equals unintentional discharges. I haven't had one since I was 18 years old, 29 years ago, but I know better than to say I could never have another.

[stevelyn]

akviper:

+2

[mrhuckins]

Well, for whatever reason, the video is still "disturbing."

[Sergeant Bob]

What a **** idiot!

[mrhuckins]

I still can't believe that she didn't kill the guy/how could she miss at such a short range at a stationary target?