[telewinz]

This week it seems to go down, finally.

[10-Ring]

I've been hearing the 17th for the last week or so. I'd guess, 48 hours after that to get UN inspectors time to get out of Iraq.

[telewinz]

I believe by Midnight Monday, we will all know the answer.

[Schuey2002]

Watch the moon phases over Iraq. ;)

[Saddam has only a few days to live.]

[Blackhawk]

Watch the moon phases over Iraq. Our ground forces have many advantages during the new moon, but don't forget that the overt air campaign will be over several days to:

1. Eliminate Iraq's fixed military assets and CC centers, and

2. Give Iraq's military organizations a good chance to become terrorized and motivated to not fight.

Since the new moon is about the first of April, I expect the overt air campaign to become serious days to weeks before the ground campaign begins.

[El Rojo]

At work a co-worker and I made a wager on the start date. She had last week, I have this week. I think I might win. If not, this week, then it is a draw. So I voted Thursday for no other reason than it sounded good.

[Ala Dan]

Greeting's All,

I voted for Wednesday, as it will give the UN
weapons inspectors, and all diplomat's time to
leave the country.

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

[ruger357]

I hope we are all wrong and it does not happen .

[PlayTheAces]

I went with Thursday. Just a gut feeling.

[Hypnogator]

Monday they tell the UN inspectors to bug out.
Wednesday the tanks roll.
Thursday Saddam is killed by his own men.
Friday we give Iraq $100 billion in foreign aid. :rolleyes:

[telewinz]

100 billion down payment on there (our) oil. Works for me

[itgoesboom]

Monday we tell the UN put up or shut up.
Tuesday, the President will adress the country and he will give a 48-72 deadline for Iraq to disarm fully.
Thurs or Fri. the deadline will pass.
War will start on the weekend or more likely on monday.

I.G.B.

Ofcourse, i thought the date was going to be Jan 15th. So there is an off chance that i might be wrong. :D

[Standing Wolf]

We should have solved the Iraqi Islamic terrorist savagry problem over a year ago—but better late than never.

[Dogsoldier]

This maybe sick, but I hope it is Monday (I'm home from work and can watch it go down). I'm voted for Weds. Not for any other reason then Bush and the boys will tell the UN tomorrow to get onboard or get out of the way. Saddam wll get a 48 hour notice and then all hell will break out.

I disagree with the folks who are saying several days of air attacks. I believe this time they will do what is called "time on target". The aircraft, bombers, arty, cruise missles all hitting their targets in one massive BOOM! :what:

Remember the military talking "shock and awe?" Eliminate their command and control, known missle and artillary bases, airfields and of course Saddams house. The Iraqis that survive that massive air attack will be walking around in a daze, then we will send in ground forces in airborne and mobile units in a blitzkrieg fashion to secure the oil fields before Sadam can put a match to them.

This stuff has taken way to long. As my daddy would say, "It's time to put that dog down."

[hops]

Friday, march 21st. First day of Spring.

[ahadams]

something about the bombing begins in 10 minutes or something like that? I vote Monday midnight or slightly thereafter...like say 3 or 4 am Tuesday Iraqi time.

[Blackhawk]

I like your scenario of one night of bombing, Dogsoldier, but I think it's going to be more spread out. Bomb, BDA, bomb, BDA, etc., all takes time. :D

[Blackhawk]

ahadams,

Reagan was doing a mike check for the sound crew before a speech as I recall. He said, "Bombing begins in 5 minutes" as a joke, but the media got hold of it and tried to demonize him for it.

He was the Cowboy in the White House before the present one.

We seem to do pretty well with cowboys there.... :D

[ahadams]

Blackhawk - you got that one right. or to borrow a phrase "my heros have always been cowboys". Teddy R. had the right ideas in a lot of ways.

[cratz2]

I'd bet Wednesday if I was a bettin' man... I'm not.

[4570Rick]

The new moon is the end of this month.;)

If the alleged media experts are right and the war is only going to last a couple days:rolleyes: then my bet would be March 27 through April 1

I know there's an obvious joke there.:D

[Azrael256]

Wednesday. Everbody will be drunk Monday, since it's St. Paddy's day (it is, right?), Tuesday will be aspirin and coffee day, so Wednesday will be just about right. Any guesses as to why I'm not a general?

[Thumper]

4:21 A.M. Central time.

CNN is reporting that U.N. inspectors were just advised by the U.S. to leave.

[David]

Breaking News:

-- UN Vote OFF

-- President to give 8PM speech tonight ON

The President will reportly ask for Saddam to immediately leave Iraq to avoid war!

:uhoh: :uhoh: :uhoh:

Let's hope and pray for our country and troops as we are on the brink of war!

[Ebbtide]

I hope it is quick.

