[firestar]

I had a CZ-40b which I sold to a friend and I still get to shoot it whenever I want so I am really speaking mostly about this pistol. I am impressed with the quality of workmanship on it and it and it seems like a lot of gun for the money, it has coiled wire springs and looks like it cost more to make than many other modern guns but it has problems.

The trigger is what I would call bad, esp. in SA, it has take up, creep, over travel and it quite heavy. I know it is not a target gun but it seems worse than average for this type of gun. It is really only average in terms of accuracy with loads it likes and is very inaccurate with all other loads. The rear sight comes loose all the time and the plastic paint finish is ugly and not very durable. When the finish wears, the gun looks like crap.

Am I missing something?

[CZF]

The CZ40B is the revamped Economy version of the Z-40 Police
.40. A basic no-frills attempt at marketing the Zgun as a double
action pistol for the USA market.

I don't like the Polymer cote as much as i do the blueing on my
older CZs. As for the loose rear sight. Once you get NITES that
goes away.

The 75B military and the 40B are the Least examples of CZ
craftsmanship and finish.

A 97B or 85 Combat are much better in this respect. They also
cost a bit more than the Economy class Cee-Zeds.

So do take another look at the fine line of CZ firearms.http://www.cz-usa.com

[HSMITH]

Buy a 75B and shoot it for a while, or a 97 if you have big hands.

[Pilot]

I don't have a CZ-40, but I have a CZ-75B Mil, Kadet Kit and CZ-75 PCR. Both are excellent pistols which I shoot and carry more than far more expensive pistols than I own. IMHO, I think they are still underated.

BTW, The Kadet Kit is a blast to shoot and fits on both my 75B and PCR.

[Zak Smith]

I've had mixed results with CZs and CZ-USA, which you can read in some previous threads.

After four CZ's (Compacts, 85 Combat, 75B-SA), a year and a half, and many thousands of rounds: I think the CZ is a damn good $400 pistol; I do not expect them to be as nice as a $600 pistol. They have not been as reliable as other standard "service pistols" in my experience: Glocks, BHPs, SIGs. If I want to spend $800 or more on a "nice pistol", I'll start with something other than a CZ - like a BHP or a 1911. A stock 75B/85 would be a good gun to toss in the car.

-z

[ojibweindian]

My experience with a CZ75 has been nothing but pleasant. It is an excellent pistol, regardless of cost. To answer your question, the CZ is not over-rated, but quite possibly under-rated.

[antsi]

Yes, I think CZ's are often over-rated.

And they are often under-rated, too.

Some people say they are every bit as good as any other pistol out there... to me, that's a little too strong.

Some people say they are cheap/junk... that's way too strong.

My take is that they are a very good value for the price. They seem to really shine in the reliability/function department. The triggers do not compare well to "premium" DA/SA's pistols.

From what I have seen, the 97's do seem a little more refined than the military models. But they are quite a bit more expensive, too.

[Marko Kloos]

The CZ pistols are excellent handguns at any price, and usually underrated.

I have a 75BD and a PCR, so I only have a dozen or so to go in order to have the whole set. Next on the list are a Kadet kit, a 97B, a 75SA, and an 83.

[Hakan]

I have no problems with my CZ75B in TwoTone finish...except a little holster wear on the edges of the blued slide...which I think is perfectly normal.Satin nickel frame is almost as new as the first day I got it.

On the contrary,I think they're still underrated:)

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=173355

[cratz2]

Are CZs over rated?

No... I don't think so. If you're trigger is that bad, it's the exception. Every trigger on every CZ I've ever shot is better than the trigger on my Taurus PT99 and I can do perfectly acceptable work at 25 yards with it. The two best out of the box triggers I've ever pulled with both CZs - my former IPSC Standard and a Champion. Granted, these are dedicated target/competition guns but the SA triggers are better than anything I've ever seen from Wilson or Baer.

