[griz]

Here is the story:

http://www.gazette.com/display.php?id=1307547

Five buffalo got loose and the police ended up shooting them with "semi auto rifles". The article quotes the officers as saying they waited until the buf were within 30 feet before firing, yet they still hit houses and cars. I hope there is some sort of misunderstanding here. But of course I have never been charged by a buffalo.

[Vern Humphrey]

These guys should be restricted to dart guns with rubber suction cups.

[Zundfolge]

Happened a couple of blocks from where Justin and I work.


Here's video of the shooting. http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/1561987.html


After seeing it I don't regret selling my AR-15 :neener:


Anyway, dumping approx 120 rounds into 5 buffalo ... a house and a car ... in a crowded neighborhood with children present ... bad judgement call from the popo IMNSHO :mad:

[Justin]

Yeah, but what they didn't report was that these were special killer buffalo.

With active camouflage, ya know, all like in Predator (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093773/) .

Yeah, that's the ticket...

[Vern Humphrey]

A pride of five African lions were spotted roaming the woods just outside of Quitman, Arkansas (not far from where I live.) The local sheriff dispatched them all with five shots from an M1A1.

Of course, in the process, he lost the next election -- "Yew kilt all five of them lions and didn't leave none for nobody else? See iffn' I ever vote fer YEW agin!" :p

[PrudentGT]

"Assault weapons have gotten a lot of bad press lately, but what people don't understand is that they're necessary for today's SUPER ANIMALS, like the *flying* squirrel, the *electric* eel..." and now active camouflage buffalo...

Okay, edited after watching the vid to add that that's just sad. Didn't look like they were really going anywhere. "look out, they're *grazing*!!! Aieee!" Looks less like they wanted to put them down humanely than have some live target practice.

[JonnyB]

Vern Humphrey:

Isn't an M1A1 an Abrams tank? I'd think that one round of HE would'a been sufficient for the lions.

JB

[Justin]

Here's video of the shooting. http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/1561987.html

What, you aren't going to post a link to the video on KRDO's website?

HAHAHAHA, I kill me.

[ny32182]

Ouch...

They couldn't find any tranquilizers, nor any SWAT guys with at least .308 bolt guns? Would have been better than .223 at least...

[Zundfolge]

KRDO can afford to put video on their web site?

[Justin]

Heck yes.

But their chief engineer (who at the time was also in charge of web presence and the network admin's boss) is of the opinion that

the internet is a passing fad.

I kid you not.

[Zundfolge]

Also, I imagine that KRDO is concerned that people will figure out the buffalo shootin was their fault ... much like the OCC fire :p


Okay ... enough inside humor for one day ... people are getting confused :neener:

[waterhouse]

There's a buffalo farm in jersey. Serious fences around the fields (no namby pamby barbed wire). They sink what look like telephone poles into the ground, an then string big cables for the fence, it looks like something out of jurasic park. My brother was there with his family once and said one of the males charged the fence when someone's phone rang. He said a charging buffalo was pretty much one of the most terrifying things he'd ever seen. Although I'm certainly a believer in "using enough gun" sometimes you have to use what you've got.

waterhouse

[Larry Ashcraft]

Okay ... enough inside humor for one day ... people are getting confused
Not me. :p

[itgoesboom]

Looks like one of them was using a lever action, not an AR. Wonder if it was .30/30 or .357 or .44 mag. Should have been a 45/70 instead.

I.G.B.

[Vern Humphrey]

Isn't an M1A1 an Abrams tank? I'd think that one round of HE would'a been sufficient for the lions.


What, y'all don't hunt with tanks where you live? Must be one a them Yankee states!:p

That was a typo -- meant M1A, civilian version of the M14. :D

[griz]

When I read the article I made the mistake of assuming they used AR's. After watching the spliced together clip, it is clear the guy who was actually hitting the buf (ran in front of the buf, shirt tail out) is using something else. Is it a plain ol shotgun?

That aside, there is a lot the clip doesn't show. For instance that wasn't 100 rounds fired, and you can't tell what was going on just before the fireworks.