Pray for our soldiers and the innocent.

[SquirrelNuts]

Here we go!

-SquirrelNuts

[cheygriz]

Pray for our military people, pray for the innocent civilians of Iraq, and pray for the people of Isreal.

Whatever the outcome, and whatever the cost, may God's will be done!

[foghornl]

May God speed and guide our troops as they defend Freedom and protect Lady Liberty for all of us.

May God grant his Grace and Peace to all the Innocents of all countries.

May our warriors be swift, their aim true, our cause just and righteous.

Amen and Amen.

[D_Burchfield]

Quote:The President will reportly ask for Saddam to immediately leave Iraq to avoid war!

I believe the only way Saddam will leave Iraq is with a toe tag. Hope they put one on him very soon. :evil: I imagine our coalition friends are tired of this--->:banghead: and are ready to end the charade the obstructionists call diplomacy(read appeasement)

Let's Roll! :fire:

Pray for the people going into harm's way(except Saddam)

[Kharn]

Saddam might want to start shopping for an urn, 'cause he's toast.

Kharn

[Schuey2002]

We could be hours away from the bombs dropping on Saddam.

On the news it says that "the U.S., Great Britain, and Spain are not seeking a new resolution at the U.N.". Also, Kofi Annan said that " he will pull all U.N. staff from Iraq immediately."

Saddam has but a few hours to live.
_________________________________

My thoughts and prayers go out to all of our Armed Forces in the region. Good luck, stay safe and Godspeed. :)

[Nathaniel Firethorn]

What foghornl said. Also,

May God to guide us, and everyone, with His mercy and righteousness, both now and after the battle is ended.

- pdmoderator

[cheygriz]

Let's hope and pray that his generals will see the light and take care on the problen in house.

That would save an awful lot of blood on both sides, but especially their side.

[El Tejon]

All our best for our troops. Stay sharp, listen to your NCOs, and remember you have our full backing here.

Down with the Emir of the New Barbary pirates!

[dairycreek]

And pray for us all.

[Dogsoldier]

Actually, I have thought about it. How long do you think it will take to build about 1200 of those MOAB fire crackers? What a sight that would be. 1200 cargo planes dropping 1200 of those noise makers, on 1200 targets, again all setup to go off at the same time! Man, what a mess that would make.

[Nathaniel Firethorn]

Thursday.

http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/40650.html

Baghdad, Iraq
33.2° N 44.2° E
Local Time: 10:38 PM AST on March 17, 2003

Monday
Scattered Clouds. High: 77° F. / 25° C.

Monday Night
Scattered Clouds. Low: 50° F. / 10° C.

Tuesday
Scattered Clouds. High: 80° F. / 27° C.

Tuesday Night
Scattered Clouds. Low: 55° F. / 13° C.

Wednesday
Scattered Clouds. High: 80° F. / 27° C.

Wednesday Night
Scattered Clouds. Low: 55° F. / 13° C.

Thursday
Scattered Clouds. High: 69° F. / 21° C.

Thursday Night
Scattered Clouds. Low: 41° F. / 5° C.

Friday
Scattered Clouds. High: 66° F. / 19° C.

Friday Night
Scattered Clouds. Low: 37° F. / 3° C.

Saturday
Chance of Rain. High: 64° F. / 18° C.

Saturday Night
Scattered Clouds. Low: 42° F. / 6° C.

Sunday
Scattered Clouds. High: 69° F. / 21° C.

Sunday Night
Scattered Clouds. Low: 41° F. / 5° C.Also fits the 72 hours timeframe.

- pdmoderator

[sm]

Wednesday.
Gut feeling.
Besides have class, Events occur while I'm in class, like 9/11

[Ala Dan]

May the curse of "the Beast from the East"
finally be put to rest; and the people of Iraq be
freed of oppression. May GOD shed his grace on
thee; and bless all our troop's as they prepare
for battle, during the battle, and after the battle.

I pray that each and every one of them return
home safely; and that GOD BLESS AMERICA!


Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

[ruger357]

God help us.

[Monkeyleg]

Unnamed White House "sources" said Bush would give Saddam 72 hours to leave Iraq. So, 7:30 pm on Thursday would be the soonest. That would be 4:30 am Friday Bagdahd time. IMO, that's too close to sunrise for the night-time attacks they want to launch. So, I'll guess somewhere around 1pm CST on Friday.

[David]

I heard a news report that says the President will reportly offer Saddam between 24 to 72 hours to leave Iraq -- or else!

:fire: :fire: :fire:

I guess we will have to wait until 8pm to find out the details.

[Butch]

Good by SA DAMN:neener:

[Ebbtide]

I watched the evening news. Reports from the front line soldiers made me ill. This is gut wrenching.