For brand new, roughly full-size pistols, the CZs (and EAAs) are currently the best value in my opinion. Of course, I don't like poly guns much so that limits my field of contenders.

[ojibweindian]

"The triggers do not compare well to "premium" DA/SA's pistols."

:what:

I've messed around with Beretta's, S&W's, Tauri and, recently a Glock, and I have to say that the triggers were no better, or worse, than my CZ or the Ruger P95.

IMO, the only triggers that are better than the CZ or P95 are S&W revolvers in SA, or a good 1911.

[The Silver Bullet 1719]

overrated...no, underrated....yep

[PCRCCW]

Over rated...hmmmmm. My 83's, PCR's and 75's have all been as good as any gun Ive shot on a reg. basis or owned.

Out of 7 CZ's Ive had 1 gun with any problems at all. A CZ75B Compact....

Ive owned S&W's, Kahrs, Beretta's, Taurus's, Rossi's, Rugers, a Sig ......

Shot HK's, Glocks, FEG's, AMT's , Kimbers, Para O's, Springf's, bla bla bla....

IM ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO SAYS MY PCR's ARE AS GOOD AS ANY OF THEM...

Ive been the administrator on the CZForum for a while...does this make me biased...maybe so. But Ill tell you...the guns arent perfect...no gun is.

I hear plenty of things going wrong with guns all of the time...I help analyze and hopefully help a few of the CZouls with problems....

As far as the # of guns made and the relative # that has problems...especially on a consistant basis...Ill still put them up against any gun maker.......

Shoot well

[zxc]

lucked out on a NIB pre-B for 3 bills. Makes a good shot out of a doofus; its that good.

[Akurat]

If the price keeps rising they will be...Theyre going for $50-$75 more than they were just a year or two ago. When the prices rise above $400 and beyond, its no longer an inexpensive alternative...it enters the realm of Berettas, Colts, SAs, Walthers etc. I'm not saying that CZs are inferior to those mentioned, its that the price difference, which is one of CZ's primary selling points, is lost.

[caz223]

The CZ's that I own needed a lot of work to get them to shoot/handle/look as good as they should right out of the box.
Not the equal of a H&K/sig/glock, in my opinion.
Not flaming CZ's , I currently own two of them.
But once you get them worked on, they point naturally, and put holes next to each other on paper.
What more do you need?
I confess, I don't own a CZ97, PCR, or P01, but I wouldn't mind trying them out. ;)

[ojibweindian]

I fail to see the "inferiority" of the CZ75 trigger when compared to Beretta, S&W, Glock, etc. It IS somewhat inferior to a trigger on a good 1911.

Also, mine points well and puts holes right beside each other without any tweaking. And so far no bobbles in the reliability department, either.

[Prodigalshooter]

My CZ's trigger has improved since I bought it (Sept '01), very smooth now. I'd say it was normal on any DA/SA pistol or revolver for the trigger to be "stiff" or "rough" out of the box. Of course, YMMV etc.;)

[stretcharmstrong]

My 85 Combat has been a good weapon but has had some problems out of the box. Mainly, the slide was locking open w/rounds still in the magazine. I did several things to correct this and I think I have it 100% reliable now. I have had no other reliability issues other than this.

The 85 Combat, like someone else posted, wasn't as cheap as the 75B. In MD, I paid $499.00 for mine (ouch) which is about $100-$150.00 cheaper than what a Beretta 92 would sell for around here. And as far as value, I think it's worth about what I paid.

I do like the gun alot. The ergonomics are excellent and will be better when my Hakans come in. For those of you that have CZ's and have never held one w/Hakan grips on it are missing out on something great. I had the pleasure of shooting my friends 75B mil w/Hakans and all I can say is WOW. They aren't too sore on the eyes either ;) .

I think the overall feel, pointability, accuracy and above average SA trigger are what make people feel the gun is underrated. If my particular gun was more reliable out of the box and came with decent springs to begin with :cuss: I may feel the CZ's overall are underrated too.