[pete f]

I just marvel at the idea that we are supposed to trust our safety to moron such as this, did any of them have a shotty with slugs?

I would think to they were probably using black hills reloads with 52 grain SXT or TNT varmint bullets, There was a reason those old buffalo hunters used 50 120 sharps, or 45 70's big beast, big bullet makes sense to me.

[flatdog]

This one ranks right up there with the Lion Charge video. Plus it looks like they threw in a car or two for good measure. :banghead:

[bad LT]

like has been said before:
Shotguns with slugs could have ended the situation with fewer shots and thus less risk to the public.

[Red Tornado]

That was awful! :cuss: Why didn't they just use .22 LR, it would have been even more inhumane. As has been said many, many times on this forum, use enough gun to insure a humane kill. :banghead:

[Vern Humphrey]

like has been said before:
Shotguns with slugs could have ended the situation with fewer shots and thus less risk to the public.

That assumes, of course, that those bozos could have hit what they were aiming at -- or even that they were aiming a all.

[Mulliga]

You know, with videos like this and the Compton shootout, I might be starting to lose my faith in the police... :evil:

Seriously, who takes on a bison with an AR? It's a bit scary that these guys have no idea what their carbines can and can't do. Maybe they're watching too many movies where "assault weapons" blow up cars and punch guys through windows. :rolleyes:

[Zundfolge]

When I read the article I made the mistake of assuming they used AR's. After watching the spliced together clip, it is clear the guy who was actually hitting the buf (ran in front of the buf, shirt tail out) is using something else. Is it a plain ol shotgun?
That guy was an employee of the meat packing plant. Not sure what he was shooting. I suspect its a shotgun.


In other clips I've seen from the incident, they show piles of .223 shell casings on the ground and the officers are walking around with AR15s.

[LaEscopeta]

We had nine loose bison around here (Baltimore MD) a few of weeks ago. Yes, urban Baltimore had bison on the loose, and it was during morning rush hour. Our county cops gained respect from me when they realized quickly these were farm raised bison, basically cattle with more fur. They put away their firearms, shut down a few roads, herded the bison into a fenced in tennis court, and opened the roads again.
Things were going fine until they tried to herd them into a cattle truck to drive them back to their farm. Apparently the bison didn’t like the looks of the trailer.

Links, including photos and video clips below:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-buffalo0426,1,6178670.story?coll=bal-local-headlines

http://www.nbc5i.com/irresistible/4416374/detail.html

http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=6&sid=200763

[Cosmoline]

By the time the shooting stopped about 1:15 p.m., as many as 120 rounds had been fired, a few of which hit the empty houses and a nearby parked car.

Good grief, what a display of ineptitude! I'm glad our LEO's are a lot more mature in their response to wildlife. I wonder what these yahoos would do in Anchorage. Shoot up the hillside trying to kill any moose that dares to walk down a street? Their bullets posed far, far more risk to life and limb than some livestock bison ever would. If left alone the big guys would just eat and wander around a bit. They're hardly monsters.

[g56]

People were outraged when they were killed? They were being unloaded at a meat packing plant!!!!! Did the "public" think they were just going to take pictures of them at the packing plant? :uhoh:

In the video the first buff was charging at them when they started shooting, people don't seem to understand they are very dangerous animals, one of those things hits you it can easily kill you, those buffs are like a tank. At Yellowstone they show a movie to inform the tourists, they show a buff toss a dumb tourist who got too close about 15 feet in the air, those are wild buffs, but even farm raised buffs aren't tame by any means.

[STW]

A hundred some odd years ago some folks were trying to round up the last of the American Bison so they could put them to work making little bison and save the species. They got them all nicely corralled and tried loading them in standard stock cars. The first bull up the ramp trotted into the car and through the back side wall. It took a major rework of the equipment.

About the same time a guy thought he'd make some money by staging fights in Mexico between fighting bulls and bison. The first fight featured a long charge by the bull met by a bison that simply set itself for the impact. The bull went down. A later fight featuring the same bull (to save money I expect), resulted in the bull trying to climb out of the ring once he spotted the bison.