[natedog]

Bush just declared that Saddam and his sons have 48 hours to leave Iraq, or face military action.

[Schuey2002]

We are quite possibly less than 48 hours away..:(

[J Miller]

:( Why can't I be convinced this is right? I think it is going to come back to bite us in the posterior.
Not a dove, I think war is always a possiblity, and sometimes necessary. But this time I'm just not convinced it's necessary.
:(

[Blackhawk]

Yeah, I watched the speech too.

Well done! :neener:

[Schuey2002]

So long, Saddam!!!

:)

[Greg L]

I liked the part about it being translated for those people who could listen in Iraq. I'm sure that they had "technical difficulties" right about then. :D

Interesting times ahead.

Greg

[FPrice]

"Why can't I be convinced this is right? I think it is going to come back to bite us in the posterior."

Think of Saddam as your neighborhood bully. No amount of talking or praying or waiting will get rid of him. At some point you have to spit on your hands, wade in, and wail the tar out of him. Otherwise he will continue to take your lunch money and one day really hurt you or someone else.

[Standing Wolf]

We should have done this a year ago and longer.

[beemerb]

Right now is not the time to bash Bush.It is time to get behind him and the troops that will be in harms way.
I allso think that we all need to watch what goes on around us.Stay on condition orange or red.We could get hit with terror weapons here.I am going to throw a FN in the jeep with 100 rds of ammo just in case.
Bob

[Jedi_7.62]

Ready or not, here we come.

Hope he runs but I won't hold my breath.

[cool45auto]

C-ya Saddam!

[DMK]

This whole thing reminds me of that cartoon with Bugs bunny and Yosemite Sam. "Don't cross this line... Ok, don't cross this line...Ok, don't cross this line.." :rolleyes:

I'm generally against war, but let's just go take care of business and be done with it. We shouldn't have talked about it this long.

I never understood why state leaders rant, posture and meanwhile let their enemies gather intel and get prepared to defend themselves.

[DeltaElite]

This should have been done 12 years ago.
Sadly we have to do it now.
The UN is virtually useless now.

Godspeed to our soldiers and our allies soldiers.

[DeltaElite]

Doh, double tap, just like into Sadaams forehead, hopefully. :D

[Ed Brunner]

The key to being a successful terrorist is to do it when and where your enemy least expects it. I know the odds are long indeed that Bob or I might see action, but who expected 9/11?

[firestar]

I think I heard Saddam say that he won't use chemical or biological weapons on our troops. That is nice of him.:)


Oh, wait. He said he won't use those weapons on our troops until we have entered Bagdad. That's it!:uhoh:

Maybe this war is inevitable and maybe we should have done it years ago but I can't help feeling that there is a large segment of the population out there that really wants war. We should never want war. I think some people just want something to watch on T.V., they are looking for drama in their life. Some of our troops are going to die and a bunch of innocent cilivilians will be bombed, I don't get what is so great about that!

This is not about saddam having weapons of mass destruction, this not about the war on terrorism, this is not even about oil, this is about the U.S. installing a new leader in a foreign country and that is imperialism. If it were about terrorism, where is the evidence linking Saddam with Bin Laden? I haven't seen it yet. If this about weapons of mass destruction, we could just do air strikes. I think it is clear this is not really about oil, Saddam will sell all the oil we will let him.

Lets just be honest with what it is we are really doing, we are imposing or will on other countries to further our ends. That is fine with me, I'm all for that, lets just not lie about what we are doing and cloak it in holyness. We are not in any real danger from Iraq, Isriel is the only one in any real danger. So we are going to war to protect Isriel? Someone please explain this to me. I don't have it all figuired out but things are just not adding up.

Also, what is the best case senario to this war? In the very best case I can think of, we are still only back to where we started, we haven't gained a thing and we lost lives and billions of dollars doing it. The best case would be that Saddam leaves willingly, that would be great but we all know thats no going to happen. So the second best case is we invade and have compleat victory and capture/kill Saddam in 24 hours. Now what? How are we better off?

I know a guy over there and I hope he comes back O.K. I hope none of our guys get hurt or killed but I know it will happen. All I can say is, if you have family or friends over there, I hope they come back O.K.

[Baba Louie]

A good speech.
Well crafted words.
Clear message.
He's a cowboy all right... "48 hrs. to get outta town... and take yer boyz with ya"
Fair warnings to all about conduct.

I was going to paste in Daschle's quote about failed diplomacy, but I refuse to because his words mean nothing.

Good hunting gentlemen (and ladies), God Speed.
Prayers and positive thoughts going your way till the last one of you get home.

I am glad and relieved that a man of honor (as I see it), President George W. Bush, is finally back in the White House today.