[rauchman]

Greetings all,

I have a CZ 75SA in .40. While I really do enjoy shooting this gun, it is not as reliable as I would have hoped. It is a dedicated fun gun at the range. As it is right now, I would never consider it for any type of carry duty. I find it to be exceptionally accurate and I love the trigger, however it is the only pistol that I've owned (other pistols Sig 226, 225, HK USP 45F, Beretta 92FS & 96 Centurian, Glock 22, Browning HP) that has ever had a Failure To Extract and Failure to Eject. I think with some work it would be fine, but not as it is out of the box. Do I think it worth $425 for the gun...yes. Is it in the same level as some of the others arms mentioned.....no.

[MoNsTeR]

No, but they're getting there. As we covered in the "CZ Triggers" thread, CZ triggers are ***-tastic. But the fact that you can get two CZs for the price of one SIG or H&K counts for a lot. It seems though that zeal for these guns low price tags is causing some fans to disregard their shortcomings entirely, rather than simply view them in proper perspective. I still feel the 75B is a good value and would feel comfortable trusting my life to it.

[JG]

My CZ85 Combat rocks, but then again its not "that" cheap of a gun...they are close to $5 bills now for the Polymer coat.

[Chris Rhines]

I've owned four CZ pistols (one -75b, one transtional -75a, and two PCRs.) I've never had a single malfunction in any save for the -75b, which had a few FTEs during the first 500 or so rounds. No malfunctions at all in the last thousand or so rounds.

Triggers vary; the PCRs were very good out of the box, the -75b was okay out of the box and cleaned up nicely with some minor polishing, and my pre-B is very good SA and so-so DA. I carry Condition 1, so I've never done anything about it. All of the triggers were servicable and compared favorably to other common hi-cap DA pistols.

CZs aren't the be-all-end-all of a fighting handgun, but all mine have been good shooters at bargain prices. I've recommend CZs to several friends.

- Chris

[firestar]

It seems though that zeal for these guns low price tags is causing some fans to disregard their shortcomings entirely, rather than simply view them in proper perspective.

I think that is what I mean. It seems as if people are comparing them to Beretta and Sig and trying to say that they just as good. I don't buy it. I have owned most of the major gun company's pistols (not a H&K) and I can't call the CZs a bargin, they are priced about what they are worth. They cost half what a SIG costs because they are half as good. I am not slamming the CZs, I just think the hype may have over stepped the reality of what the pistol really is.

I don't claim to speak from experience and I am not trying to cut down the CZs, I am just trying to figure out if I should give them a closer look and maybe buy one of the CZ-85s or CZ-75 SAs.

Like I said, the only modern CZ pistol I have owned or shot is the CZ-40B. I love the grip, reliability, sight picture, feel and the way it points but I hate the trigger, the loose rear sight all the time, and the trigger and the trigger. Did I mention the trigger? I would say that it is worth the $289 I paid for it but not much more. There are just too many better used guns on the market for me to consider this a good deal.

I have a CZ-452 and think it is a work of art so I want to like the CZ pistols.

[dan_s]

I looked at a CZ75 sometime back and thought the trigger was very poor quality. Seemd not to be up to the overall fit and finish of the rest of the gun..

[firestar]

The more I think about it, the more I realize it is mostly the triggers that bother me. The triggers and the sights. I guess these are the first things you customize anyway if you a really accurate gun.

I guess the CZ-75s seem to be accurate judging by what people say about them. I have been extremly dissapointed with the accuracy of the CZ-40 but it is not a CZ-75.

[Baron Holbach]

No, CZs are underrated. I became a convert when my CZ 83 nearly matched the accuracy of my Kimber .38 super.

[Walt Sherrill]

Poor accuracy with the CZ-40B?

While I'm not a big fan of the CZ-40B, that was not a problem I had with mine... And most folks I know who have them rave about their accuracy.

What ammo are you using?
Most folks seem to feel that 165 gr rounds give a little better accuracy. Mine seemed to like 180 gr.

