[mrming]

I know I've seen them once or twice before, am curious what sort of performance one would expect out of it. I'm not looking for stellar performance, just minute of bowling pin out to 150 yards.

(am inquiring. have an sks already.. and a savage in 22/250 thats shot out and may get rebarreled soon)

[MolonLabe416]

CZ makes a very nice little carbine. You can get MOA with handloads without too much work. A couple of inches otherwise has been my experience.

[DrDremel]

I have a Ruger MKII in 7.62x39 that shoots sub MOA with any surplus i can find.

[dude]

I made a nice 'sporter' shorty in CommieX39 out of an Argientine Mauser.

FUN!!


I wish H&R would make a 'Handi-Rifle' in the cailber........... they would only sell like a million or two of them.

[mrming]

thats really what i'm thinking. if i can get 2"-3" out of surplus.. an 18 or 20" barrel and maybe a light 6x scope... could be fun.

[Sir Galahad]

I just handled the CZ 527 carbine the other day. It feels great on the shoulder! Has the detachable 5 round mag and single set adjustable trigger. The action is a scaled down Mauser action. Get the CZ. This is what you're looking for. You can get extra mags for it, too, if you like. It also has an integral scope mount base like a Ruger M77. I'm planning on one of these for myself. I already have a CZ 527 .223 and it is very accurate.

[Shooter973]

Get a copy of the latest Shotgun News. In the Shotgun News I received a couple of days ago there is an ad by Davidsons that shows a Ruger M77 Blue in this caliber,with the black synth. stock as a special from them. These rifle have been sold by them on several other occations and have sold out fairly quickly. :D

[mrming]

how much are the cz 527 running?

[Sir Galahad]

They're $470 from J&G Sales out of Shotgun News. Believe me, you'll love the CZ. The CZ could easily go for more money than it does. The set trigger alone is great. Wait til you try it!

[gconan]

Saw one @ the last gunshow for 427$. Great looking little carbine, just couldnt come up with the cash though

[firestar]

I was thinking the same thing. A nice short bbl bolt action in 7.62X39 would be real nice. How about one with a 18" bbl and Manlicher stock? It would have to be cheap, say $200.

[cheygriz]

Galahad,

Is this CZ the one on the little "Mini-Mauser" action? The action they use for the .223?

TIA

[DMK]

How about a converted Enfield?

http://www.pyramid.net/sia/

http://www.pyramid.net/sia/MVC-186S.JPG

[mrming]

not a bad idea. Need to inquire what the local gunsmiths are willing to work on. Want to keep this project to under $300 if possible...

that a sks mag your using w/ it dmk ?

[makdaddy03]

OMG!!! I have to get one of those Enfields. I have been searching every where for a 7.62x39 bolt action.

[Deadman]

There's no need to convert an old Enfield, because there's an Australian company making newly manufactured 7.62x39 Enfield carbines.

http://www.lawranceordnance.com/new/rifle-m10.html

(The Aus.$895 price tag converts to roughly U.S.$450 FYI)


I'm not sure about the availability of these new 7.62x39 No.4 carbines in the U.S., but I do recall someone spotting them at last years SHOT show. Plus these rifles are partly assembled in the U.S. so one would assume they're available somewhere.


As for mine. Mechanically it has been flawless so far, I haven't had a chance to test it for accuracy as yet, but once I do I'll post the results for those who are interested.

[D.W. Drang]

Can't help thinking this would be great with a scout scope...

[bogie]

If you're gonna rebarrel that Savage, give Sharpshooters Supply a call - Ask about a 6BR barrel. I know that they also sell .220 Russian boltfaces...

[DMK]

that a sks mag your using w/ it dmk ? That one is not mine although I do have a sporter Enfield that I'm thinking of converting.

He's using single stack Romanian AK mags for the conversion. Only 10 rounds max unfortunately.

[Deadman]

Can't help thinking this would be great with a scout scope

D.W.Drang I actually have a Leupold 2.5x scout scope mounted on my No.4 7.62x39 carbine (its manufactured to take a picattiny rail which came with the rifle), but like I said I haven't had a chance to test it yet.