If that makes me a warmonger... so be it. Proud to be on this side, proud GW is the CinC

Adios

[Ian]

Hooray. A war. We get to go beat up a two-bit neighborhood bully (of someone else's neighborhood), wave the flag, feel patriotic, and put American troops into yet another corner of the globe on a temporarily permanent basis.

As for giving the Iraqis freedom...there is no way Bush will do that. If he were to allow Iraqi citizens true freedom, people back here at home would start wondering why he (in the form of labyrinthine bureaucracy) withholds it from us. I'm not convinced Bush even knows what Freedom is. The way he spoke tonight, you'd think that freedom was the opposite of violence. :scrutiny:

[firestar]

I voted for Wednesday also! Whoo-hoo! What do I get if I win? I got $2 riding on Wednesday. Come on Wednesday! I feel lucky. Oh, wait. I just realized this isn't a video game.:uhoh:

[Gary H]

Hey folks, lots of our guys are putting their lives on the line. I know that you didn't mean it like it sounds, but please..No Whoo-hoo. The war is the right thing to do, but that is different than being desirable. I hope that the Iraqi military does the right thing and kills this guy and saves a lot of lives.

[CampX]

I myself was too busy laughing at his utter stupidity. Does he write his own speeches, or do a million monkeys at typewriters come up with this stuff? I cannot for the life of me understand how Bush can fool or trick people into comprehending his messages...... If you told me to get out of my own house within 48 hours, and take my family with me, all on the thin premise that I MIGHT do something bad, or that I MIGHT have helped in a criminal act, and then back me into a corner with your military just chompin' at the bit to get me, I wouldn't go down without a fight.
It's pretty transparent to me that the UN weapons inpections and Security Council was all an attempt to get Saddam to disarm, not for the sake of peace and stability, but to take away his defensive capabilities so the US body count won't be too high when the war started. The US knew all along that they were going to war. Well, I guess we'll see in the coming months what kind of horrors and atrocities come out of this, as well as the terrorist reprisals against the US for using their policy of "Diplomacy at Gunpoint".....:banghead:

[seeker_two]

Good speech...
Three months late...
Gives Saddam 48 hrs (plus whatever "on our timetable" means) to prepare even more nasty suprises for our troops...
No plan on how to establish the "new Iraq" (although a copy of the Constitution should play a part)...
Sends an uncertain message to Iran & North Korea (do we give them 48 hours too?)...
Let France & Germany know that they can hold our foreign policy up...
Forgot to mention the part about expelling the UN & opening up a new WTC on the East River...
Incites more panic in American citizens w/ vague threats of more terror attacks (and raises duct-tape stock prices)...



Good speech, though...

[M1911]

But this time I'm just not convinced it's necessary.J Miller: For the past 12 years, the US and Britain have flown armed military aircraft over Iraq. The Iraqi military has made almost daily attempts to shoot them down. We've made almost daily bombing runs against their anti-aircraft defenses. Both are acts of war, are they not?

Iraq agreed to a cease fire 1991. They've violated the agreements of that cease fire on many occasions.

Face it, we're not going to war -- we've been at war for the last 12 years.

[M1911]

We should never want war.Oh? Really? Like Chamberlain, we should climb down out of an aircraft from Munich, waving a piece of paper and proclaiming "Peace in our time?"

There are a lot of people lately who have said "war has never solved anything." That's a very unique reading of history. Seems to me that war has solved a number of things, including: 1) Barbary Coast Piracy, English oppression of American colonists, French freedom from royal tyranny, slavery, Nazi liquidation of Jews and others, Nazi tyranny over a dozen nations, etc.

Is war the preferred solution? No, of course not. But 12 years of diplomacy have failed. The status quo is no solution -- each month 1000 - 5000 Iraqi children die due to the sanctions.

[DeltaElite]

If after 12 years of violating of UN mandates you can't see why action needs to be taken, then nothing will convince you.
Some folks can't see the forest for the trees.

Some people live in countries that hide behind the protection that the US provides and bash the US for their policies.
It is easy to talk tough when you know you are protected from reprisals, because terrorists don't care enough about your country to even bother attacking it.

I thought the speech was well done and kept simple to make it easy for the simple minded to understand.
Apparently it wasn't simple enough for some. ;)

[Ian]

We should never want war.

Firestar is completely correct. There are just wars and there are unjust wars, but neither should be desired. Wars are death and destruction on the largest magnitude humanly possible, and as such they are at best necessary evils. Even a just war isn't something to rejoice over - it's something to do out of absolute necessity and be done with as quickly as possible.

[DeltaElite]

Agreed Ian.
No joy in war, but sometimes it is necessary, as I feel it is now. :(

[twoblink]

I don't think anybody "wants" war. But I think when you have a bully, that can KILL those all around him, then you really have to do something about it.