(And I argue that the best way to improve accuarcy is to work on slide/frame fit. Then get a more civilized trigger. Sights are nice, but they are more a "psychology" issue than an accuracy issue. And the 40B sights are really pretty good -- sort of like Novaks.)

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Amended 3/18.

Whoa! I wrote slide-to-frame fit, above, but meant barrel-to-slide fit. Dumb. Sean comments below. He's totally correct.

Slide to frame fit is of passing interest to some historian, and is critical if you're using a Ransom rest to test your gun, but otherwise of little value. (That was Sean's point.) Can't use a Ransom rest with most polymer framed guns, for example, but they can still be very accurate.

[firestar]

I have used many types of 180 grain .40. I will try to find some lighter stuff to shoot. I have heard 155 grain is good. I did shoot some decent groups with some UMC ammo but I can't remember the bullet weight. Even so, the groups were only average for a combat pistol nothing special.

[Sean Smith]

Out in the real world, they are radically UNDERrated. Gun forums are a different story.

[Sean Smith]

And I argue that the best way to improve accuarcy is to work on slide/frame fit.

Sorry, but the connection between slide-to-frame fit and accuracy is largely mythical. Barrel quality and barrel-to-slide fit are vastly more important.

[dairycreek]

A CZ83, a 85 Combat, and a 97BD. Each has been highly reliable (never had a FTF or anything like that), has been more than reasonably accurate, and has, overall, performed flawlessly. I can't say anything else. Good shooting;)

[PCRCCW]

Interesting thread thus far....hmmmmm

"It seems as if people are comparing them to Beretta and Sig and trying to say that they just as good. I don't buy it. I have owned most of the major gun company's pistols (not a H&K) and I can't call the CZs a bargin, they are priced about what they are worth. They cost half what a SIG costs because they are half as good."

Experience is gained and opinions made, by peoples guns performance or lack of it...
One gun that was bad in alot of ways...is a real bitch. Given your limited exposure to CZ's and its problematic history...I may have your same POV. Typically the CZ40B is regarded as a very good gun...nominated for Buns and Wammo's gun of the year...OhhhhAhhhh and seriously, it deserved the nomination......

As far as being worth 1/2 what a Sig is...NOT A CHANCE IN HELL!!!!! :evil:

Firestar...nothing personal, but you had a very bad first impression and thats a shame. My second CZ gave me fits...took a while to work the bugs out...but the other 6 Ive had, havent been flawless because I went to church as a KID either.

Take the SWORN Sigophile...still work with him..shoots a 239, 229, 220 and 2340..(he sorta likes his Sigs :rolleyes: ) The first time he shot my PCR (stock except nights) he just looked puzzled as he shot the black out of the target.
His comments about the gun are typical everyone who sees/shoots them...I CANNOT BELIEVE THATS A $425 GUN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I shoot with guys that have shot longer than I am old and can fill a small Dept store with there gun collections....there comments dont change alot about the CZ's.

My first CZ83, a blued .380 shot 1.900"
from a fixed rest at 25 yds with 5 rnds of Silvertips and with 7 kinds of ammo never broke out of 2.750" for a 5 rnd string. Many guys with higher end 1911's, Sigs, Beretta's etc...all commented on the little gun that night...most wanted to fondle it, shoot it and all were impressed that the gun was the 3rd most accurate gun that night...finishing behind a high end 1911 and a Sig 220. ...but there was a full moon that night :D

Ill stand by my " My cz's are every bit as good as other high end guns in every way...in some ways even better" , Point of View.....

Shoot well :what:

[Walt Sherrill]

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And I argue that the best way to improve accuarcy is to work on slide/frame fit.
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Sorry, but the connection between slide-to-frame fit and accuracy is largely mythical. Barrel quality and barrel-to-slide fit are vastly more important.

You're right. I totally agree. Had a brain fart when I meant to write Slide-to-barrel fit. (NO reason to comment, otherwise.)

