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Oleg Volk
May 6, 2005, 02:05 AM
http://www.olegvolk.net/gallery/albums/arms/copsuse9363.sized.jpg

I completely re-edited the captions based on the feedback, so this image isn't the same as was here earlier.

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Blackburn
May 6, 2005, 02:10 AM
Sweet. (I'll start patrolling the neighborhood immediately ;))

jlwatts3
May 6, 2005, 02:10 AM
Not me, I live in CA. :banghead:

Phantom Warrior
May 6, 2005, 02:15 AM
I know I said this in the other thread too (the one w/ the long self-defense quote), but I think this is a little wordy. What about "Cops use guns to defend themseves. You can too."

Also, "protecting the innocents" can leave you open to charges of vigilantism or cop wannabeism. (Is that a word?) Whereas self-defense is less ambiguous. I know a CCW can be used to defend others, under the right circumstances, but it might be better to keep it simple for a poster.

wasrjoe
May 6, 2005, 02:23 AM
As it is, using a gun in self defense and legally reporting illegal immigrants to the US Border patrol is constantly referred to as vigilantism. I'm beginning to embrace the term.

Alex45ACP
May 6, 2005, 02:44 AM
Too vigilante-esque.

Stinkyshoe
May 6, 2005, 04:58 AM
I agree. There is a difference between why a cop carries, and why someone with a ccl carries. I'd go for something more factual.

DeputyVaughn
May 6, 2005, 06:47 AM
I like it!

Scott

ctdonath
May 6, 2005, 07:22 AM
Good job!

El Tejon
May 6, 2005, 07:37 AM
Doesn't apply to me. I use my firearms to protect me, not really innocent. :neener:

hso
May 6, 2005, 10:19 AM
I immediately jumped to the "I can be a cop" line of thought on this one, which looks to be the way most folks were lead.

Perhaps - You Might Need To Also.

grampster
May 6, 2005, 10:23 AM
From the looks of his knuckles, close combat would also be a definite risk for a goblin.

TechBrute
May 6, 2005, 10:42 AM
I like it.

For those that think, "Vigilante," go ahead and turn in all your handguns, since you're not going to be using them to protect innocents from harm. You will, however, be allowed to keep your O/U shotguns and hunting rifles, "For Sporting Purposes."
:neener:

pax
May 6, 2005, 11:01 AM
Post #4 makes sense.

"Cops use guns to protect themselves. You can too."

Shorter, thought provoking without being a turn off.

pax

ny32182
May 6, 2005, 11:04 AM
I also find the wording to lean a little toward "wannabe copness"...

Maybe try something with the same cop pic on the left with the caption "cops use firearms to defend themselves"... and put a pic of a normal guy on the right with the caption "others do also".

The message that should be conveyed (at least in my mind) is that there really isn't any difference as far as the reason that a cop carries, and the reason that a normal person carries. Both carry to defend themselves in the event that self defense with a firearm becomes neccessary. The nature of the cop's job is just such that that situation may arise with more frequency than it does for people who are not cops.

svtruth
May 6, 2005, 04:48 PM
Just being picky, but the standing LEO has a wedding ring on, the weapon holder does not. I like all the captions, and love your work.

Oleg Volk
May 6, 2005, 04:51 PM
Not the same person, I think they do not even look similar.

geekWithA.45
May 6, 2005, 05:53 PM
just being picky, but the standing LEO has a wedding ring on, the weapon holder does not.

What, your wedding ring isn't made of tacticool(r)(tm) self shaping polymimetic alloy that automatically tucks away when your draw?

Sheesh.

Blackburn
May 6, 2005, 06:53 PM
I was driving around today and thinking about how the caption could be changed, and I come back to find Oleg got it exactly right.

:D

Course my mental caption was:

Cops can carry handguns to defend their lives.

So can you.

:P

Edit number two: someone beat me to that! haha.

TMM
May 6, 2005, 07:17 PM
nice! is there some archive of these somewhere? thanks.
~TMM

Standing Wolf
May 6, 2005, 07:20 PM
The human right message is outstanding! Hammer it home again and again, please!

The Rabbi
May 6, 2005, 07:55 PM
"A Cop's Gun Makes Everyone Safer.
So Does Yours."

But Im just playing.

bogie
May 6, 2005, 09:05 PM
Self defense

It's not just for police.

Snowdog
May 6, 2005, 09:10 PM
Um, is that Gordon Lightfoot?

Maybe something like "Sundown, you'd better take care...buy a Glock with a Surefire and you're halfway there...."

But if it's not Lightfoot, nevermind.

Great photography, as always.

Alex45ACP
May 6, 2005, 09:54 PM
Self defense

It's not just for police.

Cops can carry handguns to defend their lives.

So can you.

I like these two also.