I have a feeling that if another 9/11 happened, all the Bush bashers would bash him again for not defending the country.

Regardless, they are going to bash Bush no matter what; but the line has been drawn, and it's time to support the decision that the President has made..

Oh, Saddam... naw-naw-naw-naw... naw-naw-naw-naw... hey-hey-hey... good bye!! :D

[Malone LaVeigh]

Right now is not the time to bash Bush.It is time to get behind him and the troops that will be in harms way.I think any freedom-loving, self-ruling people would recoil at such sentiment. Bush has in no way earned my loyalty. He is using war for purposes that dishonor us as a people and the fighting men and women who will be in harm's way.

BUT, having said that, we are now at war as far as I'm concerned, and I won't be saying any more on the topic. I will also not take part in the inevitable acts of protest and civil disobedience to try to stop it, though I understand the motivations of those who will be doing it. There is no strategic value at this point in opposing what will soon be the actions of the state. We are now going to live with the consequences.

I have a clear conscience. I may not have done all one person could have done to try to stop this, but but I did my part. I hope the war is as short and easy as many have predicted.

[The Silver Bullet 1719]

I pretty much agree with firestar on this whole Iraq deal, but I am of the opinion of that we have been lollygagging with the UN and its time to take action. I don't oppose Bush on it, and I would really love to see us leave the UN also.

[Ala Dan]

Is too darn long; he ought to get the HELL out now!


Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

[faustulus]

May God watch over us all. And my He forgive us.

[Thumper]

Hey faus'...you ever actually TALKED to an actual Iraqi?

[Vladimir Berkov]

"Right now is not the time to bash Bush.It is time to get behind him and the troops that will be in harms way."

I bet you were saying the same thing about LBJ, when he sent thousands of Americans off to their deaths in an earlier, needless foreign war.

[Vladimir Berkov]

Iraq agreed to a cease fire 1991. They've violated the agreements of that cease fire on many occasions.

Face it, we're not going to war -- we've been at war for the last 12 years.

If you are arguing that Iraq has violated the ceasefire and thus the war is still active, you would wonder why the U.N. doesn't support it. After all, it was their ceasefire, and their war in the first place. You would think they would know if they were at war or not.

[Thumper]

I'm giving you the credit of making the assumption that you've read the resolution ending hostilities, Vladimir.

Do you actually somehow propose that Iraq has abided by the conditions?

Even the French admit that that's not the case.

[Vladimir Berkov]

Iraq hasn't abided by the conditions, however that itself is not cause for the United States to invade Iraq without U.N. approval.

In essence, we are about to invade Iraq in order to enforce a U.N. resolution, without having the support of the U.N.

[ZekeLuvs1911]

It is absolutely a reason to invade Iraq. The resolutions called for total compliance. The inspectors even had said they were not. The resolution also calls for force if compliance is not met. OPEN YOUR EYES YOU BLIND PEOPLE!

[Vladimir Berkov]

It would be a reason, if we were authorized by the U.N.

But we are not...

[firestar]

Vladimir Berkov,
Are you telling us that we are going to war with Iraq for violating the U.N. mandates, yet by us going to war without the consent of the U.N. we are in violation of the U.N. mandates?

As Don King would say, "Only in America".

I only hope this goes quick and we get out of there. I don't want the U.S. to have to stick around and baby sit those knuckle heads for the next 50 years. :rolleyes: We are going to pay f to rebuild their cities, meanwhile I can't drive down my city's street without dodging massive pot holes.:banghead: What about rebuilding our cities?

[Thumper]

Vladmir, why do you think it's a good idea for an autonomous nation to subjugate itself to an outside authority?

You act as if U.N. support somehow is required...Oh well, your opinions are now irrelevent, as are mine.

As Bush has so spectacularly demonstrated, the U.N. can go suck an egg.

We're off to oust a dictator who uses chemical weapons on civilians. Do yourself a favor and THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE. Why are you so interested in his defence?

[Homer voice]In your face, France![/Homer voice]

[twoblink]

If saddam gets a toe tag, I don't think there will be much sympathy on this or other forums... even his own people hate him!

Godspeed..

[faustulus]

Hey faus'...you ever actually TALKED to an actual Iraqi?
A roommate in college for a year. Still keep in touch why?

[Thumper]

And what does he think of leaving Saddam Hussein in power?

I'm assuming he's lived under Hussein.

[faustulus]

Doesn't think much of it -- lives in U.S. now-- but says it is better than the chaos before. He doesn't like Saddam, but he hates the Shiites more.