They are one tough critter. (And bigger then you can imagine when you get up close to one.)

[VARifleman]

Seriously, who takes on a bison with an AR?
I would... :neener:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/TAKnight/.jpg

LINK TO PICTURE (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/TAKnight/.jpg)

[XLMiguel]

I wasn't there, don't know the details, but on the surface, it looks pretty sorry. Buffalo are big and tough, and maybe under the circumstances, I guess you've got to make do, but still, IMO, a pretty sorry incident. :scrutiny:

[MassHunter2190]

Well, if that's really all they could get there hands on, (which is hard to believe), it's better than letting them get loose and start trampling people in the streets. But the least they couldv'e done was put another shot in their heads as they were flopping around on the ground suffering.

P.S- What is it with cops and their aim lately?

[115grfmj]

the .223 isn't more widely used as a big game cartridge. :eek: When ya
gotta reload your AR's mag to put ONE down, theres a problem. :uhoh:

[akviper]

Some pretty savvy folks that used to live on the plains killed those beasts with little old arrowheads (and sometimes large cliffs, too bad there wasn't a cliff nearby.) Maybe if the shooters only had bows and arrows. It sounds like more than cops were shooting. How do you know who loosed the stray rounds? All in all, I would have to suggest maybe a little more thought and planning could have prevented this "bison rope".

[taliv]

would be pretty humorous to get a bow and arrow and paint them coyote tan, and put a red dot and 3-point sling on them and send it to that PD as a gag.

[TheDutchman]

Why did they have to shoot them again? I am kindy lost why they did not load them into a trailer.

[Vern Humphrey]

Because they are a bunch of wet-pants city boys who don't know beans about livestock -- and can't shoot very straight, either.

[akviper]

P.S., they weren't complying with the orders from L.E and they were armed with sharp pointy things on their heads and feet.

[Vern Humphrey]

P.S., they weren't complying with the orders from L.E and they were armed with sharp pointy things on their heads and feet.

Maybe now they'll have an affirmative action plan to hire officers who can speak Basic Buffalo. :D

[Joe Meyer]

http://www.huntingfootage.com/showphoto.php?photo=1377 <----This is how you should do it.

[Cosmoline]

People were outraged when they were killed? They were being unloaded at a meat packing plant!!!!! Did the "public" think they were just going to take pictures of them at the packing plant?

The bison weren't posing a threat to anyone. If someone with half a brain had been there they could have been herded back to the plant for proper slaughter. Instead these idiots sprayed bullets all over the neighborhood and utterly failed to make a clean kill. A wounded bison is indeed dangerous. Their actions therefore INCREASED the risk. Indeed if a civilian had sprayed a neighborhood with bullets they'd be looking a ten years hard time.

FYI, you should not rely on the National Park Service for realistic information about wildlife. They're the same jackbooted fools who encourage people to watch bears at point blank range up here. Farm raised bison pose about the same level of threat as a brahmin bull. You don't want to anger one, but they're primarily interested in eating and mating, then eating some more. They can be herded.

[Vern Humphrey]

The bison weren't posing a threat to anyone. If someone with half a brain had been there they could have been herded back to the plant for proper slaughter. Instead these idiots sprayed bullets all over the neighborhood and utterly failed to make a clean kill.

Like I said, a bunch of wet-pants city boys, with no idea of how to handle livestock. This incident ought to result in some real soul-searching in that department.

[55 gr sx]

My dad say when he worked at a packing plant they used a single shot 22lr and it drops em like rock . ITs quite so it dosnt spoke them
PS I dont think they shot them in the ass

[Dave R]

...and there are all manner of ranches just about 100 miles north, near Cheyenne. If they'd have put out a call for ranch hands, they could have herded the buffs anywhere they need to go.

[Sunray]

"...they still hit houses and cars..." Not surprising. The days of most cops being good shots are long over. Most of 'em had never seen a real firearm prior to getting the job. A degree is more important than anything else.
"...used a single shot 22lr and it drops em like rock..." Yep. So do cattle if you put it behind the ear. A buffalo running about is a different thing. A .223 would just annoy it.