GRB
May 6, 2005, 10:17 PM
Nice photo, but I think the use of the word "may" weakens the argument.

Take out the may and it makes a better point because in actuality they DO carry firearms for self defense and for defense of the public.

tyme
May 6, 2005, 10:27 PM
I don't particularly like anything that draws the police->private citizen parallel. What cops are allowed to do, or whether they even exist, has no bearing on my RKBA. I realize that a lot of people don't think that way, and the image as written may make sense to them. I just get an uneasy feeling whenever I see something making the connection in that direction.

It should be the other way around... "private citizens may carry firearms for self protection... cops have the same human right." Unfortunately, that doesn't really carry the message, which is why I don't like pro-RKBA media that references police. They end up either philosophically backwards or lacking impact.

I also don't like the "cops" vs "we" or "cops" vs "you" language. It implies cops are separate from the rest of us, hence the change from "we" to "private citizens" in the joking suggestion above.

P95Carry
May 6, 2005, 11:05 PM
Just tweakin - as so often.

Wanted to keep the text reduced. Just ''playin'' :)


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Phantom Warrior
May 7, 2005, 01:44 AM
*sigh* Ok, you're probably going to ban me from this thread, but I think some things could be improved. I'll list them, and my reasons. You can pick and choose, take or leave what you want. I would like to preface this all by saying that I have a lot of respect for what you do for RKBA and this is not a personal attack. I'm just trying to provide some constructive suggestions. You could post it as is and it would still be a dramatic and thought-provoking poster


One thing that struck me was the complexity in word choice and ideas. I PERSONALLY like to keep posters simple and hard hitting. More like a bumper sticker than a manifesto. Unless you are going to put a manifesto on a poster (like a poster of the Bill of Rights or something). Here are my thoughts:

a) "arms"->"guns"
Arms aren't the issue here, as the Glock front and center makes clear (nice gun choice, btw). It's not about swords, spears, axes, bazookas, grenades, etc. It's about what cops and private citizens carry every day to defend themselves, guns. And "arms" feels sort of stilted to me, especially after using a piece of slang like "cops."

b) "self-protection"->"self-defense"
This one isn't such a complex idea, but "self-defense" seems to flow a little better for me. A minor consideration.

c) "We have the same human right."->??
I know that "a human right" is sort of your slogan for a lot of your work. And if you want to keep it in for that purpose, disregard the rest of this paragraph. But, again, it feels both wordy and complex to me. What are the slogans we remeber? "I want YOU." "A few good man." "Be all you can be." "You deserve a break today." "Subway, eat fresh." "Have it your way." Short and sweet.

Plus, "We have the same human right" leave people wondering what a right is and why guns are a right and if they are an individual right or not and so on. Whereas something simple like "You can too." (or whatever) keeps it on the topic of getting people to think about carrying a gun.


Also, I don't like the "may carry" in the first sentence at all. It leaves me feeling like it's a privilege to carry arms, rather than an intrinsic right. That that "may" could be withdrawn whenever the person allowing it has a whim. And if you do want to get into the broader theoretical level you probably don't want people thinking about starting to carry as something they "may" do but as something they "can" (and should) do.

I'm not sure if cops and personal carry is a great idea. It's always an issue whether cops are a class of supercitizens or not. Some people will look at this and go "Well yeah, but cops are TRAINED to carry a gun." And then walk on like they've demolished your whole argument. Respectfully, I could especially see that if you show a seasoned, veteran officer standing there and then some guy in civilian clothes pointing a gun at your face. What if you put the cop on the left as is and then put a guy in a suit or button down shirt on the right suitably armed with the same serious, competent demeanor? To make the point that both cops and non-LEOs can carry guns?


I hope I've given you some ideas to think over. You are free, of course, to incorporate them or not into your poster or to make other posters from my ideas or whatever you feel like. I just had to share my thoughts.

Oleg Volk
May 7, 2005, 02:24 AM
Banning people for giving advice would be a new low! Instead, I took the sggestions and updated the captions.

thorn726
May 7, 2005, 05:27 PM
i like the new caption , great job as always!
Not me, I live in CA.

not entirely true!

i know a few people who have done exactly this. yes the cops told them next time don't leave your property, but the pointed piece sure sent the BG away

JohnKSa
May 7, 2005, 05:41 PM
Drop the comma.

thorn726
May 7, 2005, 06:06 PM
Drop the comma.

i think id better agree. something seems wrong about it.

heheh= we need a good grammar text for this stuff!!!!

realmswalker
May 7, 2005, 08:37 PM
I was just wondering, while shooter is shooting, who's driving the car?

I do enjoy all the images and messages you convey.

ralphie98
May 7, 2005, 11:19 PM
I guess I'm not as picky, but I like the wording as-is. I do have to say though...."Cops use guns to protect themselves. You can too." I like this wording even more. Either way, it would get the message across.

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