[ZekeLuvs1911]

The UN DID AUTHORIZE force by voting in Resolution 1441 Vlad. By ageeing to the resolution, it has given the US the absolute right to use force. It is the useless UN that is reneging on its own resolution. By not using force as stipulated in 1442, it is the US who would break the resolution. Something the liberal, blind, head in the ground left don't seem to understand.........

[Thumper]

My experience is limited to a day and a half in country, then 2 1/2 months of discussions with various former Iraqi soldiers.

Lots of interesting stories...some firsthand, some friend of a friend...but I think they'd pretty much all agree that your
He doesn't like Saddam
might be a bit of an understatement.
I made friends with some of those guys...even gave one my Gameboy (my pride and joy at the time).

I've always felt we let those cats down by not crossing the Euphrates.

We should have done this years ago. Thank God we're doing it now.

[twoblink]

I have to say, it's 12 years and 48 hours too long!!

Bush's first job is to defend the nation, from threats, not listen to the pansies in the UN.

The French can stick it where the sun don't shine as far as I'm concerned..

I just want to ask those who oppose Bush; what if another 9/11 happens? What then? Oh, blame him for lack of action to defend this nation..

He can't win either way, sucks.

But my boyz have got my support.

[Vladimir Berkov]

Vladmir, why do you think it's a good idea for an autonomous nation to subjugate itself to an outside authority?

I don't remember ever stating it was, so I am confused as to why you think I said it.


You act as if U.N. support somehow is required...Oh well, your opinions are now irrelevent, as are mine.

U.N. support is necessary to enforce U.N. resolutions, and act in their name.


We're off to oust a dictator who uses chemical weapons on civilians. Do yourself a favor and THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE. Why are you so interested in his defence?

I am not. I am interested in the waging of a pointless and wasteful conflict with ambiguous goals, and doubtful long-term effects.

I could care less about Saddam or what he does inside his own country. The world is full of murderous dictators, it is not our job to oust them all.

[Vladimir Berkov]

The UN DID AUTHORIZE force by voting in Resolution 1442 Vlad. By ageeing to the resolution, it has given the US the absolute right to use force. It is the useless UN that is reneging on its own resolution. By not using force as stipulated in 1442, it is the US who would break the resolution. Something the liberal, blind, head in the ground left don't seem to understand.........

Interesting. I didn't realize we were talking about supporting a U.N. mission in Cyprus....

[Drjones]

CampX:

What do they put in your water up there?

:rolleyes:

[ZekeLuvs1911]

Vlad, with your attitude, it is a wonder why we have people like Hitler. If the French and English showed some steel backbones in 1938, we never would have had WW2. Hitler himself stated that he knew the Western Allies had no stomach for war and he was able to occupy the Rhineland militarily (which was expressively forbidden) and annex the Sudentland without a shot fired. Hitler took this as a sign of weakness and he went after Poland because of this thinking. The French and English had an army much larger than Germany's at the time and would have taken Hitler out no problem. This is what we are gonna do to Saddam now. Except this time, the US and several brave intelligent countries in the World have learned history's lesson and is prepared to call his bluff. Remember 1938? Peace in our time? (Waving useless piece of paper) Go back to history class friend.

[ZekeLuvs1911]

CampX,
I think you need to stop snorting whatever you have and maybe get out of the house every so often. :rolleyes:

[ZekeLuvs1911]

U.N. support is necessary to enforce U.N. resolutions, and act in their name.

WRONG Vlad! Remember the bombing in Serbia the US took to take that scum out of power? Was done by the US without UN support after the European powers showed their impotence in solving problems in their own backyard.

[4570Rick]

on top of 100,000 hrs.:fire:

[telewinz]

No voting on the day the war starts:D and you can't vote for Monday anymore if you haven't already guessed:)

[tyme]

Don't forget, 7pm wednesday night EST is 3am Iraq time, unless my TZ map is wrong. I voted wednesday, but I'm starting to think we might wait until the sun sets on Thursday in Iraq. There's no sense in bombing for a few hours and then giving what portion of the Iraqi forces are going to retaliate a full 10-11 hours of sunlight to fight back.

[Cadwallader]

I'd just like someone, anyone, to explain to me how this is going to prevent "another 9/11". Please.

[ZekeLuvs1911]

How does outlawing alcohol gonna prevent drunk driving? It isn't going to prevent anything. However, to do nothing will only increase the number of attacks on us. This is going to give groups and countries pause to think what would happen to them if they tried anything. If it stops just one possible attack, then it succeeds in my mind.

[Khornet]

signing on to a resolution obligates you to enforce/comply. It matters not at all to your obligation if the other signatories abandon their duty.

[M1911]

Bush has in no way earned my loyalty. He is using war for purposes that dishonor us as a people and the fighting men and women who will be in harm's way.That is your opinion and it is one that many of us do not share.