See what happens when you respond in a hurry?

[firestar]

I'm not in any way against CZs. I have owned four of them (CZ-452, CZ-52, CZ-70 and CZ-40) but only one was a modern ceterfire defensive pistol and that is the one that I was questioning. Was my experience a fluke or are CZ-40s on the shabby side of the CZ line of pistols?

I can't buy a CZ-75 or CZ-85 because of the long DA trigger reach (I don't have E.T. fingers) but I like the idea of the CZ-75SA. I want to give them another chance but I don't want to get burned. Should I just buy a Browning Hi Power?

People seem to love their CZs so it must just be me. I got a dud, it happens to all makers I guess.

[caz223]

If the question is should I buy a cz97, cz75b, cz100, pcr or P01, the answer is yes.
Those are the better pistols of current manufacture.
Look at a new PCR, P01, or cz75 compact.
The improvement in fit/finish in the last few years alone should tell you something.
If the model you look at allows condition one carry, your trigger concerns are laid to rest.

[Walt Sherrill]

My earlier screw-up behind me...

I've got an 85 Combat and a pre-B 75; I've had a 75B (which really got me interested in the 85 Combat), and a CZ-40B.

I didn't like the CZ-40B as much as the 75B, as it just didn't fit my hand as well -- being like a WIDE 1911.

Mine was very accurate. It had a relatively heavy double-action trigger, but the SA was fine and crisp. I traded it away, and the guy who has it now raved about it and said he was going to get a 75B, too. (I told the DA trigger was heavy; he thought I was nuts.)

If someone doesn't like the long DA pull of the 75B line (and I include the 40B in that group -- as it is a 75B except for grip angle), then they can always carry and shoot "cocked and locked." Then the long DA pull never enters into it.

My 75B and 40B were nicely finished guns. Not quite as nice as a Beretta or a SIG in the non-visible areas (like inside the slide, etc.) but those areas don't really add to good function, etc.

My 85 combat and pre-B 75 (essentially the 75B without the firing pin block that gives it the "b" designation) shoots right with my Browning HP. The HP may be a bit smaller, but it doesn't point as naturally. The BHP was made in '63 and its a fine gun.

I'm in the process of getting a 97B which, by all accounts, it the best made CZ, short of the "Champion" and IPSC guns, which are a couple of steps up (in price, too.)

I don't have a 75SA, but may get one some day. But by all accounts the triggers are much nicer, even though they still have the firing pin block.

Every company will build a lemon from time to time. Maybe you got one of those.

[WESHOOT2]

No.

[Pilot]

Firestar wrote:

"I can't buy a CZ-75 or CZ-85 because of the long DA trigger reach (I don't have E.T. fingers) but I like the idea of the CZ-75SA. I want to give them another chance but I don't want to get burned. Should I just buy a Browning Hi Power?"

You can't go wrong with either the CZ-75SA or BHP. They are both excellent. If money is not an issue, I would lean slightly towards the BHP.

[mbott]

For grins from the CZ-USA website:

CZ P-01 gets NATO approval. The next Generation of perfect pistols.
For Immediate Release

Contact: Alice Poluchova, CZ-USA
(913) 321-1811
(913) 321-4901

The P-01 is now a NATO classified pistol and issued the NATO stock number NSN 1005-16-000-8619.

The CZ P-01 is the culmination of several years of exhaustive design and testing. Ceska Zbrojovka has always had some of the most rigorous testing requirements in the world but, the Czech National police has required that they go even further, the testing regiment for this new pistol was the most demanding anyone has ever encountered. There are almost 20 specific requirements covering everything from accuracy to interchangability, from safety to reliability/durability and everything in between.

The pistol: The CZ P-01 is a Gen 3 pistol that began as a requirement for a lightweight compact pistol that will deliver the accuracy and durability of a full size, full weight pistol. This was no small task, several manufacturers declined to even start the project.

