Winchester Super X1 Value?


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Kestrel
May 6, 2005, 11:07 AM
I have a Winchester Super X1, in excellent condition. It looks like the gentleman that owned it, didn't fire it much as far as I can tell. (It's hard to know that, but it certainly doesn't look like it was handled a lot for an older gun...)

I fired two shells through it and the bolt would not rechamber the next round. I'm assuming it needs a new buffer. I don't know a lot about these guns, but was planning to replace the buffer and recoil spring.

Does anyone happen to know an approximate range of what this gun is worth? I'm trying to decide if I want to sell it. I'm afraid if I do sell it, though, I would regret it forever, because I never see these guns for sale (in any of the shops around here). The maching on it is like having an auto version of a Modle 12 - superb. Or, if you would point me somewhere that I could find the value of it.

If anyone wants to tell me I'd be crazy to sell it, I'm open to that, too. There are a few guns I've sold over the years that I regret to this day. I'm afraid this would be one of them.

Thanks for any help.

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Kestrel
May 6, 2005, 11:09 AM
Oh, I forgot to mention, it's a fixed modified-choke barrel, with vent rib. Wood stocks. The trigger feels like a rifle trigger. I've never felt one like this on a shotgun, so I don't know if that's normal. (Maybe I've just always shot shotguns with poor triggers...)

I don't know why I haven't heard more about the SX1. The machining is the best I've ever seen on an automatic. Unless they were just unreliable guns, the only thing I can think of is the expense in producing them. Did they have any kind of problem in the design?

Thanks.

Fred Fuller
May 6, 2005, 11:32 AM
sm should be along most any time now...

lpl/nc

sm
May 6, 2005, 02:39 PM
I was not going to post to this thread...or any others...

I sent Lee Lapin and Larry my thoughts on this, up to them to snip and post if want.

Not gonna get in a argument about shotguns and such. Folks got a right to opinions and such, I got a right to mine.

I will just say I put over 200k rds in one SX1 of mine alone, I used that gun to beat the britches off two young whippersnappers with tactical toys recently. I stayed running as did the SX1 - the gun NEVER glitched. My "challengers" less than half my age...the SX1 used- a '74 model.

Feeling a bit cranky about some stuff, don't deny that.

Larry Ashcraft
May 6, 2005, 05:43 PM
This is from sm:

Most Likely the "O" ring is missing, or need of replacement, many folks either took them out , forgot to put back in, or used cleaning stuff that ate them up.

The red package of Dills pipe cleaners( coarse) if the 'O' ring was eaten up with solvents, and allowed to get gooey in the gas ports, the yellow package ( all cotton and absorbment - like most folks use) from then on is fine ( only needed) to keep clean.

The most common problem is putting the gas system back in - in wrong order, or flipped a ring the wrong way. ( like folks did with the 1100).

I have no idea on current values, don't keep up with them, Preacherman has seen some around and could probably tell him. Field Grade is what it sounds like he has, and even sounds like the one I kept from all the ones I've had. Over 200k rds thru mine btw. Brister said it was THE most reliable gas shotgun - my experience mirrors this.Just recently I proved this against the high dollar tactical guns...*grin*

Harley Nolden can perhaps provide a manual for takedown and assembly, perhaps a value.

Nu-Line , whom I had put external screw in chokes in mine back when the earth was flat - most likely has one too. Nu-Line has parts for these, and other Winchester firearms.

There is/ was a guy with a Website that only dealt with the SX1, never had any experience with him, nor know of anyone that has. something like "Mr. SuperX" or "www.superx1.something...dunno/ don't care...Nu-Line is whom I use.

I have had, used the Field Grades, Target Grades, Target grades 2 bbl sets and Win. Custom Shop. All the ones I gave to shooters, are still running straights, winning monies, or taking side bets from Pigeon/ Live Bird shoots ( hypothetically of course * ahem*). One old Custom shop ran the whole week in Central America - without a hitch, just had to put down from being too hot to hold. Something like 1800 birds in 5 days....forget, been awhile.

Never had a problem with mine, machined from exceptional metal, crafted, and made to last. The 1100 were less monies, because stamped and folks went the 1100 for price.

HSMITH can also share some experiences.
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HSMITH
May 6, 2005, 09:22 PM
Since SM outed me as a closet X1 fanatic I'll share some thoughts.

I think SM nailed the cycling problems. I don't think it needs new springs, just a good cleaning and a new O-ring.

A very nice condition X1 field grade around here is around $500, up to about $700 if pristine, box etc and you are patient. The target grade guns command a premium, but how much depends on what it is.

I'll tell you that you would be crazy to sell it. There never was an autoloading shotgun made as well as a SuperX1, and there never will be. It will outlast you and me both with some maintenance. Save up for a couple weeks and buy whatever it is that has caught your eye, keep the X1.

Kestrel
May 7, 2005, 01:11 AM
Thanks for all the info, guys. Maybe I was just having a weak moment. I think I would always regret it, if I sold it.

I'll try taking it apart and cleaning it and see what happens. Maybe it doesn't need any parts after all.

Thanks again,
Steve

ClarkEMyers
May 7, 2005, 02:46 AM
I don't know why I haven't heard more about the SX1. The machining is the best I've ever seen on an automatic. Unless they were just unreliable guns, the only thing I can think of is the expense in producing them. Did they have any kind of problem in the design?

As noted they are not unreliable - they are reliable. The story is the action was refined with high speed photography and small adjustments until they got it right.

I haven't seen many for sale though.

willeo6709
May 8, 2005, 01:10 AM
http://www.simplitech.com/~superx1/index.html

Bob Baumgart, near Milwakee is one of the sx1 specialists. I recently bought one myself, a 28" fixed choke Vent rib with dual beads and a I think a blown out bolt buffer.

sm
May 8, 2005, 01:35 AM
Contact Nu_Line. These folks have been dealing with Winchesters since - forever.

On the one I kept, the '74 model.

I replaced the recoil spring in the stock - once, I don't recall if the buffer was replaced or not. The 'word was' one was suppose to change these every so many rounds...didn't say so in the manual.

When I had about 30k rds thru mine and folks asked if I had, and I said "No" they freaked.

So with over 200k rds thru mine, I had the recoil spring dealie in the buttstock replaced once, "maybe" the buffer, had Nu-Line do external knurled chokes, replaced the "O" rings and that is it.

Now I competed with a Pachmyer Deacelator recoil pad, the original Winchester Recoil pad is back on it. I have an extra bolt handle ( in case I lost one waterfowling- never did) and right after I got mine I split the metal ring that fits inside mag tube over mag spring ( frictions in) - got an extra one of those...have yet to need it.

This mirrors the others I had and are still running, or were run as hard as mine and like me, kinda retired...we kinda like to "just shoot what handy with whatever ammo is handy" now. Or use a stick. ;) OLD inside joke

So if it ain't broke- don't fix it.

Maybe if and when ...maybe if I take mine out of retirement and I shoot over the 300K rds mark - I'm supposed to have it looked at-

nah...mine always appreciated the attention of getting ammo run thru it. Come to think of it - all my guns prefer to have ammo and exercised...none of mine be it shotguns, rifles, or handguns ever needed much attention. Then again I have older stuff , pretty much if not bone stock. All I wanted was gun fit to me and ammo and trigger time...

Yes they will run 2k rds without cleaning. [Dave winces]. Busy week shooting all them target loads, cleaning would have cut into my shooting time. ;)

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