[Sir Galahad]

Cheygriz, yes, it has the "mini-Mauser" action like the .223 CZ 527. (That's my .223; I have the CZ 527 and out of that barrel, .223 does remarkable things.) The "mini" action is light, fast, and smooth.

[Tamara]

The CZ is one hella nice rifle, especially at the price. The last one I saw had a nicely-figured Turkish Walnut stock that would probably cost the total price of the rifle if bought separately from a major stock maker. (BTW, if you're used to firing 7.62x39 in gas-operated 8-pound semiautos, be aware that it's actually a little thumper in a lightweight bolt-action carbine. It's no magnum, but you'll know when you've touched one off...)

On the other hand, that AK-mag-fed Enfield conversion is the coolest thing I've seen all day; talk about a conversation piece at the range! :eek:

[DAL]

Tamara, is the recoil comparable to a .30-30?
DAL

[Tamara]

Yeah, I'd say it felt about like touching off a .30-30 in a short little "Trapper"-length carbine.

[BHP9]

Some years ago the NRA did a test on a rifle in a heavy barrel configuration and the accuracy was quite phenominal. Its a very efficient case but one wonders what for. Its good for punching holes in paper but quite aenimic for hunting and certainly not a long range target round.

Fed good ammo even the light barrel bolt action sporters are accurate but if you plan on using the crudely made military surplus ammo because of price you would be a lot better off using the softer recoiling SKS or AK series of rifles because the difference in accurace is not that great and the semi-auto is for most people a lot more fun to shoot.

I am amazed that the light barrel sporters are so popular. I myself am always interested in super accurate heavy barrel rifles but have no interest in these light barrel sporters. I'll stick to the SKS for informal plinking.

[DrDremel]

If any of you are interested, I am selling mine due to belt fed fever. I need a belt fed so something has to go or my wife will kill me with it. Look on the for sale board.

[Tamara]

you would be a lot better off using the softer recoiling SKS or AK series of rifles because the difference in accurace is not that great and the semi-auto is for most people a lot more fun to shoot.

Yeah, why would anybody want a beautifully-blued and polished CZ bolt gun on a Mauser-derived action with a gorgeous hand-polished Turkish walnut stock when they could have a stamped-sheetmetal AK with a plywood stock?

...but quite aenimic for hunting...

Yet .30-30 has killed more deer than smallpox. Go figure. ;)

[BHP9]

Yet .30-30 has killed more deer than smallpox. Go figure.

True enough but it wasn't and isn't the best caliber for the job. Once the yardage exceeds 100 yards the accuarcy and power of the 30-30 puts the hunter at an exteme disadvantage as compared to other more lethal and more accurate calibers. Its far better to have a more versatile weapon thats capable of just more than close range blasting.

People have liked the 30/30 because of its light weight in a lever action carbine and its very traditional nostalgia (Grandpa had one so why shouldn't I have one also) and when it first came out it was considered a high velocity round but it was soon to be eclipised by far better cartridges that were more accurate , more powerful and they were put in packages that were just as light and handy to use.

Yes we could make a very loose comparison to the bolt gun in 7.62x39 and the completely differenent rifle mechanism the lever action 30/30 but it is a very , very loose comparison. Both cartridges are similar in power but the 7.62 does not have the traditional back woods nostalgia that the 30/30 does.

The 7.62x39 just does not make it either in tradition or in power as compared to other traditional American deer cartridges like the .270 or 30-06. And considering that the price is about the same or even less for a used .270 or 30-06 that are available in about any gun store you walk into the 7.62x39 comes in at a very distant second place as a deer cartridge.

Once again most people are not going to buy this gun for hunting but as a plinker. I guess it all depends what a person likes best, a good looking , hard kicking , small capacity, and more expensive bolt action rifle or the less expensive, higher capacity semi-auto.