The first thing you notice about this pistol is the M3 light rail on the frame, a first for CZ, the alloy frame is a little wider at the top than a steel CZ 75. This adds strength and rigidity for mounting the light and increasing the accuracy and service life of the pistol. The P-01 also sports enhanced controls as well as a drop free magazine and a lanyard loop.

The pistol was required to pass a wide variety of tests:

The police required that the pistol ensure the highest level of comfort, an extended slide release was added as well as an extended magazine release and the trigger was reshaped to give a more consistent pull throughout the trigger stroke.

The pistol must be 100% reliable in extreme conditions, the following is a list of some of the minimum requirements.

Must be able to complete the following without failure:

4000 dry firings
3000 De-cockings
Operator level disassembly 1350 times with out ware or damage to components.
Complete disassembly 150 times, this is all the way down, pins, springs etc.
100% interchangability, any number of pistols randomly selected, disassembled, parts mixed and reassembled with no failures of any kind including loss of accuracy.


Safety requirements:

Drop test
1.5 meter (4.9”) drop test, this is done 54 times with the pistol loaded (blank) and the hammer cocked. Dropping the pistol on the butt, the muzzle, back of the slide, sides of the gun, top of the slide, in essence, any angle that you could drop the gun from. This is done on concrete and 0 failures are allowed! A failure is the gun firing.

3meter drop (9.8”) 5 times with the pistol loaded (blank) and the hammer cocked, This is done on concrete and 0 failures are allowed! A failure is the gun firing.

After these tests are complete the gun must fire without service.

The factory contracted an independent lab to do additional testing on guns that previously passed the drop tests. These pistol were dropped an additional 352 times without failure.

The pistol must also complete an environmental conditions test:
This means cold, heat, dust/sand and mud.
The pistol must fire after being frozen for 24 hours at –35C (-36F).
The pistol must fire after being heated for 24 hours at 70C (126F)
The pistol must fire after being submerged in mud, sand and combinations including being stripped of oil then completing the sand and mud tests again.

Service life:
The service life requirement from the Czech police was 15,000 rounds of +P ammo!
The pistol will exceed 30,000 rounds with ball 9mm.

Reliability:
The reliability requirements for the P-01 pistol are 99.8%, that’s a .2% failure rate.
This equals 20 stoppages in 10,000 rounds or 500 “Mean Rounds Between Failure” (MRBF)
During testing, the average number of stoppages was only 7 per 15,000 rounds fired, this is a .05% failure rate, a MRBF rate of 2142 rounds! Over 4 time the minimum acceptable requirement.
The U.S. Army MRBF requirement is 495 rounds for 9mm pistols with 115 grain Ball ammunition.

Heritage:
The P-01 is based on the CZ 75, the most used pistol in the world. Over 60 countries use it as the standard side arm of their Armies, National police forces, National security agencies or other Law enforcement organizations. No other pistol can make this claim.

[lazhuward]

I just have one CZ: a 40B. The only complaint I have with it is the trigger.

The double action pull is fine, albeit a little long. Single action isn't horrible, but it's not great; there's gritty creep to it and some overtravel. The creep is starting to get smoother with use, which is nice. Overtravel is just annoying.

It seems like the triggers for the 40B might not be very consistent from gun to gun.

Overall though, I like the gun and think that CZ offers a good value and a neat line of products. There are a couple of other CZs that I'm thinking about buying in the future.

[BevrFevr]

I was trying to put off buying a P01, but nooooooo! You had to post all that information.

How am I ever going to save up any money if I keep hanging out on these forums?

:banghead:

Now I'm gonna have to put off the CZ83 I was gonna get with my tax refund (grateful for the tax break). Dammit! And I hate decockers too but I can't resist after reading that post.

I hope my 75 doesn't get jealous. Hey maybe I can sell off some body parts and get both.

-bevr

[Erik]

Under? Yes.

Over? No.