[Vladimir Berkov]

This is what we are gonna do to Saddam now. Except this time, the US and several brave intelligent countries in the World have learned history's lesson and is prepared to call his bluff. Remember 1938? Peace in our time? (Waving useless piece of paper) Go back to history class friend.

Hitler is not the issue here, and Saddam's Iraq has few similarities to 1938 Germany. In 1938, Germany was the most advanced industrial nation in Europe, with the world's foremost centers of scientific thought. Germany had the world's best military, with the best military technology coupled with excellent leadership and very well trained troops.

Germany was under no pressure from outside, and she indeed enjoyed much support from other nations and groups within their populations.

Germany was also allied with two other major world powers, Italy and Japan and had signed an axis treaty with them. And Germany would soon sign a treaty with Russia.

Fascism and nationalism was sweeping much of Europe, indeed the world, and seemed to be the "new way of things," with the old liberal democracies seeming outdated and on their last legs.

To compare such a nation with a third-world dictator in an impoverished and backward middle-eastern state with an obsolete neo-Stalinist regime, no military might, no foreign allies, which is under virtual imprisonment, is absurd.

[Vladimir Berkov]

WRONG Vlad! Remember the bombing in Serbia the US took to take that scum out of power? Was done by the US without UN support after the European powers showed their impotence in solving problems in their own backyard.

Ah yes, another good idea of Clintons. There was no valid reason for us to get involved in such a conflict, and the fact that a bad precedent exists is no reason alone to support the current Iraqi war.

[DeltaElite]

Just ignore Vlad. He thrives on the attention that he gets.
He does the same thing on other boards, most people there just ignore him.
I sure do, below is all I see of Vlads informative posts. :neener:

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[twoblink]

Vlad..

If there is another 9/11, and we find out it's from Saddam...

What will you say then?

Oh.. oops? I screwed the pooch on that one? No way, you'd be chewing on Bush and saying that he did NOTHING to prevent it from happening. I think you would double talk no matter what.

[foghornl]

Saddam & family were given 47 hours 59 minutes too long.

[Ian]

Golly, where did all these UN fans come from? Can someone explain why we're giving UN resolutions such weight now? Of you guys who are using the Gulf War resolutions as a basis for our invasion, how many would give the same weight to the resolutions of the UN Conference on Small Arms and Light Weapons (or whatever the exact name was)? The UN has absolutely zero just authority over any nation, whether it's the US or Iraq.

I'm not opposed to the war because I'm a pacifict, or because I have any overriding concern for Iraqis. I simply don't give a hoot if Saddam has NBC weapons. The worst thing anyone can say about Iraq is that its leader might have rented hotel rooms to some alleged terrorists. This is not just cause for a 250,000-man invasion. We're not being invaded by Iraq, our shipping isn't being blockaded by Iraq...Iraq isn't doing a darned thing that hurts us. Yeesh, Vietnam was fought on better grounds than this.

So we're going to invade simply because Saddam is a mean, nasty guy. He killed some Kurds, and tortured various groups of Iraqis! Well, I really don't care about them either. My money is not free for the taking by anyone who wants to go solve all the world's problems. If Bush wants to invade in his name (instead of in all 300 million Americans' names) and bankroll the operation with his money and voluntary donations, then I'll shut up. But instead he's stealing MY money for this, and getting a whole ton of Middle Easterers (rightly) pissed off at me by association.

If the Iraqis want to overthrow Saddam, then that's THEIR job, not ours. If it could happen in Russia, it can happen in Iraq when enough people want it. But a foreign invasion, foreigner-installed and -supported government, and semi-permanent foreign military presence are neither justified nor likely to even accomplish the stated goal of creating a free and peaceful Iraq.

[Ol' Badger]

I wonder if the stress is making Sadam constipated?:uhoh:

[Vladimir Berkov]

Vlad..

If there is another 9/11, and we find out it's from Saddam...

What will you say then?

Who knows, it hasn't happened yet and it is rather hard to formulate responses to hypothetical future events.

I will say this, however. The odds of an Iraqi act of terrorism or some other form of military reponse is far larger now, that we have stated our intention to invade their country, than before.

[BigG]

I notice a lot of folks are invoking Deity in this thread so on a solemn occasion like this I think we ought to join in specific prayer for an unequvocal victory. Here's one that I found very effective in time of need:


Lt. Colonel Hal Moore: Our Father in Heaven, before we go into battle, every soldier among us will approach you each in his own way. Our enemies too, according to their own understanding, will ask for protection and for victory. And so, we bow before your infinite wisdom. We offer our prayers as best we can. I pray you watch over the young men that I lead into battle. You use me as your instrument in this awful hell of war to watch over them. Especially if they're men like this one beside me, deserving of a future in your blessing and goodwill. Amen.