And by the way the SKS is not made of sheet metal but of genuine forgings and none have plywood stocks. Hardwood stocks,yes, lamintated stocks yes but not plywood. There is a difference and those who have taken woodshop 101 are well aware of the difference. And for those who know something about AK's there are those like the Poly Tech Legend and the Valmet and the Galill that all have forged heavy duty frames.

[Tamara]

And by the way the SKS is not made of sheet metal

Where did I say it was?

People have liked the 30/30 because of its light weight in a lever action carbine

...and 7.62x39 in this light, handy bolt-action CZ carbine will do the very same job, albeit in a classier rifle.

Sure, if you're not hunting in brush or hilly forest, there are a million better calibers than .30-30 or 7.62x39 for whitetail; however, if you're hunting in heavily-forested Appalachian hill country for rottweiler-sized whitetails, either of these rounds is more than enough for the job.

[dude]

HA!

.........the 30.30 has taken several times more game than all other calibers combined!!

[Sir Galahad]

Tamara, right on!!!!!!!!:D If people don't see the reason to own a CZ over a SKS, well, it's like you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. I've seen and handled this CZ and it is a great little carbine. I've got my eye on one. I already own an AK. But a CZ! Ah! Well, those that don't buy CZ leaves more for us.

Yes, there are "better" cartridges than .30-30. But a 20mm cannon will drop deer faster than a .308, too. Doesn't make it better. I don't own a .30-30 but I wouldn't feel undergunned with one, either.

[Art Eatman]

Yeah, and what I call "thutty-thutty optimism" has wounded more animals than any other combination of gun/shooter.

On average, a rifle that isn't regularly used in practice, which usually has lousy sights and definitely isn't the flattest-shooting horse in the barn isn't the best thing to use beyond 50 to 75 yards.

What the cartridge is capable of doing has little to do with what the user accomplishes.

Art

[Sir Galahad]

Well, to be fair, bowhunting has also wounded a lot of animals but it remains a valid method of hunting. To know that .30-30 has, in fact, wounded more animals than any other caliber, we'd have to see all states' game & fish records concerning wounded animals recovered with projectile inside them.

[Art Eatman]

Sir G, my comment stems mostly from "old timers'" comments about what they've seen around various and numerous Texas deer leases. Me, I've never seen anybody show up with a thutty-thutty.

Again, ya gotta look at those sights and figure what "non-pro" hunter/shooter types do when out in the back country...

It's bits and pieces of anecdotal stuff. For instance, my uncle used to have folks come to the place to sight in their rifles. You would probably be amazed at how many would look from the bench rest to the 100-yard target and say something like, "Wow, that's what, 200 yards?" And one guy swore it was 300!

Art

[dude]

will whatever in the hell a 'thutty-thutty' is........... fit into and kill deer as well Winchester 30.30 rounds do in my Marlin?

[Sir Galahad]

I'm a .308 bolt action man myself.:D But around here, lots of folks use .30-30, particularly the older men. South of the border, "trienta-trienta" is often the only high powered cartridge anyone knows or has heard of. You can go into just about any small grocery store or gas station in backwoods areas in the southern states and they'll have .22LR, 12 gauge, and .30-30 if nothing else. This cartridge has become tatooed in the minds of lots of people (as has the 30-06.) I agree that buckhorn sights are pretty poor. But ghost rings are available for Marlin and Winchester lever actions now. To my mind, the disadvantage of the .30-30 is the limitation on factory available ammo because of the prevalance of tube magazines in this caliber. You won't see spitzer loaded cartridges for sale. Which is one reason I bought a bolt action .308 and my CZ is a .223. I like the .30-06 which is probably the singlemost greatest American rifle calber ever devised. But I also think the .30-30, within range, is effective in the hands of someone who understands its limitations. I've seen lots of deer cleanly harvested by .30-30. That said, I have a .308.

[DAL]

I didn't know deer were susceptible to smallpox.
DAL

[jimbo]

Sentimentality aside, wouldn't a .45-70 be a far better beanfield lever gun for deer hunting than the marginally-powered .30-30?