[7677]

I can say this I would not trade my CZ85 for any Sig, Glock or H&K out there. I bought my Cz85 in 1990 and it has been going strong ever since. It has one of the finest trigger out there and I have yet to find on any other pistol. I have owned a Sig 226, Glock 19, 31 & 33 and shot all the H&K's and I have to say that each have their strengths but I'd have to say that My Cz85 is on par with any Sig, Glock or H&K out there.

[ojibweindian]

7677

I feel the same way about my CZ75.

[Peter M. Eick]

I was quite impressed with my 97b. I think that the CZ's are very under rated. All steel reasonable fit. Excellent polish. Good accuracy and very reliable. What more do you want (they are cheap too!)

[Nightcrawler]

I love my CZ-97B. Took some breaking in, but it's tough as nails, is very reliable (with ammo it likes), and is more accurate than I am. It's beefy, too, and easily swallowed a box of Triton .450SMC.

[oogee]

Not very long ago my service pistol (I.D.F) was a P-228.

Now as a civilian I carry a CZ-P01 and it is a very good pistol, I wouldn't pay the difference between it and the SIG.
As a “combat pistol” for self defense use it’s much better than a FN35 or a S&W DA autoloaders.

[mbott]

BevrFevr

Sorry 'bout that, Chief.

--
Mike

[Rally Vincent]

No Sig, Beretta,Colt, Whatever is gonna replace my CZ-75.

I own a Sig P226 and a Beretta M92F/S along with a Colt series 70 and some other pistols.

As far as the "9mm battles" go, I have found my CZ to be overly more accurate and reliable than others in my collection.

Don't get me wrong here.....I love all my pistols....But I just love my CZ more.

lol

[goon]

Just got reacquainted with mine yesterday.
I would say that my CZ is the best $400 that I have ever spent.
I generally buy about a gun a month, and I trade or sell many off to get others.
It is an addiction.
But the CZ is one of the ones that they can have when they "pry it from my cold, dead fingers".

[TreeSquid]

*Blink, blink* .... Half as good as a SIG?! AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHAAHHAHAHAHA!%^@$@##$... I wish more people felt that way, then the people who have a clue about CZ's wouldn't have to pay as much! :)

Sounds a little like: "I used a Kimber Pro Carry before, and it was a lemon. All Kimbers are crap." Based on what you've said, you shouldn't even HAVE to ask if you should give them another look. No matter what you're examining, the first lesson is "check multiple examples to examine consistency." You've used one gun that apparently didn't work well for you. Try another.

Personally, I'd put my PCR/P-01 hybrid up against any compact 9mm SIG. I plan on getting a purebred P-01 eventually, too, once my financial situation climbs out of the toilet, though though I prefer the novak-style sights and loaded chamber indicator of the PCR slide, both absent on the P-01. The sights won't be an issue for too long, though, as I plan on getting some good night sights anyway.

[CZSteve]

I have a CZ40B purchased for $275.00 locally.
Have been very pleased.

Agree that the the DA pull is a bit long; but, have begun keeping at half-cock (please provide opinions regarding this... Like the easier pull than full DA, but more deliberate than SA if ever needed as a SD reaction to a threat)
The half-cock concept has been discussed lateley on www.czforum.com after Mike at CZ-USA has supposedly informed another member that this poses no undo concern regarding wear.

Really like the SA pull. Can detect a slight grit if I pull through VERY slowly and concentrate on detecting the grit - don't notice at all under normal circustances.
Overtravel is all but zero. Lazhuward mentioned he has too much overtravel, not a problem at all w/ mine.
Guy at range w/ a Kimber UCII very impressed w/ SA on my gun.

Only point of contention I have is that the stock recoil spring is probably too light; $8.00 18#er from Wolff has solved that problem.

$275.00 + $8.00 + Reliable + Accurate = :)

[Hamonrye]

I was concerned also. I have read and heard different views and then I spoke with a very good gunsmith and he said they were very well built and should last a lifetime so I bought a CZ40b and I love it.http://home.attbi.com/~gvisions/CZ40small.jpg