2nd Lieutenant Jack Geoghegan: Amen.

Lt. Colonel Hal Moore: Oh, yes, and one more thing, dear Lord, about our enemies, ignore their heathen prayers and help us blow those little bastards straight to Hell. Amen.

[Schuey2002]

Saddam has "30 hours & 45 minutes" left. :)

Tick... tick... tick... tick. The clock is running, Saddam.:D

[Joe Demko]

The war will be short and probably close to casualty-free for the US. It is the peace that I fear will be long, expensive, and bloody.

[firestar]

If there is another 9/11, and we find out it's from Saddam...

So that is the reason for attacking Iraq? We should invade Iraq because he might do a terrorist act on us? Why not invade China, N. Korea or Pakistan? Those counties are FAR more likely to commit a terrorist act on us than Iraq.

Iraq has not been proven to have any meaningful links to terrorism. Iraq has not been proven to have nuclear weapons. Iraq is not a threat the security of the U.S. but there are countries out there that are. Why are we ignoring N. Korea? They can nuke California for Christ's sake! Isn't anyone worried about that? What can Saddam do? He can use chemical weapons on or troops if we are stupid enough to get close to him, that about it. Meanwhile, Bin Laden has killed many times more Americans than Saddam and he is a free man.

I'm not against all war or against taking Saddam out but why is it more important than dealing with N. Korea? Is it because N. Korea has nukes and we are afraid of them now? If that is true them America looks like a bully picking on Iraq.

Bush is making more terrorists by his actions. American civilians are going to die in terrorist acts because in part of the things he is doing right now. We are making more and more enemies and the world is becoming less safe for Americans. How many people are going to want to travel oversees after this Iraq war?

[Matt249SAW]

Gods speed....

Good luck to all who serve now.........

Thankyou to all who have served your country before.......

The time for discussion is now over. We all need to rally behind the flag and the men and Wemon that defend it.

God Bless America

[Gewehr98]

They can nuke California for Christ's sake!

That such an act, with the delicious overtones, would finally get rid of Dianne Feinstein? Or would she survive to introduce legislation banning assault nukes?

I'd rather not give Saddam time to develop a better nuclear device, truthfully.


Of course, I could just be talking out of my sphincter. I've been awfully busy these last few months. Looking for those naughty nukes. Deployed with one of these:

http://www.londonairshow.com/photos2001/rc-135/wc-135(1).jpg

[LawDog]

Multiple threads merged.

LawDog

[M1911]

Why are we ignoring N. Korea?We're not ignoring NK. We haven't been in the middle of a 12 year military/diplomatic effort to disarm the NKs. We're currently working with our allies in the region (SK, China, and Japan), trying to build a concensus on what do about NK. The diplomatic options there have not run their course yet.

[Atticus]

It's only a bathroom break on the road to N. Korea (the second half of unfinished US business).

[telewinz]

North Korea is next on the "diplomatic" list, then Iran. I think that with all the shocking & embarrassing evidence we will soon discover about our previous"allies", their will be a great deal less "noise" at the UN. France will be humbled.

If you are in a row boat in the Red Sea you will have about a two hour advanced warning when the war will start. Thats where some of the cruise missiles will be fired and it takes over 90 minutes for them to reach targets in Iraq. Watch for the flash then turn on your TV.

[Dogsoldier]

I'd just like someone, anyone, to explain to me how this is going to prevent "another 9/11". Please.

It is called regionalism. Iraq is the biggest badest force in the region (next to Israel). We have all those Arab nations to one extent or another playing monkey shines with terrorist groups. We take Saddam down, with his army, we show the other naught nations that we will not put up with anyone stepping out of line.

Has it worked? Let's see, Iran has granted us over fly rights for damaged aircraft, and if a pilot gets in trouble and needs tobail out, he can do so with safe passage into Iran, and we can send in aircraft to retrieve downed pilots. source: NY Times;

Syria has put a muzzle on the Hezbola and Lebanon has starting to round up Islamic Yehaa (okay Jihad) members making too much noise, Source: BBC;
Wacky Kadaffi in Lybia came out and publically saying "Saddam needs to be removed from power, but America should not be the one. But Lybia will not interfere". Source Fox News.

The war may not put the terrorists out of business, but the sponsor nations may start to think twice before bank rolling a big operation again.

Also, this talk of not having the UN sanction to do this. SO WHAT? The UN has been nothing but a debating society for years now. If they were serious about anything they would havr required troops in a whole bunch of places that they just gave lip service to as the despots stacked bodies like cordwood. As far as I am concerned, pull the UN out of NY and send it to Paris were it belongs with the rest of those lilly livered, yellow jack, commie a**holes.

[telewinz]

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